webfact Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Victims of bloodshed to receive Bt3 million each The Nation The panel, appointed by the Truth For Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT), on Friday approved the compensation, stipulating for Bt3 million payment for each victim in connection with the political disturbances. "The Bt3 million compensation is based on the international guidelines on cases which the government failed to keep the situation under control," panel spokesman Anek Wongpermsenee said. Under the panel's recommendation, the compensation should be paid to victims of various disturbances from 2005 to last year, he said. The compensation would be disbursed on top of payments stiplulated under existing laws. After the Pheu Thai Party came to power in August, MP and red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan suggested for the Bt10 million compensation. -- The Nation 2012-01-06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 from 2005 - as opposed to ...... let's say for example October 25th 2004. It will be interesting to see if the is accepted by the families or not. And just as interesting to see if it's accepted by the Red Shirt leaders who must themselves share a proportion of the guilt for the way they sought confrontation and glamourised the armed, violent campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn2005 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 from 2005 - as opposed to ...... let's say for example October 25th 2004. It will be interesting to see if the is accepted by the families or not. And just as interesting to see if it's accepted by the Red Shirt leaders who must themselves share a proportion of the guilt for the way they sought confrontation and glamourised the armed, violent campaign. I doubt if many of the families are in a position to refuse such an attractive offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How do perpetrators become victims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieDimes Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 When will the payout/compensation occur? Any time in the near future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Thailand, new rent a riot hub. Burn and earn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparebox2 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 from 2005 - as opposed to ...... let's say for example October 25th 2004. It will be interesting to see if the is accepted by the families or not. And just as interesting to see if it's accepted by the Red Shirt leaders who must themselves share a proportion of the guilt for the way they sought confrontation and glamourised the armed, violent campaign. I doubt if many of the families are in a position to refuse such an attractive offer. US 100,000 is attractive? Life must be cheap in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TackyToo Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 When will the payout/compensation occur? Any time in the near future? The money comes with the new tablet PC's, the new English education programme etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hopefully the government has calculated how much money the former government leaders and the army leadership is worth for. Take all the money off them and let them pay each and every baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakseedaa Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I hope this includes victims in the three Southernmost Provinces.... there are 1000s of them..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTao Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How do perpetrators become victims? Well, for some it was by being unarmed, picking up a large red flag, loitering near the front line of a standoff and having the top of their head shorn off by a high velocity bullet. For others, it involved having a career in the medical service, providing care for injured people in a temple and receiving a fatal bullet in the chest. For others it was joining the army, standing near their commanding officer in an extremely volatile area without knowing of the potential risks and having their guts blown out by a grenade. For others yet. it happened because they worked as journalists and were shot whilst doing their job. Next idiotic question please...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieman05 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hopefully the government has calculated how much money the former government leaders and the army leadership is worth for. Take all the money off them and let them pay each and every baht. Are you saying all the villans that started all this and told the people they must be ready to die for the red shirts way, are not responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unanimosity Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How do perpetrators become victims? You can be right and lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How do perpetrators become victims? when they get hit in the helmet by a rock thrown from a protester ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Thailand, new rent a riot hub. Burn and earn. Hey seriously, we're talking about people killed. Have some shame... if not respect. There has been a lot of violence in the last 5-6 years and no one, not one person deserved to die. 3 mill Bhat is peanuts for a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How do perpetrators become victims? When they get shot in the head by government snipers using arbitrary death as a means of crowd control. Clear enough ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Please provide some additional information to the statement soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob. I am aware of the soldiers killing their own in friendly fire incidents, but am not aware of mobs beating soldiers to death. As you indicate multiple soldiers died from beatings, I am sure you will have multiple examples. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 One post flaming removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Please provide some additional information to the statement soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob. I am aware of the soldiers killing their own in friendly fire incidents, but am not aware of mobs beating soldiers to death. As you indicate multiple soldiers died from beatings, I am sure you will have multiple examples. Thank you. Maybe he was thinking of the situation at Democracy Monument - well documented on Youtube - where, after the bullets started flying, soldiers trapped in an APC would have been beaten - maybe to death, who knows - by angry red shirted demonstrators were it not for the intervention by red shirted guards who protected them. I believe they were all handed back to the army in fairly good shape shortly afterwards, although I'm not sure if they were accompanied by their weapons. Edited January 6, 2012 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How do perpetrators become victims? Well, for some it was by being unarmed, picking up a large red flag, loitering near the front line of a standoff and having the top of their head shorn off by a high velocity bullet. For others, it involved having a career in the medical service, providing care for injured people in a temple and receiving a fatal bullet in the chest. For others it was joining the army, standing near their commanding officer in an extremely volatile area without knowing of the potential risks and having their guts blown out by a grenade. For others yet. it happened because they worked as journalists and were shot whilst doing their job. Next idiotic question please...... Thanks for taking the time to write a more reasonable response than my tongue-in-cheek reply. This does illustrate much better the costs of the conflicts. That it is for the mistakes of more than one government and for victims of different political views is (IMO) very correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 from 2005 - as opposed to ...... let's say for example October 25th 2004. It will be interesting to see if the is accepted by the families or not. And just as interesting to see if it's accepted by the Red Shirt leaders who must themselves share a proportion of the guilt for the way they sought confrontation and glamourised the armed, violent campaign. I doubt if many of the families are in a position to refuse such an attractive offer. US 100,000 is attractive? Yes, for the average (non-Bangkokian) Thai, it's an absolute fortune. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Thailand, new rent a riot hub. Burn and earn. Hey seriously, we're talking about people killed. Have some shame... if not respect. There has been a lot of violence in the last 5-6 years and no one, not one person deserved to die. 3 mill Bhat is peanuts for a life. If you choose to do what those people did in my village, you can be sure you'll be shot, and not by any authorities. Your next of kin will receive zero compensation for your idiocy/criminality. They might expect instead, a bill for damages. Edited January 6, 2012 by lannarebirth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 A post containing a link to a Bangkok Post news article has been removed as per forum rule: 31) Bangkok Post do not allow quotes from their news articles or other material to appear on Thaivisa.com. Neither do they allow links to their publications. Posts from members containing quotes from or links to Bangkok Post publications will be deleted from the forum. Please note that this is a decision by the Bangkok Post, not by Thaivisa.com and any complaints or other issues concerning this rule should be directed to them. Quotes from and links to Phuketwan are also not allowed and will also be removed. In special cases forum Administrators or the news team may use these sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Maybe he was thinking of the situation at Democracy Monument - well documented on Youtube - where, after the bullets started flying, soldiers trapped in an APC would have been beaten - maybe to death, who knows - by angry red shirted demonstrators were it not for the intervention by red shirted guards who protected them. I believe they were all handed back to the army in fairly good shape shortly afterwards, although I'm not sure if they were accompanied by their weapons. Or maybe the soldiers that were dragged out of the truck by red shirts and beaten up, with one of them being shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTao Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Please provide some additional information to the statement soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob. I am aware of the soldiers killing their own in friendly fire incidents, but am not aware of mobs beating soldiers to death. As you indicate multiple soldiers died from beatings, I am sure you will have multiple examples. Thank you. The incident I was referring to was when an army truck was surrounded by red shirt supporters, some of whom climbed into the back of the truck and began beating the soldiers, who despite being armed refused to use them on those who were beating them, the soldiers bodies were later seen being handed over to the army, as I remember the truck was trying to pass through the red controlled area when it was over whelmed, all of this was seen on live tv telecast of the protest. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Please provide some additional information to the statement soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob. I am aware of the soldiers killing their own in friendly fire incidents, but am not aware of mobs beating soldiers to death. As you indicate multiple soldiers died from beatings, I am sure you will have multiple examples. Thank you. The incident I was referring to was when an army truck was surrounded by red shirt supporters, some of whom climbed into the back of the truck and began beating the soldiers, who despite being armed refused to use them on those who were beating them, the soldiers bodies were later seen being handed over to the army, as I remember the truck was trying to pass through the red controlled area when it was over whelmed, all of this was seen on live tv telecast of the protest. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Actually they were not beaten to death. They were shot to death, on live television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTao Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Please provide some additional information to the statement soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob. I am aware of the soldiers killing their own in friendly fire incidents, but am not aware of mobs beating soldiers to death. As you indicate multiple soldiers died from beatings, I am sure you will have multiple examples. Thank you. The incident I was referring to was when an army truck was surrounded by red shirt supporters, some of whom climbed into the back of the truck and began beating the soldiers, who despite being armed refused to use them on those who were beating them, the soldiers bodies were later seen being handed over to the army, as I remember the truck was trying to pass through the red controlled area when it was over whelmed, all of this was seen on live tv telecast of the protest. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Actually they were not beaten to death. They were shot to death, on live television. If my memory of the timing of this event, then it was before the army started shooting. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How much of the compensation money will actually get into the victims hands? When the term victim is used, is the term one sided, or do all who suffered get compensated? What about the shop owners who lost everything when the call went out to burn Bangkok? What about the soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob before the army started shooting. So many to compensate, who will decide who gets paid? Please provide some additional information to the statement soldiers who were beaten to death by the red shirted mob. I am aware of the soldiers killing their own in friendly fire incidents, but am not aware of mobs beating soldiers to death. As you indicate multiple soldiers died from beatings, I am sure you will have multiple examples. Thank you. The incident I was referring to was when an army truck was surrounded by red shirt supporters, some of whom climbed into the back of the truck and began beating the soldiers, who despite being armed refused to use them on those who were beating them, the soldiers bodies were later seen being handed over to the army, as I remember the truck was trying to pass through the red controlled area when it was over whelmed, all of this was seen on live tv telecast of the protest. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Actually they were not beaten to death. They were shot to death, on live television. I would hope that since it happened on TV, those responsible are already in jail for long periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Thailand, new rent a riot hub. Burn and earn. Hey seriously, we're talking about people killed. Have some shame... if not respect. There has been a lot of violence in the last 5-6 years and no one, not one person deserved to die. 3 mill Bhat is peanuts for a life. It's probably worth more than your contribution to Thai society. Roasted or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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