90 Day Reporting And Retirement Extension

[Seeker1953]

Hi all, well I should know better, I've been here a while. But I didn't and it cost me.

Getting a new Retirement Extension does not count for 90 day reporting.

It's maddening how inefficient the system is. Never mind that I'm officially there, presenting myself, providing my address and proving my finances. Never mind that them giving me a new Extension proves I'm there. It is, by common sense, reporting. But, not here.

90 Day reporting is a completely separate issue. I learned that today at the cost of 2,000 baht.

So if you're going for a new Retirement Extension, make sure you also fill out a TM 47 and go to Section A and report. Otherwise you too will learn as I did today.

I'm going to write to the 'big boss' and suggest signs be posted in the Retirement Extension area making it clear that getting an extension does not satisfy the reporting requirement.

Okay all, get your flame throwers and and fire away.

Seeker

[Langsuan Man]

No reason to flame you but even I knew that your extension of stay application does not count towards your 90 day report and I don't even do an extension of stay since I get a new O-A Visa every two years

It has been mentioned here at TV many times in many forums that the two systems are not the same

Not everyone has to do an annual extension of stay, but everyone has to do their 90 day report

[beano2274]

It is common knowledge that the two are two separate issues. You have been a member here for many years and not noticed posts others have made about the subject!!!!!

[wayned]

There are a few small offices that do tie it together. When I do my retirement extension the officer tears out the 90 day report slip, no matter what the report date is, and staples a new preprinted form the size of a passport page with the new report date 90 days from the extension date. It's happened that way for the past three years. But it is a small 2 girl office in Nakhon Sawan and they do everything and it does make sense. But I won't tell them that or they will change the procedures.

[Guest]

What ever some officials might do, as has been pointed out, the two are not related and its been mentioned here endlessly.

[NancyL]

There are a few small offices that do tie it together. When I do my retirement extension the officer tears out the 90 day report slip, no matter what the report date is, and staples a new preprinted form the size of a passport page with the new report date 90 days from the extension date. It's happened that way for the past three years. But it is a small 2 girl office in Nakhon Sawan and they do everything and it does make sense. But I won't tell them that or they will change the procedures.

Oh, how sweet! Here I thought we had it good in Chiang Mai because the Imm. officers always point out when the next 90 day report is due when you get the retirement extension and point you in the right direction to get a queue ticket if you're within the timeframe for doing the report. Otherwise, it's "see you next month!" with many smiles.

[true blue]

There are a few small offices that do tie it together. When I do my retirement extension the officer tears out the 90 day report slip, no matter what the report date is, and staples a new preprinted form the size of a passport page with the new report date 90 days from the extension date. It's happened that way for the past three years. But it is a small 2 girl office in Nakhon Sawan and they do everything and it does make sense. But I won't tell them that or they will change the procedures.

Oh, how sweet! Here I thought we had it good in Chiang Mai because the Imm. officers always point out when the next 90 day report is due when you get the retirement extension and point you in the right direction to get a queue ticket if you're within the timeframe for doing the report. Otherwise, it's "see you next month!" with many smiles.

shush nancy,if every body thinks our immigration is a doddle,we will never get a appointment.lol.keep a bit of mystery,about the place.

[SurfRider]

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As any Expat who has been in LOS for a while knows, the visa renewal process varies from office to office, region to region, and sometimes seems to change with the direction of the wind-- or at the whim of the official who is processing your request.

This past Tuesday, I did both my 90-day report and retirement extension at the Pattaya/Chonburi office. I was lucky that I arrived very early- I didn't know that the prior day was one of the many unannounced holidays where Immigration was not open, so the crowd on Tuesday was large and agitated.

I arrived at 8:10am - the office officially opens at 8:30. The lobby was filled with an unruly mob, all trying to get a queue number. A lot of pushing and bickering about who's before who. I managed to get a 90-day ticket in about 5 minutes. I waited about 10 minutes until the crowd started to disperse and went back for an "Extension" ticket. In the past, they wouldn't let me hold more than one ticket at the same time, so I went to a different agent and was able to get a 2nd ticket.

I was 5th in line for the 90-day and it only took about 3 minutes, after a 15 minute wait. I had all four currently required documents, but from what I could see, he didn't even look at anything other than the application.

One minute after the 90-day process was completed, my number for the Extension came up. I had to make one extra copy of a passport page that took about 5 minutes. There were 3 desks involved. They forgot to give me 100 Baht change from the 2000 Baht I gave them - I had to ask for it. When I got to the 3rd desk, she asked if I had already paid, even though she had both receipts marked "paid" in her hand. She applied the stamps and scribbling and I was out the door at 8:50.

As I made my way out, the place was jammed-- there must have been at least 200 people waiting in the lobby and seats. I've never seen so many people there at the same time. In the past, it has always been necessary to return either in the afternoon or the next day to pick up your passport - but, that inconvenience has (at least temporarily) been eliminated.

Given the milling throng chomping at the bit at 8:50am, I was very happy that I got there as early as I did or otherwise I might have spent the entire morning there.

This was the most streamlined the process has ever been in my 7 years of renewals. It's nice to see them finally making an effort to make an unpleasant process a bit easier. I hope it stays that way.

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[personchester]

There are a few small offices that do tie it together. When I do my retirement extension the officer tears out the 90 day report slip, no matter what the report date is, and staples a new preprinted form the size of a passport page with the new report date 90 days from the extension date. It's happened that way for the past three years. But it is a small 2 girl office in Nakhon Sawan and they do everything and it does make sense. But I won't tell them that or they will change the procedures.

Oh, how sweet! Here I thought we had it good in Chiang Mai because the Imm. officers always point out when the next 90 day report is due when you get the retirement extension and point you in the right direction to get a queue ticket if you're within the timeframe for doing the report. Otherwise, it's "see you next month!" with many smiles.

The 90 day's desk officers do the same, they point out the date to renew your annual visa extension if due before the next 90 days, and put a second date stamp on your 90 days slip showing the visa renewal date, that is indeed helpful for those chaps that keep forgetting their renewal dates for those applications.

[cigar7]

I have a retirement visa expiring April 27, 2012, issued by Jomtien immigration office. What is the earliest date that I can get it renewed or extended for another year?

[Jingthing]

I have a retirement visa expiring April 27, 2012, issued by Jomtien immigration office. What is the earliest date that I can get it renewed or extended for another year?

The general national rule is one month before expiration. Jomtien has in recent years welcomed applications as early as two months before expiration without any excuse. However, such enforcement policies can and do change sometimes. Because of that, I would say you can be 100 percent certain one month early is OK and longer than that under two months, a slight bit less certain.

[cigar7]

I have a retirement visa expiring April 27, 2012, issued by Jomtien immigration office. What is the earliest date that I can get it renewed or extended for another year?

The general national rule is one month before expiration. Jomtien has in recent years welcomed applications as early as two months before expiration without any excuse. However, such enforcement policies can and do change sometimes. Because of that, I would say you can be 100 percent certain one month early is OK and longer than that under two months, a slight bit less certain.

Currenly, I am in Pattaya, but I am scheduled to leave March 1, 2012. I am planning to return about April 19, 2012. I'll try to get a renewal about Feb. 27, 2012. In the event that the renewal is denied, when I re-enter Thailand by air April 19, 2012, should I get just a 30 day stamp, or should I refer to the multiple re-entry permit, which also has an expiry date of April 27, 2012? Also based on my April 19, 2012 arrival I plan to depart May 1, 2012. Will there be any complications using the 30 day stamp approach, since my airline ticket indicates my stay will be longer than 30 days?

[Jingthing]

Try for the extension Feb. 27. Since that is indeed about two months early (how many days exactly is it, too lazy to count it myself) be sure to bring in your AIR TICKET info in case showing evidence of need will help. I think you will also need a new reentry permit for the new permission to stay so that when you reenter you don't lose that new extension. Using a 30 day stamp would make you need to completely start over. Not a tragedy as a new O can be done at Jomtien but not recommended if you can avoid it. If they say you are too early on Feb 27, use your existing reentry permit on arrival back in Thailand to keep your permission to stay alive till April 27 and avoid the need to start over with a new O. Then you still have a few days to apply for your new annual extension between April 19 and April 27.

[Maestro]

Yes, I would do exactly like Jingthing suggested.

[cigar7]

I have a retirement visa expiring April 27, 2012, issued by Jomtien immigration office. What is the earliest date that I can get it renewed or extended for another year?

The general national rule is one month before expiration. Jomtien has in recent years welcomed applications as early as two months before expiration without any excuse. However, such enforcement policies can and do change sometimes. Because of that, I would say you can be 100 percent certain one month early is OK and longer than that under two months, a slight bit less certain.

Currenly, I am in Pattaya, but I am scheduled to leave March 1, 2012. I am planning to return about April 19, 2012. I'll try to get a renewal about Feb. 27, 2012. In the event that the renewal is denied, when I re-enter Thailand by air April 19, 2012, should I get just a 30 day stamp, or should I refer to the multiple re-entry permit, which also has an expiry date of April 27, 2012? Also based on my April 19, 2012 arrival I plan to depart May 1, 2012. Will there be any complications using the 30 day stamp approach, since my airline ticket indicates my stay will be longer than 30 days?

I went to Chonburi immigration office in Jomtien on February 29, 2012, arriving about 7:55 a.m., to extend my retirement visa and re-entry permit which were to expire April 27, 2012. The office opened at 8 a.m. but only starts processing patrons at 8:30 a.m.. 10 people had arrived before me, but I was the first in the retirement visa queue. I was called to desk 6 at 8:35 a.m. and had a new "extension of stay" related to my retirement visa in my passport by 9 a.m. at a cost 1,900 baht.

Next, I got a photcopy of the extension and got into the re-entry permit queue. I was called to desk number 3 at 9:40 a.m., paid 3,800 baht, and received my passport back with a new multiple re-entry permit at 10 a.m..

The whole process was very fast compared to previous visits.

The new extension of stay and re-entry permit expire April 27, 2013.

I was informed, that at this immigration office, renewal of retirement visas should be done 1 month before expiry. However, you can get a renewal up to 2 months before expiry of your current retirement visa, if you have documentary proof that you cannot comply with the 1 month prior to expiry timeframe. An air ticket showing your departure is adequate documentation. Note that no one asked to see my departing air ticket.

[Jingthing]

That's new information that they do/might ask for an excuse to do two month early extension applications. Previously, the information was two months early, no excuse needed. Obviously, one month early is standard and never any question.

[lopburi3]

Flame/reply removed.

[Robby nz]

A little off topic but on 90 day reports.

I called our local office (lopburi) to ask what would happen if I was out of the country on the 90 day reporting date and was told that the 90 days starts from the day you reenter the country.

Is this correct?

I seem to remember in the distant past having problems with this before.

[Jingthing]

A little off topic but on 90 day reports.

I called our local office (lopburi) to ask what would happen if I was out of the country on the 90 day reporting date and was told that the 90 days starts from the day you reenter the country.

Is this correct?

I seem to remember in the distant past having problems with this before.

Yes, that is correct. Simply count 90 days from when you reenter and that is your new reporting date.

[beechguy]

A little off topic but on 90 day reports.

I called our local office (lopburi) to ask what would happen if I was out of the country on the 90 day reporting date and was told that the 90 days starts from the day you reenter the country.

Is this correct?

I seem to remember in the distant past having problems with this before.

What is it that is so hard for people to undersand about 90 day address reports? If your here 90 days or more you report, if not you don't. Yes the count starts again when entering the country.

[cigar7]

In fact, I leave Thailand before I stay in Thailand for 90 days, just to avoid the 90 day report requirement. I have never done a 90 day report because I take a trip to another country within 90 days after arriving in Thailand.

[NancyL]

In fact, I leave Thailand before I stay in Thailand for 90 days, just to avoid the 90 day report requirement. I have never done a 90 day report because I take a trip to another country within 90 days after arriving in Thailand.

Wow, depending upon where you live, that can be an expensive way to avoid filing a no-charge report!