What Is This Nazi Symbol On Tshirts?

[Richard4849]

Or he doesn't know or care and just considers it fashion, like all those Che t-shirt wearers.

[Richard4849]

I didn't ask you, did I?

But it's apparently lots of peoples' sacred cow judging by the attention on the Chiangmai school event.

[PoorSucker]

Or another example: What do YOU know about all the killings done to the native Americans by the European settlers? how comes that we still see all those cowboy films that tell us "only a dead American Indian is a good Ameriacn Indian"?

"The only good Indian is a dead Indian." –Philip Sheridan

Actual quotation is said to be "The only good Indians I ever saw were dead."

[PoorSucker]

Or he doesn't know or care and just considers it fashion, like all those Che t-shirt wearers.

[Richard4849]

Or he doesn't know or care and just considers it fashion, like all those Che t-shirt wearers.

Yup.

[PoorSucker]

Was it like this:

or like this:

[cdnvic]

Next person who drags the Thai Royal Family into this is going away. Two posts deleted.

[Jingthing]

I don't see any equivalency with people wearing Che shirts, which are rather cool, to people dressing up with Nazi symbols. Nazis were pure evil. Che had some good points and some bad points, but the romantic attraction to idealistic adolescents is undeniable.

[PoorSucker]

Here's a list of political prisoners that Che ordered executed.

http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth%20and%20memory/victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf

[Richard4849]

I don't see any equivalency with people wearing Che shirts, which are rather cool, to people dressing up with Nazi symbols. Nazis were pure evil. Che had some good points and some bad points, but the romantic attraction to idealistic adolescents is undeniable.

Wear a Che or Fidel t-shirt in Miami's Little Havana and let us know how you make out. Point is, someone will be gravely offended by your fashion choice.

[h90]

Hitler wanted them out of Germany, all other countries (including USA) didn't give visas, some like Switzerland event sent Jewish back to Germany. Than the Holocaust developed.

You could benefit from some reading. Hitler wanted to exterminate all global Jews. Obviously his power was limited to countries he conquered, but there were many. Every country he conquered, he rounded up the Jews. In most countries, the local Christian population totally cooperated in helping the Nazis murder their Jews. The Poles were especially enthusiastic but even the French did that. Are you a westerner? I find it amazing that a modern westerner would be so ignorant about the holocaust.

I recommend that you read a bit from....when he tried to push them out with long queues on the embassy and Jews begging for visas, long before the war and KZs. Most other countries were at this time also very Anti-Jew as they were seen as the reason for the economic problems. Even the communists were very Anti. Hitler was very popular around the world on the beginning. It was like we speak now from the Banksters and Wall Street. It was at that time the Jews.

But this detail, everyone wanted to forget as fast as possible after the war.

[IanForbes]

As soon as vee get rid of dah chews in Thailand vee are cumink fer choo

[poanoi]

@Jingthing:

Pol Pot killed every Vietnamese & Chinese he could, it was genocide.

In a way he combined Stalin's terror where everyone was at risk with Hitlers where some where doomed

[Jingthing]

Hitler wanted them out of Germany, all other countries (including USA) didn't give visas, some like Switzerland event sent Jewish back to Germany. Than the Holocaust developed.

You could benefit from some reading. Hitler wanted to exterminate all global Jews. Obviously his power was limited to countries he conquered, but there were many. Every country he conquered, he rounded up the Jews. In most countries, the local Christian population totally cooperated in helping the Nazis murder their Jews. The Poles were especially enthusiastic but even the French did that. Are you a westerner? I find it amazing that a modern westerner would be so ignorant about the holocaust.

I recommend that you read a bit from....when he tried to push them out with long queues on the embassy and Jews begging for visas, long before the war and KZs. Most other countries were at this time also very Anti-Jew as they were seen as the reason for the economic problems. Even the communists were very Anti. Hitler was very popular around the world on the beginning. It was like we speak now from the Banksters and Wall Street. It was at that time the Jews.

But this detail, everyone wanted to forget as fast as possible after the war.

I don't know where you're coming from but if you think I said in my post that only Nazis were/are antisemitic, you're barking up the wrong tree. They were the only ones to build death camps and gas chambers and engineer an international industrialized genocide. To you, does it justify the Nazis that antisemitism was/is so widespread?

Edited October 16, 2011 by Jingthing

[whybother]

Or he doesn't know or care and just considers it fashion, like all those Che t-shirt wearers.

I have a t-shirt with Che's picture on it ...

... and the text ...

... ... ... "WHO THE F#*K IS THIS GUY & why is he on everybody's t-shirt?"

[Jingthing]

I don't see any equivalency with people wearing Che shirts, which are rather cool, to people dressing up with Nazi symbols. Nazis were pure evil. Che had some good points and some bad points, but the romantic attraction to idealistic adolescents is undeniable.

Wear a Che or Fidel t-shirt in Miami's Little Havana and let us know how you make out. Point is, someone will be gravely offended by your fashion choice.

I agree with you about the Fidel t-shirt and I know the history of Che and Cuba, but I sincerely don't think a Che symbol would be seen in the same way. It has become an international youth rebellion symbol similar to wearing a t-shirt with a cannabis leaf.

[h90]

Hitler wanted them out of Germany, all other countries (including USA) didn't give visas, some like Switzerland event sent Jewish back to Germany. Than the Holocaust developed.

You could benefit from some reading. Hitler wanted to exterminate all global Jews. Obviously his power was limited to countries he conquered, but there were many. Every country he conquered, he rounded up the Jews. In most countries, the local Christian population totally cooperated in helping the Nazis murder their Jews. The Poles were especially enthusiastic but even the French did that. Are you a westerner? I find it amazing that a modern westerner would be so ignorant about the holocaust.

I recommend that you read a bit from....when he tried to push them out with long queues on the embassy and Jews begging for visas, long before the war and KZs. Most other countries were at this time also very Anti-Jew as they were seen as the reason for the economic problems. Even the communists were very Anti. Hitler was very popular around the world on the beginning. It was like we speak now from the Banksters and Wall Street. It was at that time the Jews.

But this detail, everyone wanted to forget as fast as possible after the war.

I don't know where you're coming from but if you think I said in my post that only Nazis were/are antisemitic, you're barking up the wrong tree. They were the only ones to build death camps and gas chambers and engineer an international industrialized genocide. To you, does it justify the Nazis that antisemitism was/is so widespread?

Pol Pot did exactly the same, just he wasn't that industrialized because he killed the smart one. Nothing unique with the Nazis, just they worked with German efficiency while others were sloppy. The only unique thing was that it was against Jews (also against many other people Roma, Sinti for example, but no one cares about them).

I still don't get it: Mass murder like Stalin and Mao who killed more people than Hitler are no problem, even get openly idealized in the red shirt movement. If one idiot walks with a swastika everyone gets upset.

[h90]

I don't see any equivalency with people wearing Che shirts, which are rather cool, to people dressing up with Nazi symbols. Nazis were pure evil. Che had some good points and some bad points, but the romantic attraction to idealistic adolescents is undeniable.

Wear a Che or Fidel t-shirt in Miami's Little Havana and let us know how you make out. Point is, someone will be gravely offended by your fashion choice.

I agree with you about the Fidel t-shirt and I know the history of Che and Cuba, but I sincerely don't think a Che symbol would be seen in the same way. It has become an international youth rebellion symbol similar to wearing a t-shirt with a cannabis leaf.

In Austria the right wing party had Che on some propaganda as symbol for being against the establishment.

[Jingthing]

In Austria the right wing party had Che on some propaganda as symbol for being against the establishment.

That's interesting and weird as the Che symbol is generally associated with the left.

[IanForbes]

That's interesting and weird as the Che symbol is generally associated with the left.

In politics, there's not much difference between the left and the right. They both want the same thing... power for those at the top only. All else is just semantics. Pure capitalist or dictator, they are both similar.

[maiphedmaiaroi]

Ok I see, well since we are here , I recall a bunch of osama shirts on the street post 9/11. While incredibly insensitive (like the shirts mentioned in this top and the school issue topic up north), sometimes you just have to put it down to ignorance and move on. A small percentage of people are very small minded and you have a couple of choices as I see;

1) Ignore them

2) Start a topic on here to vent about it knowing full well that you are more or less preaching to the conformed.

By selling/wearing etc such shirts only indicates very loudly how much of a buffalo they really are.

Yeah i seen those kind of t shirts. The ones with bush too. Didnt see anyone wearing the bush ones though. Not suprising really.

Saw a songtheaw in minburi with a massive painting of bin laden on. Was quiet good actually.

Anyway most intelligent people know bin laden had nothing to do with 911, other things? i doubt it was created by the CIA. but that is another story

[Jingthing]

That's interesting and weird as the Che symbol is generally associated with the left.

In politics, there's not much difference between the left and the right. They both want the same thing... power for those at the top only. All else is just semantics. Pure capitalist or dictator, they are both similar.

That's rather a gross over-simplification. However, I would agree that extreme right or left authoritarian governments are similarly horrific.

[Kwasaki]

I don't see any equivalency with people wearing Che shirts, which are rather cool, to people dressing up with Nazi symbols. Nazis were pure evil. Che had some good points and some bad points, but the romantic attraction to idealistic adolescents is undeniable.

Wear a Che or Fidel t-shirt in Miami's Little Havana and let us know how you make out. Point is, someone will be gravely offended by your fashion choice.

I agree with you about the Fidel t-shirt and I know the history of Che and Cuba, but I sincerely don't think a Che symbol would be seen in the same way. It has become an international youth rebellion symbol similar to wearing a t-shirt with a cannabis leaf.

I've just told the local Thai ' T ' shirt printer to try out some with ( I love wall street ).

[Jingthing]

I've just told the local Thai ' T ' shirt printer to try out some with ( I love wall street ).

Whatever, that's just kind of silly. Doubt that would offend anyone. Speaking of silly, how about Occupy Wall Drug?

Edited October 16, 2011 by Jingthing

[HalibutJones]

It's very ignorant of the Thais not to learn more about Western history, especially considering the lengths most farangs go to educate themselves on the history and culture here.

nb contains added sarcasm

[yermanee]

Interesting article here : http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html

[h90]

In Austria the right wing party had Che on some propaganda as symbol for being against the establishment.

That's interesting and weird as the Che symbol is generally associated with the left.

There were TShirts or Posters (not sure now) of the leader:

Heinz-Christian Strache. At the same time the Socialist Governor put a big Che Guevara head at a public place in Vienna and the same right wing party is fighting against it.

(don't know if it looked exactly like the picture or just similar, it was used only 1-2 times than it maybe was to strange for the old hardcore right wings)

[partington]

Pol Pot did exactly the same, just he wasn't that industrialized because he killed the smart one. Nothing unique with the Nazis, just they worked with German efficiency while others were sloppy. The only unique thing was that it was against Jews (also against many other people Roma, Sinti for example, but no one cares about them).

I still don't get it: Mass murder like Stalin and Mao who killed more people than Hitler are no problem, even get openly idealized in the red shirt movement. If one idiot walks with a swastika everyone gets upset.

Listen, the point is that today there are may neo-Nazi groups in existence: in the US, in the UK, in Scandinavia and elsewhere. They continue to profess the beliefs that Nazi ideology was admirable: that white people are superior to Jews, to black people, to any non-white race. That it would be better if these other races were removed, discriminated against, deprived of their personal, social, legal rights and freedoms, and that these deprivations should be enforced on these minorities by force, by white people, because white people are their masters.

These groups currently use swastikas as a symbol to show that these are their beliefs and that they are members of groups that profess these views.

This is why these symbols are illegal to display in many european countries. This is why it is politically and morally correct to object to these symbols, because they contain the implication that by displaying them you are both proselytising for, and declaring yourself a supporter of, morally and ethically contemptible views.

The question of the use and display of swastikas in Asian countries where the symbol predates Nazism by 5000 years, and where many are ignorant of the 80-year appropriation of the symbol by fascists is obviously very different. Probably the exact depiction of the version comprising the nazi flag (45°, in white circle, on red background) should be discouraged forcefully. But the original symbol belongs completely to these cultures, and has always expressed the sacred and the invocation of good wishes and good fortune. So there is obviously much genuine confusion at western discomfort.

(And a little bit of genuine provocation in some cases, I daresay..)

edited: typo

Edited October 16, 2011 by partington

[transam]

Pol Pot did exactly the same, just he wasn't that industrialized because he killed the smart one. Nothing unique with the Nazis, just they worked with German efficiency while others were sloppy. The only unique thing was that it was against Jews (also against many other people Roma, Sinti for example, but no one cares about them).

I still don't get it: Mass murder like Stalin and Mao who killed more people than Hitler are no problem, even get openly idealized in the red shirt movement. If one idiot walks with a swastika everyone gets upset.

Listen, the point is that today there are may neo-Nazi groups in existence: in the US, in the UK, in Scandinavia and elsewhere. They continue to profess the beliefs that Nazi ideology was admirable: that white people are superior to Jews, to black people, to any non-white race. That it would be better if these other races were removed, discriminated against, deprived of their personal, social, legal and rights and freedoms, and that these deprivations should be enforced on these minorities by force, by white people, because white people are their masters.

These groups currently use swastikas as a symbol to show that these are their beliefs and that they are members of groups that profess these views.

This is why these symbols are illegal to display in many european countries. This is why it is politically and morally correct to object to these symbols, because they contain the implication that by displaying them you are both proselytising for, and declaring yourself a supporter of, morally and ethically contemptible views.

The question of the use and display of swastikas in Asian countries where the symbol predates Nazism by 5000 years, and where many are ignorant of the 80-year appropriation of the symbol by fascists is obviously very different. Probably the exact depiction of the version comprising the nazi flag (45°, in white circle, on red background) should be discouraged forcefully. But the original symbol belongs completely to these cultures, and has always expressed the sacred and the invocation of good wishes and good fortune. So there is obviously much genuine confusion at western discomfort.

(And a little bit of genuine provocation in some cases, I daresay..)

Yes, and these modern day brain dead young have not the brain matter to understand the implications or have witnessed children being executed for no reason.

[Jingthing]

About Thais and other Asian nationals wearing specifically Nazi swastikas as opposed to Asian religion swastikas -- I don't believe at all that most don't know that the Nazi swastikas are not the same thing as the religious ones. Don't fall for that! If you don't believe me, next time you see a Thai wearing a Nazi swastika, ask him whether he thinks it is an Asian religious symbol. Of course I realize many wear the Nazi stuff as fashion and/or a shock statement and "real" Thai ideological Nazis would be exceptionally rare, but let's get real about this non-existent confusion.

Every time there is a topic about Nazi stuff in Thailand, the same old tripe gets brought up about Asian swastikas and how confused the locals are. Let's put this to bed. We know the difference and Thais do too!

Edited October 16, 2011 by Jingthing