Australia jails three for army base terror plot

[News_Editor]

Australia jails three for army base terror plot

2011-12-17 08:01:52 GMT+7 (ICT)

SYDNEY (BNO NEWS) -- Three men who plotted a suicide attack against an army base in the Australian city of Sydney were sentenced on Friday to 18 years in prison, the Australian Associated Press (APP) reported.

The three man planned to kill as many people as possible during a mass shooting at the Holsworthy Barracks, which is located in the outer south-western Sydney suburb of Holsworthy. They were ordered to serve a non-parole period of 13.5 years after they were found guilty of conspiring to prepare for or plan a terrorist act between February and August 2009.

One of the defendants, 35-year-old Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, had to be removed from the court after he began ranting about Palestine and Afghanistan, APP reported. The other defendants were identified as 28-year-old Saney Edow Aweys and 27-year-old Nayef El Sayed.

Supreme Court Justice Betty King said it would have been a 'totally horrific event' if their planning had ever come to pass. She said all three showed no remorse and had not renounced their extremist beliefs, the news report said.

During a three-month trial in 2010, the court heard the men wanted to advance Islam, which they believe is under attack from the West, including Australia. Most of the prosecution case relied on transcripts of secretly recorded telephone conversations.

The men were arrested in pre-dawn raids across Melbourne in August 2009. Two other Melbourne men were cleared by a jury over their alleged roles in the plot.

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[chooka]

These people came in ilegally claiming asylum and refugee status. Were taken in and provided with free housing, medical, education and money. Then they stated that they hated Australia and Australians and wanted to kill as many as possible in the name of Islam. Just thier way of saying thankyou. There are hundred's of these people arrival every month with the same list of demands without any form of identification. The Australian Government has to be the biggest pack of clowns welcoming these people in who are just waiting to stab Australia in the back.

[Steely Dan]

How was Australian culture failing these people? Perhaps they were not being given enough handouts or was it that they were obliged to follow local laws instead of the different but equal laws of their own culture? I guess the above must be close to the truth as invariably in these cases introspection is the minimum acceptable response as putting the blame or responsibility on the culture of the individuals would be racist or bigoted.

[Credo]

The sentence is quite lenient. The youngest one will only be 40 when he is released. He will be young enough to strap on a suicide belt and do his intended damage. Unless there is a really, really good rehabilitation program, they will have no life or future on the outside which isn't a good indicator considering their current state of mind.

It does not state that they were refugees, or whether they were born in Australia. If they have a home country, they should be returned before they see freedom in Australia.

[softgeorge]

The sentence is quite lenient. The youngest one will only be 40 when he is released. He will be young enough to strap on a suicide belt and do his intended damage. Unless there is a really, really good rehabilitation program, they will have no life or future on the outside which isn't a good indicator considering their current state of mind.

It does not state that they were refugees, or whether they were born in Australia. If they have a home country, they should be returned before they see freedom in Australia.

Covert recordings were played that outlined their plan and detailed their extreme religious and political views, and an expressed hatred of Australian people and non-Muslims.

Justice Betty King, sentencing the men in Victoria's Supreme Court yesterday, told them: ''All of you believe in the principle of martyrdom.

''All of you believe it is your obligation to oppose and deal with those you describe as infidels, being persons who are not of the Muslim faith, or those of the Muslim faith who do not observe the faith in what you perceive as an appropriate manner, or adhere to the strong and fundamentalist views that you all hold.

''The fact that Australia welcomed all of you and nurtured you and your families is something that should cause you all to hang your heads in shame, that this was the way you planned to show your thanks.''

I believe from the justices remarks:- ''The fact that Australia welcomed all of you and nurtured you and your families." This would indicate that they were indeed refugees or assylum seekers. She would have been presented with and read thier backgrounds.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/hang-your-heads-in-shame-judge-tells-terrorist-plotters-20111216-1oyst.html#ixzz1gmCyLOit

[koheesti]

Unfortunately, it is simly risky nowadays to accept refugess or immigrants from certain religious backgrounds.

[luckizuchinni]

As a young man in the USA, I thought those who advocated limiting immigration to be elitist racists who forgot that our country was made up mostly of immigrant stock. However, and this pains me to write, I am shifting my views. When I read about things like this, when I see what is happening in the UK, well, maybe people from certain demographics should not be admitted.

This is not fair to the millions of immigrants from those demographics who embrace and contribute to their new country. I realize this, and that bothers me.

I don't know what the answer is. Certainly, some of the violence espousing kooks in the UK need to be deported, citizens now or not. But how do you stop the flow of radicals like these and protect your population?

[Steely Dan]

As a young man in the USA, I thought those who advocated limiting immigration to be elitist racists who forgot that our country was made up mostly of immigrant stock. However, and this pains me to write, I am shifting my views. When I read about things like this, when I see what is happening in the UK, well, maybe people from certain demographics should not be admitted.

This is not fair to the millions of immigrants from those demographics who embrace and contribute to their new country. I realize this, and that bothers me.

I don't know what the answer is. Certainly, some of the violence espousing kooks in the UK need to be deported, citizens now or not. But how do you stop the flow of radicals like these and protect your population?

You appear to be on the same path of thought I traveled down. The dilemma is I would march with minorities being targeted by xenophobes and racists, but when groups come to a society with no intention of integrating and with the sole intent of changing it to conform with their own racism or prejudices then I will stand against them as strongly as possible. Such realities have been hidden by the PC multiculturalism lobby for too long, but finally I see hope that a tipping point is being reached in people's awareness of the problem and governments will soon be forced to honestly address these issues.

[weegee]

Now you might start to understand, what the older generation of Australia was on about....

We have been around long enough to see the horrific changes in many countries, and because of some narrow minded (usually University student) person, you all follow because you think it wont affect you personally..

Now it's time to reap the fruits of not listening to your piers....

As a young man in the USA, I thought those who advocated limiting immigration to be elitist racists who forgot that our country was made up mostly of immigrant stock. However, and this pains me to write, I am shifting my views. When I read about things like this, when I see what is happening in the UK, well, maybe people from certain demographics should not be admitted.

This is not fair to the millions of immigrants from those demographics who embrace and contribute to their new country. I realize this, and that bothers me.

I don't know what the answer is. Certainly, some of the violence espousing kooks in the UK need to be deported, citizens now or not. But how do you stop the flow of radicals like these and protect your population?

You appear to be on the same path of thought I traveled down. The dilemma is I would march with minorities being targeted by xenophobes and racists, but when groups come to a society with no intention of integrating and with the sole intent of changing it to conform with their own racism or prejudices then I will stand against them as strongly as possible. Such realities have been hidden by the PC multiculturalism lobby for too long, but finally I see hope that a tipping point is being reached in people's awareness of the problem and governments will soon be forced to honestly address these issues.

[Credo]

I am a liberal and I believe that refugees, once screened to determine they are indeed political refugees and not economic migrants, should be resettled in a 3rd country. That said, no country should be forced to take them simply because they set out for and reached the shores of that country.

A country's first obligation is to take care of its existing citizens. Australia is pretty tough on refugees, but I think that is because of experience rather than intolerance.

Those people who are not genuine political refugees should be returned to their country of origin. We have certainly spent a lot of time, money and lost lives to see that Afghanistan and Iraq, for example, are on the right course. There will always be discrimination, but I wonder how many of these people actually face persecution.

One of the difference is that people who face persecution are generally very happy to be in a resettlement country. There are also programs to help with assimilation and understanding of the new culture. Immigrants who join family, are not always afforded the same cultural training.