Thai Cabinet Endorses Thaksin Amnesty Plan: Reports

[Lite Beer]

PM to depart for Indonesia tonight, so she won't attend House meeting & answer question regarding royal amnesty decree tomorrow via @NochiPH/via@Tulip_Oum

[Soutpeel]

Wow what a surprise, not. "How come it took so long?"

That pesky flood got in the way....

[lannarebirth]

I think this whole thing may be a diversionary tactic to take the heat away from the very real culpability of this government in the hundreds of flood deaths. I just can't see them pulling this off, despite the deal Shawn Crispin alluded to in one of his artices a few months ago. Subtlety was never one of Thaksin characteristics, but I just can't see them strong arming this through when so many people are already uncontent and likely to become more so. It's a dam_n good diversion though.

Edited November 16, 2011 by lannarebirth

[BlackJack]

10 points for creativity

however it has to pass through a very big door first before its approved

[bkkjames]

The ongoing game of chess continues.....it will be interesting the next move.

[Buchholz]

There have been seven of these still-pending arrest warrants issued for Thaksin:

Any source for the above

It's a searchable item in the Thaivisa archives

http://www.thaivisa....ch&fromsearch=1

I am not going to bother

Up to you.

They are all listed in the forum.

Here's the first four to get you started if you reconsider.

1. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=137480&view=findpost&p=1475921

2. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=137657&view=findpost&p=1514024

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[sparebox2]

The country will get what it wanted and what it deserves.

The North voted for Yingluck and have to accept Taksin will be back and in control. Is this bad for the country I do not know. Good luck to all Thais

Right. When I was a student in San Diego University, I learned that an amnesty is only for persons having served at least a third of their therms in jail. Is that correct? Or in Thailand the laws work differently?

But, we don't need to worry as Thaksin said that he will not "PLAY" politics again.....let me laugh.

I think that's time that the Democrats ask for 10 millions baht for very people who died in the flood, just to put a stop to every demand of the Reds.

The North is not Thaksin main forces, it's the North-East, with all the poor isarn, who can't anymore send their daughters to Pattaya as Tourism is down to a minimum.

I think that Vietnam,Cambodia and Laos seems to be a good alternative.

Cheers Thailand

"amnesty is only for persons having served at least a third of their therms in jail. Is that correct?"

Go tell that to PAD, Khun Veera & his lady friend in Cambodia jail.

[khaan]

I think this whole thing may be a diversionary tactic to take the heat away from the very real culpability of this government in the hundreds of flood deaths. I just can't see them pulling this off, despite the deal Shawn Crispin alluded to in one of his artices a few months ago. Subtlety was never one of Thaksin characteristics, but I just can't see them strong arming this through when so many people are already uncontent and likely to become more so. It's a dam_n good diversion though.

I think your speculations in Post #206 was more accurate. This is a perfect time for them to try

this is exactly the kind of thing they do in the West? When people are concentrating on something far bigger ( i.e. the flood ) they can try to slip this in ? How many times have we seen this tactic in the USA? And who's going to object other than the Bangkok people?

[Buchholz]

PM to depart for Indonesia tonight, so she won't attend House meeting & answer question regarding royal amnesty decree tomorrow via @NochiPH/via@Tulip_Oum

" Run, Forrest, Run "

[elcent]

I was wondering about 2 hours ago why I heard shootings, afterwards sirens. Coincidence? Another question, if that amnesty goes through and was tailored for a particular person, could it be that this person, sentenced in 2008, is only eligible to amnesty degrees of 2008 or 2009?

This is a hot potato ... any experts here?

... this question I posted at 4am today in another thread since this one wasn't opened.

Someone mentioned that a convict must be in the country to get the pardon/amnesty. --- What about Jutaporn's Red village? Could someone have sneaked in there? As we all have noticed this particular persons are very quiet at the moment. ---

Furthermore I noticed that street vendors cruising the Moo Ban are absent today. Not sure if that has something to do with Clinton coming to this area today or not. Only a monk early in the morning seemed to brush through in a hurry today.

anywhere else?

Edited November 16, 2011 by elcent

[sparebox2]

Ok. Let's say that YS was afraid to fly at night. And lets set aside the question of how she gets to America other far away places for her meetings and shopping without having to fly at night. What stopped her from getting up twenty minutes earlier than usual to get a morning flight in time for her job? She was only about 150 km away.

Private jet is different from Army helicopter (or any Army vehicle for the matter).

Go to the flood area to see a "working" army truck, or see the Harrier on the Thai aircraft carrier, then decide if you want to fly at night.

Just like many people don't want to fly Biman Bangladesh airlines even though their BKK-LHR price is at least 50% off TG. They never clash so far (unlike TG which lost a few planes already, latest in Surathani), yet you wouldn't want to risk it, would you.

Via surface, the main road linking BKK - North is flooded in many parts, plus lots of pot holes below water. It is a hassle daytime, and I wouldn't recommen driving night time.

[Farang0tang]

PM to depart for Indonesia tonight, so she won't attend House meeting & answer question regarding royal amnesty decree tomorrow via @NochiPH/via@Tulip_Oum

Perhaps Yinglucks cracked and had enough.

Doing a runner into exile!

[Billmont]

This is Thailand and the present government won a fair election. What is being done is being decided by Thais and those of you who do not like it and/or the decisions being made should go back and put your own country to right. Obviously the Thai system is no good for you so why live in a country that you do not like when your country is obviously a paradise which was so good you had to get out and move elsewhere. As for me I accept that I am a guest here and happy with the system because it is the Thai way. When I become uncomfortable for whatever reason I will move on, maybe back to my own country. I respectfully suggest many of the posters have now reached this stage and should leave!

Boring & ridiculously stupid comment. I live here because I choose to live here, and I would have a view to express wherever I lived. I suggest that it is you that needs move back to your own country because clearly you do not feel comfortable with the right of any person to express an opinion.

Yes, I am sure you would do this in Pakistan, or most middle east countries. I compare the few that have replied to my comment to the immigrants to the UK. They left their home because of oppression and now want to turn the UK into the country they left. Strange old world! And Yes: you can express an opinion but it would appear that as far as you are concerned that opinion must agree with the many who do not like the Thai system.

[Thaifever]

Ok. Let's say that YS was afraid to fly at night. And lets set aside the question of how she gets to America other far away places for her meetings and shopping without having to fly at night. What stopped her from getting up twenty minutes earlier than usual to get a morning flight in time for her job? She was only about 150 km away.

Private jet is different from Army helicopter (or any Army vehicle for the matter).

Go to the flood area to see a "working" army truck, or see the Harrier on the Thai aircraft carrier, then decide if you want to fly at night.

Just like many people don't want to fly Biman Bangladesh airlines even though their BKK-LHR price is at least 50% off TG. They never clash so far (unlike TG which lost a few planes already, latest in Surathani), yet you wouldn't want to risk it, would you.

Via surface, the main road linking BKK - North is flooded in many parts, plus lots of pot holes below water. It is a hassle daytime, and I wouldn't recommen driving night time.

Seriously, enough about the radar helicopters. Do you not actually believe this story was scripted before she left bkk? The point is to have Yingluck *appear* know nothing about the amnesty, therefore attempting to keep as much credibility as possible when it hits the press, that this wasn't the plan all along.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Thaifever

[ratcatcher]

Your last line is "sailing close to the wind" don't you think?

That's a premature assumption.

Referring to post #225.

Edited November 16, 2011 by ratcatcher

[chooka]

I'm not exactly a fan of both sides and I think that bringing Thaksin back will not be in anyway beneficial to Thailand. It's a start of another crisis.

I agree I think both sides are as bad as one another.

[webfact]

ROYAL AMNESTY

Justice Ministry to study royal amnesty details: Chalerm

The Nation

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung on Wednesday said a Justice Ministry panel will be formed to study the details of the annual royal amnesty to mark HM the King's birthday in December.

He declined to confirm the widespread Thai media reports that the Yingluck administration has added extra changes to this year's annual amnesty to benefit fugitive exPM Thaksin Shinawatra.

The panel, which would comprise about 20 members, would be assigned to study legislative details and the criteria of those who would be eligible to be granted the amnesty, Chalerm said.

The justice minister would forward the draft for cabinet endorsement and then to Council of State. If it were in order, the Cabinet's secretary general would present it for endorsement.

"The royal amnesty decree is under HM the King's power. I wish to confirm that this government would not do anything that is against the law and would not allow anyone to do so," he said.

He refused to reveal the details of the amnesty, saying he would be criticised if the details did not turn out as he had indicated.

Chalerm also blamed a Cabinet member who spread information that the Cabinet on Tuesday met in secret to consider the amnesty. He claimed he knew who had revealed the details, but would do nothing as he is not the prime minister.

Media reports said that during a confidential Cabinet forum Tuesday limited to only a handful numbers of ministers and officials, it was decided that people convicted of corruption would be entitled to receive this year's amnesty.

Last year's royal decree, under which prisoners were released to mark the monarch's birthday, excluded people convicted of drug trading and corruption.

The proclaimed changes to the annual amnesty would include another key point that would fully benefit Thaksin. The fact that Thaksin has yet to serve a day in prison has prompted questions of how he would be "released". If this year's conditions benefit fugitives, it will be a considerable change from Thai legal and royal traditions.

-- The Nation 2011-11-16

[webfact]

RT @tulsathit: A Facebook page opposing Thaksin amnesty is gathering support http://on.fb.me/vEmYfB

[Skywalker69]

Good old PTP use the cover of the floods to bring back Baig T. The red supports will be here soon telling us how great this will be for Thailand. Ying luck should man up and tell dear brother he is on his own and she being the PM will do what is best for Thailand.

Can´t be done´he put her there to become PM.

[drdoom6996]

What happened to the floods and the victims they are supposed to be helping????????????????????????????????????

[webfact]

RT @tulsathit: Chalerm condemns as "soulless" Cabinet source who leaked what was discussed at closed door meeting to reporters.

[webfact]

Multicolor Group Scrutinizes Alleged Backdoor Talks on Amnesty Decree

The leader of the so-called multicolor political movement says the government's wellbeing could be threatened should its cabinet be found to have engaged in secret talks regarding the royal decree on amnesty.

Tul Sitthisomwong, the leader of the multicolor shirt group, said his group is looking into reports of an alleged backdoor discussion between cabinet members led by Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobumrung concerning a royal decree on amnesty.

Tul added that the group has yet to consider how it will respond to the reports.

He believes the issue will get a lot of attention from the public and said the government must give explanation should the reports hold true as it is inappropriate to amend the law to help any particular individual especially during a time like this when people are still suffering from the flood.

-- Tan Network 2011-11-16

[Buchholz]

What happened to the floods and the victims they are supposed to be helping????????????????????????????????????

They're taking a back seat to more important issues.

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[webfact]

Former Justice Minister Slams Amnesty Decree

A former justice minister is confident the current Cabinet held a secret meeting yesterday to pass a Royal Decree for Royal Pardon to help former prime minster Thaksin Shinawatra.

Former justice minister and Democrat Party MP Peerapan Saleerattavipak commented on the speculation that the Cabinet held a secret meeting yesterday to pass a Royal Decree for Royal Pardon.

The decree was said to have set conditions for royal pardon to make merit and celebrate the occasion of His Majesty the King's upcoming 84th birthday on December 5 that will benefit former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

However, no Cabinet members have come out to publicly confirm such a move.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was conspicuously absent from the meeting, claiming that she could not make it back to Bangkok on time from Singburi where she was inspecting the flood situation.

It was reported that a condition set during the previous Democrat-led administration that individuals who will receive royal pardon must not be convicted of drug-related and corruption offenses was been removed.

The decree also allegedly allows those who have not served their jail terms to receive royal pardon, a condition never been allowed before.

The issue was reportedly not put on yesterday's Cabinet meeting agenda originally.

Peerapan believes Yingluck did not attend the meeting on purpose as it could show vested interest and lead to questions about intransparency of the decision.

-- Tan Network 2011-11-16

[fstarbkk]

"convicts who are at least 60 years old and are sentenced to under three years in jail"

That's not even the least subtle...!!!!

Well, they could have added that the convict's first name has to start with a T and end with an N

[ARGUSEYE]

This is Thailand and the present government won a fair election. What is being done is being decided by Thais and those of you who do not like it and/or the decisions being made should go back and put your own country to right. Obviously the Thai system is no good for you so why live in a country that you do not like when your country is obviously a paradise which was so good you had to get out and move elsewhere. As for me I accept that I am a guest here and happy with the system because it is the Thai way. When I become uncomfortable for whatever reason I will move on, maybe back to my own country. I respectfully suggest many of the posters have now reached this stage and should leave!

How do you know we are in the country, buddy??

No, of course not!! Many of us are just watching from a safe distance.

[Buchholz]

ROYAL AMNESTY

Justice Ministry to study royal amnesty details: Chalerm

The Nation

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung on Wednesday said a Justice Ministry panel will be formed to study the details of the annual royal amnesty to mark HM the King's birthday in December.

The justice minister would forward the draft for cabinet endorsement and then to Council of State. If it were in order, the Cabinet's secretary general would present it for endorsement.

Talk about back seat. It's very appropriate that the Justice Minister is the head of FROC.

Supposedly, he's not busy with that task and so has the free time to study and submit the pardon application.

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[sparebox2]

Hey, this could get bad.

Do you think I should go back to Kansas (City), (the Missouri side), while it settles itself out?

Thanks

Jack

Before PAD (& now, the multi-colored as well) shut the only airport left (DM under water). Good idea.

(Meet me in St. Louis, Louis, meet me at the fair)

[sparebox2]

He and his sister are trash and the biggest lyers in thailand thai people need to wise up.

The eyes of most Thais are cover with Thksin bank notes.

Only a Farang can see through them.

Come join us (PAD & Multi-color) at the airport on his arrival day.

[OZEMADE]

Now let's see, the Military bosses that ousted Thaksin are no longer there and his friends have replaced them. So he has control of the Military.

The Police that Assisted in his removal also have been replaced and with family members and relations. So he has control of the Police.

The Democratic Government that was put in power after the coup, have been elected out by the people and Thaksin's sister Yingluck is now the Prime Minister of Thailand. So he has control there.[/font][/size]

He will do no time in the slammer, maybe a day or so and under the new amnesty a person over 60 and who has been convicted of corruption is eligible for amnesty.

I guess we will all have to sit back and see what the outcome of the amnesty is.[/font][/size]