Do I Have To Give Up My Oz Citizenship?

[cindyjacobs]

hey, guys!!

My question will be quick and short. ..

I've been in the kingdom aprox one year now.

I have both thai and oz citizenship.

my question is, will I have to give up my oz citizenship if I plan to stay here for a long duration of time?

[mussen]

No.

[Mario2008]

As said no. Both Australia and Thailand allow dual nationality.

[ljerams]

As said no. Both Australia and Thailand allow dual nationality.

But it may depend on where you were born? My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long. He had to return

to Oz quickly to keep it.

[samran]

As said no. Both Australia and Thailand allow dual nationality.

But it may depend on where you were born? My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long. He had to return

to Oz quickly to keep it.

That would be highly unlikely, as once granted to naturalized citizens, Australian citizenship can only be revoked in very limited circumstances (ie if shown to be acquired under fraudulent circumstances).

Australian citizenship can never be taken away from someone who was born with it, unless the person voluntary renounces it and does not become stateless in the process.

Suggest your friend was talking about Australian permanent residency, which can lapse if you move away from Australia for too long.

[ljerams]

It was a long time ago but I remember he had to give up his overseas job with an Oz Contractor and get back to Oz rapidly. He intended to become an Oz Citizen so perhaps this was part of process?

What bemused me was that he had a job with an Oz Contractor for whom he had worked for many years and had to resign to comply with some other over riding rule.

Ah well, back on topic.

[Soutpeel]

As said no. Both Australia and Thailand allow dual nationality.

But it may depend on where you were born? My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long. He had to return

to Oz quickly to keep it.

Impossible, if the person is an Oz citizen it cannot be taken from him because he has been out the country too long.

In all probability you friend is a permanent resident of Oz and yes as a permanent resident of certain countries you can loose your PR if out the country for too long, eg some countries its 3 years, others 5 years

[TerryLH]

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

[ljerams]

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

Pedant,

It must great to be perfect

[xen]

I am not too sure that you can have dual citizenship of both Aus and Thailand in that when my wife became an Aus citizen we were told that she apparently lost her Thai citizenship. Most Thais, however that do become Australian citizens keep their Thai Passports and id cards updated and nobody knows any difference (in theory anyway) . Maybe this is just a myth that circulates amongst the Thai community in Sydney .

[lopburi3]

It is a myth. Unless you are talking many years ago and it is easy to regain in that case.

[samran]

Up until 1992 it was the case that citizenship was lost when marrying a foreign male.

That law was repealed in 1992 after which point Thai citizenship was automatically restored to those who had formerly lost it. No need to 'reapply' for it, simply need to get updated documentation That authorities.

[doggie888888]

You may not lose your Oz citizenship by being away but you do get deleted off the electoral rolls and your Medicare card will not be renewed, if you are a non-resident after a few years!

[xen]

Up until 1992 it was the case that citizenship was lost when marrying a foreign male.

That law was repealed in 1992 after which point Thai citizenship was automatically restored to those who had formerly lost it. No need to 'reapply' for it, simply need to get updated documentation That authorities.

I was married in 1986 and it was the case then . Good to know that law was repealed - That was 20 years ago !!!!!!!!

[samran]

You may not lose your Oz citizenship by being away but you do get deleted off the electoral rolls and your Medicare card will not be renewed, if you are a non-resident after a few years!

neither of which are irreversible if you ever move back to Australia. A quick visit to the Medicare office and you are back on the books.

I've managed to be an overseas elector for about 10 years. The only catch is that you HAVE to vote in every election, otherwise they do take you off the electoral rolls.

[TerryLH]

"Pedant,

It must great to be perfect"

If only you knew...

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

Two opposing ideas/posts, separated by a post saying the first one was incorrect.

Sorry if it offended you that your inconsistency was pointed out.

Didn't mean for any of your body parts to go missing.

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OP, I'd go with samran on this.

[zorro1]

You wont lose your citizenship but you may be declared a non resident after 2 years. This is particularly important if you intend on applying for the pension or disability pension.

medicare wipe you after 3 years and you wont get a replacement card on the spot but will have to prove your a resident first.

[samran]

"Pedant,

It must great to be perfect"

If only you knew...

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

Two opposing ideas/posts, separated by a post saying the first one was incorrect.

Sorry if it offended you that your inconsistency was pointed out.

Didn't mean for any of your body parts to go missing.

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OP, I'd go with samran on this.

*SIGH*

If only everyone listened to me, and let me rule the world, everyone would be much happier.

[cindyjacobs]

from reading the previous posts above I assume I will be fine. I've been stressing about this for the past few days. Now I can sit back, relax and enjoy my time here in the kingdom. What came about me to inquire about this question. I know a lady that just recently moved from the states 3mnths ago to live in the kingdom. She had both, american/thai citizenship. She told me that the 'American Embassy' said to her that, if she wanted to keep her US pp she would have to continue on a thai visa, once every year extending it otherwise she would lose it...

[lopburi3]

I am very sure no American Embassy official ever said any such thing. I suspect if she entered on a US passport she might have been advised one year extensions of stay were available and would be required to keep her from being overstay if she did not intend to leave.

[Daewoo]

Ljerames,

As a foreign national you do/can loose your long term (457) skilled workers visa if you are out of the country for 90 days in a 12 month period or something like that.

I am guessing that is what your mate experienced. Once you are a citizen we can't get rid of you if we wanted to.

Cheers,

Daewoo

[ljerams]

"Pedant,

It must great to be perfect"

If only you knew...

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

Two opposing ideas/posts, separated by a post saying the first one was incorrect.

Sorry if it offended you that your inconsistency was pointed out.

Didn't mean for any of your body parts to go missing.

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OP, I'd go with samran on this.

*SIGH*

If only everyone listened to me, and let me rule the world, everyone would be much happier.

Me too. I did say it was a long time ago and the memory becomes faded you know especially when it's more than ten years ago. However other Posters have raised a few other issues that will come into play if you are out of Oz for too long so it was worthwhile making a mistake and I would always have been happy to be corrected nicely.

[TerryLH]

"If only everyone listened to me, and let me rule the world, everyone would be much happier."

Amen!

[JimGant]

Up until 1992 it was the case that citizenship was lost when marrying a foreign male.

Interesting. So not being able to own land if married to a farang was by virtue of having lost your citizenship? Or was there a separate law covering this (i.e., was the land owning restriction continued past 1992)?

[moe666]

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

Pedant,

It must great to be perfect

I think its called paying attention. And with many response posters reading the posts

[lopburi3]

Up until 1992 it was the case that citizenship was lost when marrying a foreign male.

Interesting. So not being able to own land if married to a farang was by virtue of having lost your citizenship? Or was there a separate law covering this (i.e., was the land owning restriction continued past 1992)?

The land issue was a decision, not based on specific law, to not allow because of the joint property state of marriage. There is a law preventing foreign ownership. Joint property means joint ownership. Foreigner is not allowed ownership therefor to prevent legal issues do not allow registration of land for those married to a foreigner. As men did not change last name it was never noted so it in effect only applied to women. This was refined to allow registration by claiming prior marriage status/non marriage funds to bypass the joint ownership issue about a decade ago so women are now allowed to own/buy land but foreign husband must sign they understand she is using her funds so not joint property. This had/has nothing to do with the citizenship issue.

[ljerams]

"My friend, born in Ireland, then moved to Oz almost lost his Oz Citizenship by working overseas for too long..."

Then:

"He intended to become an Oz Citizen..."

Pedant,

It must great to be perfect

I think its called paying attention. And with many response posters reading the posts

When you get to my age, you will perhaps understand better.