Thailand To Block E-pornography By Year-end

[SEAtramp]

Thats a ridiculous analagy to make. If any dogging activity was recorded and watched later it would be watched by straight men who would view and pervcieve the woman involved in a degrading way. They same way they would view your wife or girlfriend if someone taped the two of you having sex and watched at a later date. Unless you are gay of course. Since when was dogging perverted anyway? It is a socially acceptable activity that is not financially motivated and has the consent of all ADULTS involved.

[sierra01]

I have been an active member of the dogging community (I prefer the term voyeurism) in the UK for a few years now. It is an activity that is widely accepted and is much different than pornography. Pornography is obscene because it degrades women. Dogging is quite different where people take part for their own free will. There is no financial obligation or exploitation on any side unlike pornography. This is why pornography is obscene and dogging isn't. Children, monks and the mentially unwell dont have access to dogging communities the same way that they have access to pornography and other web based temptations and this is why the government is cracking down. Whether they see the difference between dogging and hardcore pornography we shall all have to awat, i just hope the government can see the glaringly obvious differences.

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Well, you learn something new every day. Just to make sure I have learnt something new today can you confirm that if both parties agree to have sex, have it filmed and then published or posted on the internet, then it's not classed as pornography please?

[SEAtramp]

Of course it would be. You know it would be. Pornography is the explicit depiction or exhibition of sexual activity in literature, films or photography that is intended to stimulate erotic, rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

In this state it is no longer dogging, dogging is being phyically there during the ACT and not the exibition through a recorded medium for widespread distribution and post event recolection.

It's really not that hard to understand.

[TAWP]

Thats a ridiculous analagy to make. If any dogging activity was recorded and watched later it would be watched by straight men who would view and pervcieve the woman involved in a degrading way. They same way they would view your wife or girlfriend if someone taped the two of you having sex and watched at a later date. Unless you are gay of course. Since when was dogging perverted anyway? It is a socially acceptable activity that is not financially motivated and has the consent of all ADULTS involved.

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I laugh out loud as to how Victorian you are.

Watching a taped dogging-session is degrading to the woman, but watching live isn't? Right...I thought the degradation was in the act, not in how it was viewed.

Besides, if my wife watches it, is it still degrading? She is clearly not a heterosexual man.

And besides you somehow missed it, ADULT-movies are made with full concent of the actors involved.

The rationalisation on some peoples argument eludes me...=)

[SEAtramp]

Dogging is an adult lifestyle choice that is hardly Victorian. May I suggest you actually understand the concept of the terminoligy you are attempting to apply to your argument.

The degredation of women comes from the fact that many are forced into pornography for economic means. There is no financial impact in dogging. It is a clean sport that doenst have the degredation, exploitation and abuse of women that the pornography industry has. If you think that adult movies are made with full consent of the actors involved you are even more naive than i originally thougght. And I thought you were pretty naive to begin with.

Women are attracted to dogging because they like the thrill of being watched by people who are actually there at the scene. If someone taped the event and played it to people at a later date or posted on the internet then this would not constitute dogging or the thrill of dogging (infact it would break the dogging code) and would be exploitation of the woman involved.

Do you understand now? I would be more than happy to explain further if there is anything else you are unsure of. I dont wish to be condecending but there are many open minded aults like myself in the world that will probably be viewed as different by the more conservative people such as yourself. Jus because we are different doenst mean we are into explotation or perversion.

[TAWP]

First of all, you are the conservative one. Just becouse you have a perversion doesn't mean that you still aren't throwing around conservative ideas.

No, pornography isn't per defualt degrading to women, as you constantly try to imply. (I'm not even going to point out the obious that the amatour-market has exploded the latest years, with married couples doing all the 'acting'. But I'm sure they are all forced into this...not like yourself that only has a healthy hobby that you get your kicks out off.)

It's all nice that you have found a hobby, but there is no need to try to rationalise it by attacking other things to perputuate that you are moraly higher.

If you ever tape yourself and the wife, let us hope she doesn't watch the tape. Wouldn't want her to degrade herself.

[sierra01]

Of course it would be. You know it would be. Pornography is the explicit depiction or exhibition of sexual activity in literature, films or photography that is intended to stimulate erotic, rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

In this state it is no longer dogging, dogging is being phyically there during the ACT and not the exibition through a recorded medium for widespread distribution and post event recolection.

It's really not that hard to understand.

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ok. When you are personally present during a dogging session do you not get erotically stimulated? If you don't then what pleasure/feelings do you personally get from watching 2 consenting adults having sex?

I'm trying to understand why you don't see dogging as pornography. Sexual intercourse between 2 consenting adults, in private (no audience), isn't pornographic (to my way of thinking anyway). With an audience, be it people actually there watching, or people seeing the act by way of pictures or movies, is pornographic.

[SEAtramp]

Why have you avoided the fact that many women are coerced into pornography for economic means and can only cite the relatively small portion of the market that involves married couples as your defence on the subject. Are you willing to state on record that certain markets in pornography are not degrading to women? Or that many women the world over find pornography degrading to their sex?

I dont need to rationalise my hobby by attacking other things. I was clearly showing the differences between the two very different activities.

I'm not married as I believe in free love but if I was I wouldnt degrade my wife by taping her. And if I did tape her i wouldt degrade her by showing the tape to a THIRD PARTY. And if she did want me to show the tape to a third party she would most definitely be in the minority. Wouldnt you agree?

[SEAtramp]

I'm trying to understand why you don't see dogging as pornography

Bacause pornography is the explicit depiction or exhibition of sexual activity in literature, films or photography.

[Tornado]

Ill try and be a "big boy" SEAtramp, I promise.

So SEAtramp is a wannabe porn star (as long as its not degrading to women).

I often say to the wife "honey, the 90% of the farangs in Thailand are only 10 percent of what the world is really like." I apologise.

oh BTW, heres a link to your liking.. Its not porn so its ok!

http://www.dogging-central.com/

BTW, TAWP is kicking your ass..

[SEAtramp]

A wannabe pornstar? Please give one example where I have stated i want to be a pornstar? Honestly pornado, I dont know where you get it all from! TAWP is kicking my ass? Really? Some bufoon I have never met is 'kicking my ass' on an internet web forum. Oooh NERD alert. Kicking my ass indeed. How you could possibly even consider thinking such a statement without cringing is beyond me.

[sierra01]

I'm trying to understand why you don't see dogging as pornography

Bacause pornography is the explicit depiction or exhibition of sexual activity in literature, films or photography.

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Going back to your original question, why don't you contact the Ministry of Social Development and Human Services and ask if dogging is acceptable here?

[SEAtramp]

Would that be the same ministry that wants to censor pornography that according to other on this thread as being a adult consenting husband and wife affair?

[Tornado]

A wannabe pornstar? Please give one example where I have stated i want to be a pornstar? Honestly pornado, I dont know where you get it all from! TAWP is kicking my ass? Really? Some bufoon I have never met is 'kicking my ass' on an internet web forum. Oooh NERD alert. Kicking my ass indeed. How you could possibly even consider thinking such a statement without cringing is beyond me.

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[SEAtramp]

Is that all you can come up with, you must be bored. Why not go back to 'kicking ass' on your x-box, stop wasting bandwith here with 'smileys' and leave the adult conversations to the adults. Or I may have to kick your ass again.

[sierra01]

Probably, but my advice was serious, and please post their reply.

Edited November 27, 2005 by sierra01

[Tornado]

Is that all you can come up with, you must be bored. Why not go back to  'kicking ass' on your x-box, stop wasting bandwith here with 'smileys' and leave the adult conversations to the adults. Or I may have to kick your ass again.

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apologies, heres a present.

A new avatar and nick.

fabio grooverider

edit, sorry this nick has already been taken = http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-f...e/18649/40.html

[SEAtramp]

and what does that adolecent pathetic reply have to do with anything? Why would I want to associate myself with two 90's jungle techno DJ's is beyond me. Although you have just proved to me and others the level of maturity you are limited to. Keep em coming, must be at least an hour before mummy calls you down for dinner.

Sierra, I think it is safe to say they would not approve. The same way they dont approve of prerecorded material of consenting adlts fornicating, drinking after 1am and various times during the day on weekends etc etc. Just because some crackpot department doenst agree with something doenst mean its not socially acceptable for likeminded adults and the general population.

[sbk]

Flaming had better stop on this thread or it will be closed forthwith.

[TAWP]

Well, this wasn't what I wanted...

Anyway, have fun with your hobby. Anybody doing whatever they want that is between concenting adults have my support. And let us hope the goverments around the world one day...agree.

[Tornado]

it was fun for me... Dirk Diggler

[bulmercke]

peer2peer file sharing configurations....

there are gonna have to be really clever gooks out there!

[Maejo Man]

34 days to the deadline. Have we seen any mass blocking moves yet? I'd say that the number one for blocking will be the local dogging site.

Is dogging illegal?

Dogging somewhat of a legal grey area, and the laws regarding public sex, nudity, lewdness, and their enforcement, vary by jurisdiction. In the UK, there are laws against public sex but they mostly are concerned with protecting "unwilling witnesses" from seeing acts of lewdness. We're not sure how this would be applied to sex in front of willing witnesses. However, if there is a complaint, you may be prosecuted. And in some areas the local police have been stepping up patrols to discourage activity at notorious dogging hangouts.

A rather weird hobby, but each to their own, as long as they dont "dog" in my backyard, and you want to know if it's ok to host a site of this ilk on a Thai server

[Jai Dee]

ICT MINISTER ASKED WEBMASTERS TO BLOCK SITES CONTAINING EXPLICIT CONTENTS

ICT Minister Sora_at Klinprathum (สรอรรถ กลิ่นประทุม) has called in web masters to ask them to block sites containing explicit contents, in efforts to prevent crime.

The Information and Communications Technology Minister yesterday called in owners of websites and related government units to seek measures in preventing porn sites currently on the spread. As no concrete law has been enacted on enforcement, the minister asked all parties to keep in mind good morals and not to emphasize only on commercial benefits.

Yesterday webmasters who attended the meeting with ICT officials indicated that the websites of some governmental units were able to link to explicit content, and thus these sites should be looked into.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 01 December 2005

[Maejo Man]

Thailand to block e-pornography by year-end

BANGKOK: --  Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra on Friday vowed to block all access to website pornography by year-end, although details on how the government will do so remain fuzzy.

--Bangkok Post /DPA 2005-11-25

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January 3rd 2006

Another brilliant government success story

[dr_Pat_Pong]

The Christmas/New Year holidays slowed things down a bit

[tuky]

The Christmas/New Year holidays slowed things down a bit 

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As will Maka Bucha Day, then Songkran....

[markuk]

Thailand to block e-pornography by year-end

BANGKOK: --  Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra on Friday vowed to block all access to website pornography by year-end, although details on how the government will do so remain fuzzy.

Watana Muangsook, Thai Minister of Social Development and Human Services, told reporters that the prime minister had instructed him to find the means to block access to Internet porn by the end of December.

The minister will hold a meeting on November 30 with various Internet related authorities such as the Information and Communications Technology (ICT) Ministry to discuss means of carrying out the prime minister's instructions.

Watana estimated that there are currently 800,000 foreign websites available in Thailand, of which one third carry pornographic images.

Thailand is mulling a cyber-crime bill that would make posting pornography illegal.

End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes (ECPAT), a leading child's rights protection group, earlier this month launched a report on cyber-abuse of children that called on governments and the e-industry to clean up the 3 to 20 billion dollar business in cyberspace child pornography which they call child abuse.

In an ECPAT report launched earlier this month in Bangkok, the child protection group listed Thailand as one of the countries with the most pornography sites.

"Of this material, 55 per cent is reported to be generated from the United States and 23 per cent from Russia," said the report, titled "Violence Against Children in Cyberspace. "Most 'free to view' sites were traced to ISPs in Russia, the U.S., Spain, Thailand, Japan and the Republic of Korea," it added.

The group cited the United Kingdom as one of the few countries to take a lead in both legislating against cyberspace child pornography and self-regulating the flow on ISPs (Internet Service Providers).

--Bangkok Post /DPA 2005-11-25

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Oh well better find a girlfreind then!!

[monty]

Something strange is going on here...

They're talking on blocking porn-sites, yet a lot of sites which had been blocked are now freely available

I'm not going to post links, but the two biggest sites which collect links to thumbnail galleries of Asian female beauty are freely accesible. Just shortly ago you would have been redirected to the web police's screen saying that the site is blocked.

Go figure

[astral]

Strange, one of the UK police forces issued a report just before Christmas

stating that was no link between pronography and sex offences.

So why all the fuss?