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He F@cked Up

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this guy is no innocent pawn....he is no stranger to the drug culture...he knew what he was doing and got caught, he went in with eyes wide open took the risk and lost. He also didnt co-operate with the authorities, By doing this he may have saved his own life, all he had to do was name names. He has made every choice of his own free will knowing what the consequences are.

by the way....average hit.....1/10th of a gram ....average cost per hit $50 Aus...do the sums....not the biggest amount for sure but big enough.

Why on earth didn't he name names...dosn't take rocket science to work out why. :o

I could assume what the reason maybe...but in the end he had a choice and never tried to cut a deal....so he has to live and die by his own actions

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I wonder what hes having for his last meal, its probably the most difficult decision the lads had to make in his life, certainly wont be the stupidest tho.

I think i'd go for a sunday roast :o

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A mother's last touch

By Steve Butcher, Connie Levett and Nassim Khadem

December 2, 2005

NGUYEN Tuong Van held the hands of his mother and twin brother for the last time last night, just hours before his scheduled execution this morning in Singapore.

Kim Nguyen, her head covered by a white scarf and clutching a handkerchief, was comforted by an Australian High Commission official as she walked slowly through the Changi prison gates for her final meeting with her son.

Nguyen's twin brother, Khoa, had arrived before her, dressed all in white — the colour of Vietnamese mourning — for the final meeting in the visitors room at Changi.

Singapore agreed at the last minute to allow "limited contact" between Nguyen and his loved ones after a personal plea by Prime Minister John Howard to his counterpart, Lee Hsien Loong, at the recent Commonwealth leaders meeting.

Lawyers and friends who visited Nguyen for the last time yesterday said he was facing death with strength and optimism.

"He is a beautiful young man," said barrister Julian McMahon. "He is completely rehabilitated, completely reformed, completely focused on doing what is good, and now they are going to kill him."

Nguyen, 25, was due to be handcuffed and taken to the gallows today at 6am local time (9am Melbourne time) to be hanged for drug trafficking.

He received a mandatory death sentence after being caught with almost 400 grams of heroin at Changi Airport in 2002.

He was set to die accompanied by a priest and several emotional death row prison guards who have come to regard him like a son and with rosary beads in his hands.

He was planning to pray all last night, reciting prayers including the 23rd psalm, one of his favourites.

His writing hand would have still been throbbing from the last letters he hurriedly finished to loved ones and friends who have returned that love over his three years in custody in Singapore.

After rejecting repeated pleas from Australia to spare the life of Nguyen, the city-state released a statement late yesterday announcing that its ban on physical contact with death row prisoners would be waived for the last meeting in consideration of Mr Howard's request. "Mr Nguyen will be allowed to hold hands with his mother and brother," the statement said.

It said it did not usually allow contact because "such encounters can be traumatic and can destabilise the prisoner and their family".

It was not clear last night how the final touch between mother, son and brother would take place. But a Singapore lawyer with experience in execution cases said it may be done through a small hole in a wall. "I think they will bring him to another room and there will be an aperture through which they can reach," said the lawyer.

In the final hours leading up to Nguyen Tuong Van's execution, Australian leaders and politicians expressed grief and condemnation of the death penalty.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said a more appropriate punishment for drug trafficking would have been life imprisonment. Mr Downer welcomed Singapore's decision to allow physical contact, but called it "a meagre compensation".

"I am nevertheless glad that some physical contact will be possible and they have made a special exemption in this case."

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the execution of Nguyen was "barbaric" and more abhorrent for the fact that issues of mitigation were not taken into account.

"It was a mandatory death sentence," he said. "It's a most unfortunate, barbaric act that is occurring."

Labor foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd paid tribute to Nguyen's lawyers, Mr Howard and Mr Downer for their efforts. "I know for a fact that the Foreign Minister feels very deeply about this and he has been working on this for a very long time," Mr Rudd said. "Regrettably he, like the rest of us, has failed in his efforts."

Mr Rudd said Nguyen's lawyers had worked for free and had provided enormous support and comfort to his family.

He said the Singaporean Government had treated members of the Australian Government and Parliament with contempt.

"Why does Singapore do this? Why do they have one of the highest execution rates in the world?," Mr Rudd asked. "Employing a 19th-century means of execution in the 21st century is for me indescribable."

Around the world more than 380 cities — including Rome, Brussels, Madrid Buenos Aires and Santiago — joined forces to condemn the death penalty, not just in Singapore, but the United States as well, as it prepared to execute its 1000th person since reinstating capital punishment 30 years ago.

In Singapore, Nguyen's lawyers were emotional after their farewell visit to Changi Prison.

Mr McMahon, who shook hands with two prison guards as he walked out, had said: "We have just been with a young man who is in a beautiful state of mind.

"He is cheerful. What I wish to say is that he is a beautiful young man. Cheerful because he is composed.

"He only wishes to think good thoughts, say good things, do what is right."

Mr Lasry said the legal team had just "looked into the eyes of a healthy, young 25-year-old with so much to offer who is going to die a violent death."

He described their last 80 minutes with Nguyen as beautiful and uplifting.

Nguyen had never blamed anyone, felt resentment or expressed any anger. "He is emotional, as we all are, anxious … I think he's frightened, but not overly frightened, (but) frightened of the actual act of being killed.

"His overwhelming … feeling he portrays is strength."

Primitive Ignorant Govt.

But thats Singapore

Plays modern acts Medieival.

He has gone.

They tell you what's going to happen if you break their laws. If you're stupid enough to ignore them then the responsibility is yours alone.

this guy is no innocent pawn....he is no stranger to the drug culture...he knew what he was doing and got caught, he went in with eyes wide open took the risk and lost. He also didnt co-operate with the authorities, By doing this he may have saved his own life, all he had to do was name names. He has made every choice of his own free will knowing what the consequences are.

by the way....average hit.....1/10th of a gram ....average cost per hit $50 Aus...do the sums....not the biggest amount for sure but big enough.

Why on earth didn't he name names...dosn't take rocket science to work out why. :o

I could assume what the reason maybe...but in the end he had a choice and never tried to cut a deal....so he has to live and die by his own actions

I know of a guy that did 3 years for something he was MADE to do.If he had squelled...his family would have been toast.These things do happen. I just hope like hel_l he went to the gallows without this type of thing...... :D

innocent or perhaps naive individuals face the ultimate penalty and personally I do not think that that is right.

I agree with majority of your post John. However, naivity isn't a mitigating circumstance and no excuse for breaking the law. Could you imagine, "I'm sorry your Honour, I am only 18 and didn't realise that drinking 12 pints of lager would make me too pissed to drive and i'm really sorry for killing 10 school children crossing the road"

Perhaps 'Naive' was not quite the word I was looking for.

RIP

The laws of the country are the laws of the country, sad, but!

RIP - wish I could say this would be the last stupid <deleted> to have this happen, but there will be many more, I have no doubts about it.

One (suspected) supplier of smack has departed. Not to worry though - no doubt there's many more of them in Singapore.

These policies don't work. Period.

Someone was murdered and nothing was gained. Has the price of heroin changed? Has the value of a human life changed? Have you changed?

Someone was murdered and nothing was gained.  Has the price of heroin changed?  Has the value of a human life changed?  Have you changed?

Technically suicide! :o

One (suspected) supplier of smack has departed. Not to worry though - no doubt there's many more of them in Singapore.

These policies don't work. Period.

He was arrested with 400 grams of heroin at the airport, I doubt it was for his own use!

I do not agree with the death penalty under any circumstances but if you are fool enough to smuggle drugs into a country that has this punishment and you get caught you pay the price.

One (suspected) supplier of smack has departed. Not to worry though - no doubt there's many more of them in Singapore.

These policies don't work. Period.

He was arrested with 400 grams of heroin at the airport, I doubt it was for his own use!

I do not agree with the death penalty under any circumstances but if you are fool enough to smuggle drugs into a country that has this punishment and you get caught you pay the price.

He was definitely a mule, no doubt about that. Not necessarily a supplier or a dealer though.

Still, the law is the law, and whoever wrote it decided that this guy is not fit to live. He's not the first to die and sadly, no doubt in my mind, will be the last.

/edit... Just reminded me....

I was debating this one with my g/f last night. Her opinion - of course he should die.

This morning I shown her the BBC report covering his execution on the BBC News website. It had a photo of the guy's Mum crying. If obviously affected my girlfriend's "tough" stance.

Primitive Ignorant Govt.

But thats Singapore

Plays modern acts Medieival.

How come Australians only seem to get upset about the death penalty when it affects one of their own. I can't remember too many protests from Australia when the Bali bombers got the death penalty.

What a bunch of hypocrites! :o

Primitive Ignorant Govt.

But thats Singapore

Plays modern acts Medieival.

How come Australians only seem to get upset about the death penalty when it affects one of their own. I can't remember too many protests from Australia when the Bali bombers got the death penalty.

What a bunch of hypocrites! :o

Just to bring you into the 21st century, the Bali 9 are not as yet found guilty, let alone been sentenced to death. And just for the record, they are ALL Australians.

What an ill informed poster. :D

Singapore must have come up with a great penal rehabilitation scheme - only 3 years and now:

"He is a beautiful young man," said barrister Julian McMahon. "He is completely rehabilitated, completely reformed, completely focused on doing what is good, and now they are going to kill him."

Give us a break - the young fellow in question paid the ultimate penalty for sure and as I have stated previously not one ounce of sympathy from me - please spare us the heart strings and flowers bit - Simply put he was a drug smuggler end of story.

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Primitive Ignorant Govt.

But thats Singapore

Plays modern acts Medieival.

How come Australians only seem to get upset about the death penalty when it affects one of their own. I can't remember too many protests from Australia when the Bali bombers got the death penalty.

What a bunch of hypocrites! :o

That may have something to do with the fact that Australia abolished the death penalty over 20 years ago and don't like to see murder carried out under the guise of "justice".

The Bali bombers deliberately murdered over 200 people, including 83 Australians.

Primitive Ignorant Govt.

But thats Singapore

Plays modern acts Medieival.

How come Australians only seem to get upset about the death penalty when it affects one of their own. I can't remember too many protests from Australia when the Bali bombers got the death penalty.

What a bunch of hypocrites! :o

Just to bring you into the 21st century, the Bali 9 are not as yet found guilty, let alone been sentenced to death. And just for the record, they are ALL Australians.

What an ill informed poster. :D

Got out of the wrong side of ya bed this morning old bean? :D

Primitive Ignorant Govt.

But thats Singapore

Plays modern acts Medieival.

How come Australians only seem to get upset about the death penalty when it affects one of their own. I can't remember too many protests from Australia when the Bali bombers got the death penalty.

What a bunch of hypocrites! :o

Just to bring you into the 21st century, the Bali 9 are not as yet found guilty, let alone been sentenced to death. And just for the record, they are ALL Australians.

What an ill informed poster. :D

I believe he said the Bali BOMBERS.....not the Bali 9

Singapore must have come up with a great penal rehabilitation scheme - only 3 years and now:

"He is a beautiful young man," said barrister Julian McMahon. "He is completely rehabilitated, completely reformed, completely focused on doing what is good, and now they are going to kill him."

Give us a break - the young fellow in question paid the ultimate penalty for sure and as I have stated previously not one ounce of sympathy from me - please spare us the heart strings and flowers bit - Simply put he was a drug smuggler end of story.

Amazing how many people reform when there is no other option left. I see rehabilitated and reformed people come back into the system time and time again. If he hadnt have been caught he would not have needed to reform, would he?? Unfortunately this is a line run out by lawyers as evidence in mitigation in so many cases to try to elicit sympathy and get lighter sentences for their clients.

If this had not been highlighted by the media and in part that was brought about by the Corby, Leslie and Bali 9 cases, There would have been very little mentioned of it. A lot of people can remember the Barlow and Chambers case but hardly anyone knew about the the other case about the last Aussie hung in Malaysia. In this case the media attention was designed to elicit public sympathy and public outrage in order to try and overturn the sentence. It didnt work and rightly so.

Picture this.You come from a poor background and have had a bit of a dubious past.You've been inside a couple of time for non-violent offences (Burglary). You try to put the past behind you, but you are woken in the middle of the night when somebody has a sawn off shot gun in you wifes mouth.Your two children are asleep in thier bedrooms.You get told to to a dangerous "job"...if you get caught, you pay the price.If you grass, your family are killed/harmed...what would you do?

The above happened to a person that was known to me.He ended up doing 5 years inside.When asked about police protection etc...he just laughed and laughed.

"He is a beautiful young man," said barrister Julian McMahon. "He is completely rehabilitated, completely reformed, completely focused on doing what is good, and now they are going to kill him."

I agree - only thing that was reformed about the lad was he wouldn't have gone through Singapore on another run. However its a lawyers job to say all these nice things in order to get their client off, unfortunately we all know better.

Picture this.You come from a poor background and have had a bit of a dubious past.You've been inside a couple of time for non-violent offences (Burglary). You try to put the past behind you, but you are woken in the middle of the night when somebody has a sawn off shot gun in you wifes mouth.Your two children are asleep in thier bedrooms.You get told to to a dangerous "job"...if you get caught, you pay the price.If you grass, your family are killed/harmed...what would you do?

The above happened to a person that was known to me.He ended up doing  5 years inside.When asked about police protection etc...he just laughed and laughed.

You been watching the Godfather movies again :D or you need to change youur circle of friends. :o

to be serious....I would go and put a sawn off in his wifes mouth and tell him to fukc off......bullies and standover merchants only work because people allow themselves to be intimidated....stand up to the bastards and let them know you wont be pushed around. If you allow yourself to be bullied once .....you will be bullied for the rest of your life.

BTW after I take the sawn off from his wifes mouth....I would shoot the prieck in the nuts just to let them know I mean business.

Picture this.You come from a poor background and have had a bit of a dubious past.You've been inside a couple of time for non-violent offences (Burglary). You try to put the past behind you, but you are woken in the middle of the night when somebody has a sawn off shot gun in you wifes mouth.Your two children are asleep in thier bedrooms.You get told to to a dangerous "job"...if you get caught, you pay the price.If you grass, your family are killed/harmed...what would you do?

The above happened to a person that was known to me.He ended up doing  5 years inside.When asked about police protection etc...he just laughed and laughed.

You been watching the Godfather movies again :D or you need to change youur circle of friends. :o

to be serious....I would go and put a sawn off in his wifes mouth and tell him to fukc off......bullies and standover merchants only work because people allow themselves to be intimidated....stand up to the bastards and let them know you wont be pushed around. If you allow yourself to be bullied once .....you will be bullied for the rest of your life.

BTW after I take the sawn off from his wifes mouth....I would shoot the prieck in the nuts just to let them know I mean business.

This happened..it's not bullshit.It was a gang thing.If you are as brave as you make out, you would have been toast.This was not a movie pal,but real life. I don't know much about you, but you would be one in a million to stand up to these guys.

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Guys, the whole issue of gangland harm to families is real..... but, the real issue of this thread is the death penalty.

The teachings of our major faiths are "thou shalt not kill".

How can we teach our children not to kill when when we selectively decide who should die and who should not? Does the penalty fit the crime? What is reform without compassion? Constitutional murder does not solve societal problems!

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