Yingluck To Face Impeachment Concerning The Reissue Of Thaksin's Passport

[animatic]

As much as many would like twist my point to other directions.

It was aimed at 'Thaksin NOT being the legal Prime Minister of Thailand' at the time of the coup. He had unilaterally assumed the job with no legal mandate whatsoever.

So the osfucations have come ENTIRELY from his side of the line on this point.

Edited December 30, 2011 by animatic

[surangw]

Easy remedy ( fantasy) she misses him so much, kick her out of thailand also.

[hellodolly]

interesting how people look at the charge of embezzlement, yet fail to remember he did more for the lower class people of thailand than anyone in recent history. the real criminals are the people who took part in and initiated the coup.

I wasn't here would you care to list them.

You can start of by explaining why my mother in law cost me more than 30 baht every time she goes to the hospital.

[hellodolly]

Obviously JAG was not in Thailand at the moment. The coup was welcomed by most people.

Don't compare a Thai coup with one in south America or Africa.

It was the duty of the army to step in. There is no argument against that.

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

I think you meant simple minded. It is the duty of the army to protect the country. that is what they did. Remember

Thaksin had no mandate to be PM that was what he decided to do. He should be happy he failed he might have wound up like Gaddafi in Lybia.

[Oberkommando]

Amazing the lengths they go to to obfuscate and obliquely justify the coup.

It will be interesting and probably entertaining to see their efforts justifying the next coup and the consequent street violence.

Love the "....this abject arrogance, and defiance of constitutional protocols......." , a statement which could not possibly apply to those that held the reins prior to the emergence of a populist politician.

Absolutely. This.

[anon467367354]

Taskin was the first Thai politician to realise that a constituency existed outside Bangkok.Thai Rak Thai was the first government to introduce a pension scheme, a national health scheme, rice stablisation price scheme, village grants to set up community industry and other rural based schemes. So whatever you think about Taskin, I can assure you the majority of Thais will welcome Taskin back with open arms.

What pensions? the 30 baht scam cost the hospital way more than 30 baht to do all the paperwork for that one, and I think you forgot the truckloads of rice being dumped in the capital by the farmers that couldn't sell it. I've been around Thailand, what community industry are you referring to, the one he sold to Singapore?

[anon467367354]

This woman may be smart in business but in politics she is dumber than dogshit! It doesn't matter if she knew about it or not <wink>...as PM she is ultimately responsible for her actions and those of her party in the parliament. Or as Harry Truman said, "The Buck stops here!" Oh...my bad! I forgot this is Thailand where no one is responsible for their actions.

The only thing dumber than dog shit is the utter failure of Thai people to accept who is in government and us non-Thais who get caught up in it.

God forbid we protect our home and our family's home as well. I get tired of that illogical failure to "get it". If this is the case, cancel all world news and only have news that happens in one's country and nothing else.

[Jingthing]

Posting error.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Jingthing

[anon467367354]

No respectable government is going to turn a blind eye to yet another Thai coup, as many such governments did in September of 2006. If there's another coup in Thailand then the land of smiles becomes the new old Burma/Myanmar. The Thai military does need to be checked and subordinated to civilian authority, so now is a good a time as any to accomplish the radical change. Thailand simply needs the structure and power flow of a "normal" democracy, come hell or high water.

Were Thaksin to return (when, actually), he'd shock and surprise everyone if he became a Nelson Mandella, whom Thaksin cynically pretends to both respect and like. (Has Mandella ever said anything of Thaksin? If so, I've never heard of or seen anything of it.) Thaksin is a moral vacuum that sucks in only power and money.

Pheu Thai is the legitimately and democratically elected government of Thailand that has an electoral mandate to govern the country. The people who voted for Badluck Yingluck accept her as Thailand's first female PM so are willing to temper their criticism of her inexperience in government. PTP needs to turn away from Thaksin for the good of the country, however, PTP isn't ever going to do that.

Thailand needs a unifying figure who has the stature of a Mandella, a Vaclav Havel, a Suu Kyi.But there isn't a single soul to consider. Methinks the tsunami of 2004 and the floods that still affect us may suggest Thailand's only way out of its never ending conundrum of expediency over any considered or rational approach. These people can't reconcile themselves, period, because they have only self interest whilst paying lip service to notions of an accommodating society..

If only someone, once, would obey a law. The place is moral and legal anarchy, always and only worsening.

I still find it interesting that inspite of he blatant vote buying, populist lies and the failure to openly express political views in a public debate is still a legitimately and democratically elected government. There is nothing democratic about vote buying.

[ttelise]

Obviously JAG was not in Thailand at the moment. The coup was welcomed by most people.

Don't compare a Thai coup with one in south America or Africa.

It was the duty of the army to step in. There is no argument against that.

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

[ttelise]

This woman may be smart in business but in politics she is dumber than dogshit! It doesn't matter if she knew about it or not <wink>...as PM she is ultimately responsible for her actions and those of her party in the parliament. Or as Harry Truman said, "The Buck stops here!" Oh...my bad! I forgot this is Thailand where no one is responsible for their actions.

The only thing dumber than dog shit is the utter failure of Thai people to accept who is in government and us non-Thais who get caught up in it.

God forbid we protect our home and our family's home as well. I get tired of that illogical failure to "get it". If this is the case, cancel all world news and only have news that happens in one's country and nothing else.

Protect nothing. Cause more harm than good. When people endure and accept their mistakes, mistakes will be less likely in the future.

[TAWP]

I don't think anyone of importance in Thailand pays much attention to the bitter sentiments expressed by middle aged and elderly caucasian foreign males frustrated by events they are unable to cope with, so you might just want to chill before some of your clogged arteries blow.

Another typical GK post.

Com'on, post a picture of yourself so we can see how a successful person looks like, pretty please?

[TAWP]

Gosh, and here's silly old me thinking that the 2006 coup was merely a power grab by the old guard because they thought (correctly) that Mr Shinawatra was once again going to win the imminent election! How naive of me, whatever made me think that the Thai electorate might give two fingers to the coup enthusiasts, its not as if they have done it (twice) since.

Never mind, that nice Mr Vejjajiva will be along soon, helped no doubt by the generals. we can call it a "necessary suspension of democracy", sounds so much better than the military overthrowing an elected government!

Perhaps you need to remind yourself why Thaksin dissolved the parliament mere months after winning a landslide (a real one).

Clue: It has to do with the 90-day rule and the changing mood in his fractional party (glorified pre-arranged coalition of many powerlords and their MPs).

[TAWP]

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

In the US the Armed forces are sworn to protect the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I say it is their duty to oust a dictator etc.

In Thailand the armed forces swear allegiance to King and Country. Again, I think it is their duty to oust anyone that threatens this. Read wikileaks if you want more details.

[janverbeem]

Gosh, and here's silly old me thinking that the 2006 coup was merely a power grab by the old guard because they thought (correctly) that Mr Shinawatra was once again going to win the imminent election! How naive of me, whatever made me think that the Thai electorate might give two fingers to the coup enthusiasts, its not as if they have done it (twice) since.

Never mind, that nice Mr Vejjajiva will be along soon, helped no doubt by the generals. we can call it a "necessary suspension of democracy", sounds so much better than the military overthrowing an elected government!

Perhaps you need to remind yourself why Thaksin dissolved the parliament mere months after winning a landslide (a real one).

Clue: It has to do with the 90-day rule and the changing mood in his fractional party (glorified pre-arranged coalition of many powerlords and their MPs).

Does he have to report to immigration?

[Abduljabbar01]

Typical Yingluck responses...

I didn't know,

I was not involved,

and my favorite

It's not responsibility

Thai politicians should at least put some effort into their lies and dismissals.

I wonder who is going to judge the impeachment proceedings? Parliament? The Corruption commission guys?

Funny, that is the typical Thai persons response to anything. Total lack of responsibility. When I hear that from a Thai, I would just love to bitch slap her.

[TAWP]

Does he have to report to immigration?

That got a chuckle. I presume the law-makers have a habit of using the same set of arbitrary numbers for things, because they 'feel good'.

(The 90-day rule for MP's is anti-democratic.)

[philw]

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

In the US the Armed forces are sworn to protect the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I say it is their duty to oust a dictator etc.

In Thailand the armed forces swear allegiance to King and Country. Again, I think it is their duty to oust anyone that threatens this. Read wikileaks if you want more details.

You seem to be perfectly happy with the concept of a military dictatorship and the idea that it's acceptable for the military wing to override the wishes of the people.

Fair enough and respect your view.

I'm not an American and we had our civil war a couple of hundred years before USA over this point ( among others ).

Looks like we would have been on opposite sides of the barricades.

Regarding Thailand, in my opinion, unless and until the army are emasculated and entirely removed from politics there is little hope for the country because they will always act if they don't like a particular development.

Imagine what would happen if a European style socialist government got elected.....

Think our little paradise would get very hot indeed.

[nurofiend]

The money was merely resting in my account........

father ted?

[wxyz]

"Yingluck to Face Impeachment"

don't say it unless you mean it

[nurofiend]

Obviously JAG was not in Thailand at the moment. The coup was welcomed by most people.

Don't compare a Thai coup with one in south America or Africa.

It was the duty of the army to step in. There is no argument against that.

There was an election in 4 weeks.

Please describe again the duty of the army to step in...

Oh dear me. Pray tell what arrangements miffed, lapsed, caretaker pm Thaksin had taken to arrange such an election?

are you saying he was against the planned election?

why would he have been, when he would have won it...

i'm sure you're intelligent enough to see the crystal clear obviousness of the timing of the coup.

[chainarong]

so was it legal to issue the passport or not?

He skipped bail conditions, set by the government of the day and high tailed it from Hong Kong to the UK, why Hong Kong, he was allowed to attend the Olympic games in China, enough said

[IMA_FARANG]

Well, as Lloyd Bridges said In the movie "Airplane",

"Well, It looks like the old s---t will really hit the fan, this time, doen't it?"

Edited December 31, 2011 by IMA_FARANG

[geriatrickid]

I don't think anyone of importance in Thailand pays much attention to the bitter sentiments expressed by middle aged and elderly caucasian foreign males frustrated by events they are unable to cope with, so you might just want to chill before some of your clogged arteries blow.

Another typical GK post.

Com'on, post a picture of yourself so we can see how a successful person looks like, pretty please?

You missed out the 1st line as you edited my statement.

Some of these comments are really disturbed.

The derisive and insulting comments directed at the PM's gender, or the angry condescending statements made in respect to Thais' capability are typically not made by females or younger people. Nor would some of the quasi racist comments be typically uttered by Africans. I stand by my demographic assessment that the most warped, abrasive and abusive comments are being made by males aged 45-75, and caucasian. I'll even narrow the caucasian part down, as some Indians and Middle Easterners might be offended; the caucasians are mostly made up of western European white males. By European, I include those of European descent in North America, Australia, and NZ as well. Check out the demographics of the most virulent people on these threads and it comes down to the standard angry old white guy

I appreciate that you might have lustful fantasies about me, after all, I am a hansum man. Look harder and you will see a rendition of my nipple. Sorry, but I don't have a peen shot available for distribution. Too many dirty old men, if you know what I mean.

[phiphidon]

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

In the US the Armed forces are sworn to protect the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I say it is their duty to oust a dictator etc.

In Thailand the armed forces swear allegiance to King and Country. Again, I think it is their duty to oust anyone that threatens this. Read wikileaks if you want more details.

18 Times?

[hellodolly]

I don't think anyone of importance in Thailand pays much attention to the bitter sentiments expressed by middle aged and elderly caucasian foreign males frustrated by events they are unable to cope with, so you might just want to chill before some of your clogged arteries blow.

Another typical GK post.

Com'on, post a picture of yourself so we can see how a successful person looks like, pretty please?

Well he did define himself as no one of importance. Not exactly the image he tried to convey in his posts. From reading all of his posts I think he could have thrown in lonely.

[hellodolly]

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

In the US the Armed forces are sworn to protect the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I say it is their duty to oust a dictator etc.

In Thailand the armed forces swear allegiance to King and Country. Again, I think it is their duty to oust anyone that threatens this. Read wikileaks if you want more details.

18 Times?

It takes what it takes stick around and you will learn that the education system here is not that good it teaches by repetition. It does not teach to think logically.

Many things have to be repeated quite often.

[OzMick]

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

In the US the Armed forces are sworn to protect the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I say it is their duty to oust a dictator etc.

In Thailand the armed forces swear allegiance to King and Country. Again, I think it is their duty to oust anyone that threatens this. Read wikileaks if you want more details.

You seem to be perfectly happy with the concept of a military dictatorship and the idea that it's acceptable for the military wing to override the wishes of the people.

Fair enough and respect your view.

I'm not an American and we had our civil war a couple of hundred years before USA over this point ( among others ).

Looks like we would have been on opposite sides of the barricades.

Regarding Thailand, in my opinion, unless and until the army are emasculated and entirely removed from politics there is little hope for the country because they will always act if they don't like a particular development.

Imagine what would happen if a European style socialist government got elected.....

Think our little paradise would get very hot indeed.

Not unusually, you seem a little confused. For starters, the winners of the English civil war installed a constitutional monarchy, very similar to the situation in Thailand today. Secondly, the latest coup in Thailand did not set up a military government, they ousted a corrupt quasi-dictator and held an election as soon as they had installed anti-corruption clauses in the constitution. Thirdly, you can hardly claim that they over-rode the will of the people from your expectations of elections that weren't held. Yes, he won the election before and his party the one after, both of which were marred by bribery and vote-buying, but that can't be held to predict the election he delayed while attempting to consolidate his power.

As for a "European style socialist government", the closest I have seen to that was the last. Improvements like the old age payment, 15 years free schooling, text book and uniform subsidies, free power and water for low-level use, a rice-farming subsidy paid to farmers, and free medical (with sufficient funding to allow it to work) are typical socialist type schemes aimed directly at the poorest Thai citizens.

In contrast, PTP's populist vote-buying policies will do little or nothing to improve the lot of those on the lowest economic ladder, and most of the better Dem policies have been abandoned or drained of funding lest they work.

[philw]

Reply to post # 89.

Ozmick

I'm confused, ????

Wow...........

1 ) ".........installed a constitutional monarchy.........", yes, but after removing the head of the previous incumbent.

Gives it a different level of intent, I think.

2) "........and held an election as soon as they had installed anti-corruption clauses in the constitution.........."

Not quite true, they rewrote it, pressured the electorate to approve it and gave themselves guaranteed immunities.

Very thoughtful.

3) You liken the Democrats last government as something close to European socialism ????

Good job all my little elves have been working lots of OT over Xmas so they can pay lots of taxes in the new year...........

4) Never mind.

Happy new year.

[tlansford]

The duty of the army is to defend the country and answer to the government.

It is not the duty of the army to kick out prime ministers that they don't approve of.

Simple really.

Exactly. Herein lies the problem. No progress will be experienced until this mentality is ceased. Almost childlike.

In the US the Armed forces are sworn to protect the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I say it is their duty to oust a dictator etc.

In Thailand the armed forces swear allegiance to King and Country. Again, I think it is their duty to oust anyone that threatens this. Read wikileaks if you want more details.

you, sir, are not an American, are you?

The US armed forces serve the commander in chief, which is the president. The armed forces are NOT used for domestic / internal protection.

The US armed forces, if ever they were to depose a President, their own commander, they would be committing an act of treason. (And if they were to be successful in such an attempt, then they would need to give themselves amnesty after the fact... sound familiar??).

In the US, the armed forces serve the commander in chief, the president, and the president serves the people.

No comment on Thailand. It is a different configuration.