Bagwan Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 If he is Mr. La Touche, then surely she must have been Mrs. La Touche? Theoretically yes but in practice not necessary as ladies are permitted to keep the their former names on marriage It is quite legal for a man to take his new wife's family name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Its one of those things. Some men are 'obsessive' about certain hobbies and related paraphenalia - Thai women are unlikely to understand this. Of course those men need to be avoided, but again - Thai women wouldn't realise this. Like pony tails and Harley Davidson contraptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Please read the artlcle properly.....he met her at a bar! What else do u expect? Waste of time posting articles like these.....both parties deserved each other. Yeah...I read the article and as you state,it says "he met her in a bar"...and that is it. So, if he would have met her during a football- match, would you assume she is a player? Many people meet other people in bars or clubs or discos. She is Thai, so she has to be a prostitute, right?! And therefor she is the scum of the earth and has to take abuse or death as "part of the deal" and he has to take...whatever as part of his. Some people have a very interesting picture of the world they life in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It is irrelevant what nationality or race the girl is. I'm sure that these guys would not ever consider marrying a prostitute in their own country and expect the girl to conveniently fall into the guy's mode of lifestyle. Some years ago a close friend married a Thai bar girl then took her back to the UK with him. They had 3 children together, but this did not change the girl's old ways. She would sometimes go off to the local pub and disappear until the following morning, arriving home with a hangover from drink and drugs. She even had an affair with her husband`s close friend, plus after a few drinks she was anybodies, I mean that litually. At one time the couple had a blazing argument resulting with the girl being thrown from a first floor window at the family home. She broke her back and her husband was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment. There are some smashing Thai girls around if you choose carefully and stay well away from the underclass sectors of Thai society. Again and another *bar girls are all dirt"- guy. Guess what? My first thai GF was educated, worked in the management of a big hotel, spoke good english...and was the biggest slut I ever met. And I have a friend, who is married to bar girl. Careing mother of 2, not slutty at all, drinks little to no alcohol and is a nice warhearted person. But the world is easier in black & white, right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chops Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Excuse me, but I don't know why he was sentenced for life. What does that do? He was angry and lost it. Anybody could have done the same thing if under enough stress and rage. A tragedy, yes, but throwing somebody in prison for the rest of their life solves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It is irrelevant what nationality or race the girl is. I'm sure that these guys would not ever consider marrying a prostitute in their own country and expect the girl to conveniently fall into the guy's mode of lifestyle. Some years ago a close friend married a Thai bar girl then took her back to the UK with him. They had 3 children together, but this did not change the girl's old ways. She would sometimes go off to the local pub and disappear until the following morning, arriving home with a hangover from drink and drugs. She even had an affair with her husband`s close friend, plus after a few drinks she was anybodies, I mean that litually. At one time the couple had a blazing argument resulting with the girl being thrown from a first floor window at the family home. She broke her back and her husband was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment. There are some smashing Thai girls around if you choose carefully and stay well away from the underclass sectors of Thai society. Again and another *bar girls are all dirt"- guy. Guess what? My first thai GF was educated, worked in the management of a big hotel, spoke good english...and was the biggest slut I ever met. And I have a friend, who is married to bar girl. Careing mother of 2, not slutty at all, drinks little to no alcohol and is a nice warhearted person. But the world is easier in black & white, right?! "And I have a friend, who is married to bar girl. Careing mother of 2, not slutty at all, drinks little to no alcohol and is a nice warhearted person." Warmhearted ? Ps. Not a dig at you, just a nice unintentional pun ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbiggus Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Well I feel sorry for the poor bloke as all you guys know how Thai women can be tremendously difficult to live with. And yes humans are emotional something you guys at TV seem to forget (then again maybe you are all R2’s and D2’s). Thai women can be very cold hearted and can act very mechanical. Maybe this guy realised he was being played like a tune and took revenge for being lied to and being treated in such away. Many Thai women don’t relies they are playing with fire. If this woman wanted to go back home then all she has to do is walk, she does not need to make threats. There’s a lot more to this tragedy which no one will ever know. But I get the feeling that they were both trapped in a loveless marriage, with great expectations from neighbours and parents, so this couple just kept up appearances and lived a horrible life, creating tension and frustration towards each other. Like so many couples I know. May the force be with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze01 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Excuse me, but I don't know why he was sentenced for life. What does that do? He was angry and lost it. Anybody could have done the same thing if under enough stress and rage. A tragedy, yes, but throwing somebody in prison for the rest of their life solves nothing. The truly said part of this story is that the child is now without a mother or father and will most likely wind up in foster care, scarred for life by this event.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) Excuse me, but I don't know why he was sentenced for life. What does that do? He was angry and lost it. Anybody could have done the same thing if under enough stress and rage. A tragedy, yes, but throwing somebody in prison for the rest of their life solves nothing. My own post updated: Personally speaking, I've had plenty of occasions where I was provoked angry, stressed, enraged... sometimes even to the point of severe provocation anger, stress, rage and yet... I never murdered anyone over it. I dare say that billions can also say the same thing. Add: A part of the reason for his confinement is designed to prevent a future re-occurrence of a person who when he gets angry, murders someone. Another part of his confinement is designed to punish the actions committed by a sane, and thus responsible for his actions, individual. . Edited November 3, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 . A 30 year-old man.... suffocating and murdering someone..... over children's toys. Read the full story....this was not over children's toys.... it was a ticking bomb ready to explode at any time. If he had come back to Thailand it's likely the outcome would have been reversed. So it was a pre-emptive murder then? I don't believe so. Based on the limited information we have I would have called it manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 He should of just let her go back to Thailand there are plenty more bargirls lining up to tell him he is handsome and love him. Killing her for wanting to leave is pointless. Not a particularly insightful reply. Perhaps you could explain then why so many expats who live in Thailand get married where the streets are lined with bargirls. Using your logic no one should ever get married in Thailand. Obviously lonely guys in love don't think things through quite as much as commenters on this forum. What I was saying is, no reason to kill her just let her go. Plenty of more fish in the sea. I seem to have offended you and I appologise it was not my intention. You got me wrong and I'm not offended in the slightest. It's just that you can't apply logical reasoning to the actions of a distraught man in love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 . A 30 year-old man.... suffocating and murdering someone..... over children's toys. Read the full story....this was not over children's toys.... it was a ticking bomb ready to explode at any time. If he had come back to Thailand it's likely the outcome would have been reversed. So it was a pre-emptive murder then? I don't believe so. Based on the limited information we have I would have called it manslaughter. and yet, with infinitely more information available to the Preston Crown Court, they called it murder and jailed him for life. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) . A 30 year-old man.... suffocating and murdering someone..... over children's toys. He was a true fan. others describe him with a variant of that word... Star Wars fanatic choked his Thai bride to death after she destroyed his collection of toys Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056923/Rickie-la-Touche-choked-Thai-bride-Pornpilai-Srisroy-destroyed-Star-Wars-toys.html#ixzz1cgOMF2xS Link to Photo Obsessed: Rickie la Touche used a picture of the Star Wars character Darth Bane for his Facebook profile. He became angry when his wife damaged his treasured Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker memorabilia Edited November 3, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Excuse me, but I don't know why he was sentenced for life. What does that do? He was angry and lost it. Anybody could have done the same thing if under enough stress and rage. A tragedy, yes, but throwing somebody in prison for the rest of their life solves nothing. Actually "anybody" would not do the same thing if under enough stress and rage. There is obviously a serious problem with somebody who cannot control their rage let alone their need to kill another human being who poses them no immediate threat. Something is very scary in the fact you believe this to be a normal reaction that could happen to anybody. One can only wonder what you would be saying if this murdered young women was your daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 . A 30 year-old man.... suffocating and murdering someone..... over children's toys. Read the full story....this was not over children's toys.... it was a ticking bomb ready to explode at any time. If he had come back to Thailand it's likely the outcome would have been reversed. So it was a pre-emptive murder then? I don't believe so. Based on the limited information we have I would have called it manslaughter. I have the same limited information as you have but I suspect slightly more knowledge of the law. Strangulation can never be involuntary manslaughter. He denied murder but admitted manslaughter, in this case it would have been determined as voluntary manslaughter. Given the absence of drink, drugs and no evidence of diminished responsibility and strangulation as the method of death there is virtually no chance of a jury returning anything other than a murder verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) I have the same limited information as you have but I suspect slightly more knowledge of the law. Strangulation can never be involuntary manslaughter. He denied murder but admitted manslaughter, in this case it would have been determined as voluntary manslaughter. Given the absence of drink, drugs and no evidence of diminished responsibility and strangulation as the method of death there is virtually no chance of a jury returning anything other than a murder verdict. He certainly could have been charged with premeditated murder, at least in the US, based on his statement... ''We woke up. My wife is from Thailand and she keeps threatening to leave. We argued and she said she was going to make my life hell. She's put me through it before. I couldn't let that happen again." He then goes on to say he choked her to death. Interesting too is I haven't seen anywhere that this guy expresses any remorse but read a lot about how he continues to excuse his behavior and blame his wife for his committing murder. Clearly this guy has some real issues and hasn't ever grown up (don't forget he ran to his mom's house after killing his wife). Edited November 3, 2011 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajarnpot Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I have the same limited information as you have but I suspect slightly more knowledge of the law. Strangulation can never be involuntary manslaughter. He denied murder but admitted manslaughter, in this case it would have been determined as voluntary manslaughter. Given the absence of drink, drugs and no evidence of diminished responsibility and strangulation as the method of death there is virtually no chance of a jury returning anything other than a murder verdict. He certainly could have been charged with premeditated murder, at least in the US, based on his statement... ''We woke up. My wife is from Thailand and she keeps threatening to leave. We argued and she said she was going to make my life hell. She's put me through it before. I couldn't let that happen again." He then goes on to say he choked her to death. Interesting too is I haven't seen anywhere that this guy expresses any remorse but read a lot about how he continues to excuse his behavior and blame his wife for his committing murder. Clearly this guy has some real issues and hasn't ever grown up (don't forget he ran to his mom's house after killing his wife). Where the poor chap is expalioning she's put me through it before - I believe that she had previously damaged his actin men, the star wars figures were the final straw, .......... show a little compassion please, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 An off-topic post has been deleted. Please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 at first he became “besotted” and then he strangled. should have just join here http://www.americanmustacheinstitute.org/ who gets the toys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I have the same limited information as you have but I suspect slightly more knowledge of the law. Strangulation can never be involuntary manslaughter. He denied murder but admitted manslaughter, in this case it would have been determined as voluntary manslaughter. Given the absence of drink, drugs and no evidence of diminished responsibility and strangulation as the method of death there is virtually no chance of a jury returning anything other than a murder verdict. He certainly could have been charged with premeditated murder, at least in the US, based on his statement... ''We woke up. My wife is from Thailand and she keeps threatening to leave. We argued and she said she was going to make my life hell. She's put me through it before. I couldn't let that happen again." He then goes on to say he choked her to death. Interesting too is I haven't seen anywhere that this guy expresses any remorse but read a lot about how he continues to excuse his behavior and blame his wife for his committing murder. Clearly this guy has some real issues and hasn't ever grown up (don't forget he ran to his mom's house after killing his wife). In the UK we do not have the same definition of murder as the US. In contrast to the US you can be charged with murder even if your intent was to cause grievous bodily harm but that intent to harm caused a death. The point is that he was charged with murder not manslaughter. His statement would have been part of the case but no more than that. The reason that I said that strangulation will almost inevitably end with a guilty of murder verdict is because attempting the act of strangulation is itself grievous bodily harm and the successful completion of the act is murder. As to whether the guy had "issues" I would treat a lot of the reporting with caution, that was also what he wanted the jury to think as his defence was one of diminished responsibility (the only possible defence to strangulation). You could therefore expect his defence team to play up what appeared to be the more bizzare aspects of the case. Diminished responsibility is a question for a jury, they decided against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Apparently, in Britain, the difference between men and boys is not the price of their toys. Quarter million baht for a Darth Vader with telescoping light sabre in box. I had one like these. My mom threw it out when I went to college. dam_n! Sad story all around, and I agree with a poster above, the toys story is just to make the story "more interesting" in our inane news media. A normal murder would be way too boring for the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traxster Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 He kills his wife and then runs home ,sobbing , to his mummy !! Sheesh !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotto Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Another sicko killing a woman why do they just not tell them to bugger off if his toys are so precious, i just do not get the mentality of some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaowong1 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I wonder if his lawyers tried the chewbacca defense http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense He should have been tried in Thailand, I think every lawyer here uses the "Chewbacca" defense. I saw that episode of South Park. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARISTIDE Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I think she will get away with it as Thai police will rule out suicide and the the judge will laugh at the victim family. She then start killing off Farang one by one, start with the old, fat and hairly one first. Wonder if the wife had murdered him in Thailand what the outcome would have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 If he is Mr. La Touche, then surely she must have been Mrs. La Touche? Geeze, Mr. Sherlock Holmes! Even a person with deductive skills inferior to your own might come up with the hypothesis that her family name or possibly given name was being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmw Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 12 years in jail or "henpecked" for the rest of life. He may have been smarter than you give him credit for. I have seen some couples- Thai/farang that would be better of going in the same direction. Cheaper than divorce in the UK, he gets to keep his pension, his house and the kid (when he gets out) Better deal than I had from a judge. True true words ludditeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 12 years in jail or "henpecked" for the rest of life. He may have been smarter than you give him credit for. I have seen some couples- Thai/farang that would be better of going in the same direction. Cheaper than divorce in the UK, he gets to keep his pension, his house and the kid (when he gets out) Better deal than I had from a judge. True true words ludditeman He could even cash in and write a book about his experiences in the nick . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Original Star Wars toys are not just toys, they are collectors items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Original Star Wars toys are not just toys, they are collectors items. Rare and expensive collectors items , but toys none the less . And so we can ask the question ; If he had been collecting oil paintings all his life and his partner had defaced them in some way would it have been alright to kill her ? Nah , but he might have got more sympathy from the judge . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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