Honda Crf 250L

[BigBikeBKK]

Here is the Bilmola Destroyer that we provide as a premium for the CRF 250L. It has a composite shell with carbon fiber and FRP.

DOT, SNELL or ECE certified?

[taninthai]

and there on

[BigBikeBKK]

and there on

Lookin good!

Is that a CHROME gas cap?!

[taichiplanet]

Here is the Bilmola Destroyer that we provide as a premium for the CRF 250L. It has a composite shell with carbon fiber and FRP.

DOT, SNELL or ECE certified?

according to the website it is ECE 22.05 (E1 Germany). Somewhere i read it weighs 850 grams but couldn't confirm it on the bilmola website.

Edited May 18, 2012 by taichiplanet

[apetley]

and there on

Lookin good!

Is that a CHROME gas cap?!

555

Saw one in the flesh yesterday for the first time and was impressed by the quality.......except for the gas cap. Chrome and looks incredibly tacky.

Dealer in Ban Pong wanted 133k.

Very tempted but will wait until prices come down.

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[taninthai]

ok last one for today 4 bolts & 1plug and it was gone

tommorow is sticker day

[BigBikeBKK]

ok last one for today 4 bolts & 1plug and it was gone

tommorow is sticker day

Will you not be riding on the road or at night then?

[taninthai]

ok last one for today 4 bolts & 1plug and it was gone

tommorow is sticker day

Will you not be riding on the road or at night then?

I never ride at night have a car for that but yes ride quite alot on the road the bib arenot to bad where I am and just have to be extra cautious that cars have seen me at junctions etc to be honest It is just as easy to fix the White plate on the front off the bike with the headlight still on but it obviously does not look as good but it don't look to bad ,so might go to that method in the future,just experimenting at the mo.

[thaicbr]

wana, on 2012-05-16 09:51:52, said:

stop back peddaling when you have madethousandsof anti honda posts and many of them are commenting on the (lack of quality ) on the cbr 250r

you are one of the highest posters in the enormous cbr 250 threadyet you have never owned owned oneand ove to criticize people who really own even sell/servicethese honda bikesin the case of sumet-cycle

seems you have a wealth of no idea .......as usual

No back pedaling Wana,

I've ridden the new CB'r' 250 a few times and have seen dozens of them blow up at various Moto 3 races and I remain thoroughly unimpressed with this particular bike.

That said, I think the thumper engine makes a LOT more sense in a dual-sport / dirtbike frame, and initial report all indicate that the new CRF250L is a winner.

Hopefully Honda has had a chance to iron out some of the problems that many CB'r' 250 owners have reported on this and other forums.

If you've never ridden a real CBR250RR you are ignorant of how underwhelming the new CB'r' 250 is. But then ignorance seems to be your MO; I lol'd at your BMW 1250 post yesterday

I'm no "Honda-hater"; I've owned a lot of Hondas in the past and my next bike is going to be a Honda. (But it sure as heck won't be a CB'r' 250!)

Happy Trails!

T

I have owned both versions of the Cbr250. The 4 cylinder and now the single. Are they different. Ofcourse they are. I actually find the single to be far more forgiving and easier for every day riding and great on fuel but still capable of cruising at 120 - 130 kmh The cbr250 2011 evolved to match the times .The 4 was a screamer. Bad on fuel but great fun but actually slower and more difficult to ride in traffic .The Ninja 250 is a bike that has evolved from a commuter bike into a "sportier " bike. So the reverse of the Cbr.Kawasakis Cbr250rr was the Zxr250. Now THAT was a great bike :Dsent from my Wellcom A90+

[thaicbr]

wana, on 2012-05-16 09:51:52, said:

stop back peddaling when you have madethousandsof anti honda posts and many of them are commenting on the (lack of quality ) on the cbr 250r

you are one of the highest posters in the enormous cbr 250 threadyet you have never owned owned oneand ove to criticize people who really own even sell/servicethese honda bikesin the case of sumet-cycle

seems you have a wealth of no idea .......as usual

No back pedaling Wana,

I've ridden the new CB'r' 250 a few times and have seen dozens of them blow up at various Moto 3 races and I remain thoroughly unimpressed with this particular bike.

That said, I think the thumper engine makes a LOT more sense in a dual-sport / dirtbike frame, and initial report all indicate that the new CRF250L is a winner.

Hopefully Honda has had a chance to iron out some of the problems that many CB'r' 250 owners have reported on this and other forums.

If you've never ridden a real CBR250RR you are ignorant of how underwhelming the new CB'r' 250 is. But then ignorance seems to be your MO; I lol'd at your BMW 1250 post yesterday

I'm no "Honda-hater"; I've owned a lot of Hondas in the past and my next bike is going to be a Honda. (But it sure as heck won't be a CB'r' 250!)

Happy Trails!

T

I have owned both versions of the Cbr250. The 4 cylinder and now the single. Are they different. Ofcourse they are. I actually find the single to be far more forgiving and easier for every day riding and great on fuel but still capable of cruising at 120 - 130 kmh The cbr250 2011 evolved to match the times .The 4 was a screamer. Bad on fuel but great fun but actually slower and more difficult to ride in traffic .The Ninja 250 is a bike that has evolved from a commuter bike into a "sportier " bike. So the reverse of the Cbr.Kawasakis Cbr250rr was the Zxr250. Now THAT was a great bike

As for the Crf. I like it. But then I like pretty much any new 'bigger ' bike being made available in the Thai market.

sent from my Wellcom A90+

sent from my Wellcom A90+

[madjbs]

ok last one for today 4 bolts & 1plug and it was gone

tommorow is sticker day

Will you not be riding on the road or at night then?

I never ride at night have a car for that but yes ride quite alot on the road the bib arenot to bad where I am and just have to be extra cautious that cars have seen me at junctions etc to be honest It is just as easy to fix the White plate on the front off the bike with the headlight still on but it obviously does not look as good but it don't look to bad ,so might go to that method in the future,just experimenting at the mo.

Why on earth would you put the white plate on the bike with the headlight still on?

[taninthai]

Probably the same reason why you cut all the plastic crap off the back,put little indicators on,change rear light because it looks better and if you are in an area where the bib give you hassle you can just pull it of there and then saving yourself 200 bht maybe

[madjbs]

What? None of that makes sense...

[taninthai]

What? None of that makes sense...

Crystal clear for me

How many Chang you had today......lol

[madjbs]

What? None of that makes sense...

Crystal clear for me

How many Chang you had today......lol

So you think by putting the white plastic plate over the front of the headlight the bike is going to look better?

The whole point of those plates is to make a place to put you racing number on, or to cover up the hole where the headlight would normally be. You don't put them on in front of a headlight, that is just weird.

Edited May 19, 2012 by madjbs

[wantan]

What? None of that makes sense...

Crystal clear for me

How many Chang you had today......lol

So you think by putting the white plastic plate over the front of the headlight the bike is going to look better?

The whole point of those plates is to make a place to put you racing number on, or to cover up the hole where the headlight would normally be. You don't put them on in front of a headlight, that is just weird.

Makes the bike look more like a "real dirtbike". And if you prefer having a light again you easily take it off. Why not?

I hope you can switch the headlight off. May get hot under the plastic if you forget to turn it off. But maybe looks nice at night, when the front number is "glowing in the dark" if you turn light on

[madjbs]

Makes the bike look more like a "real dirtbike". And if you prefer having a light again you easily take it off. Why not?

No it doesn't, it makes it look stupid and makes the owner look like they don't have a clue.

If you hadn't noticed before, real enduro bikes have headlights. I have never seen a "real" dirt bike with all the road kit except a headlight on....or even worse, all the road gear and a motocross plate across the front of the headlight!

[mjj]

Went to the A Honda shop today in Trang. Price 135,000 plus 500, 700 and 3,000 for the tax, por ra bor and insurance.

I also asked for a payment plan and was told 70,000 deposit plus 3 months at 23,300, which is only 4,900 interest. Seems a good deal to me.

Also asked the sales woman about putting new wheels and street tyres on it and she said, 'Motard uh.' I was shocked that she new something about bikes lol. Anyway she said wait and Honda will start bringing those bits out. Also new colour plastics and seat.

[wantan]

Makes the bike look more like a "real dirtbike". And if you prefer having a light again you easily take it off. Why not?

No it doesn't, it makes it look stupid and makes the owner look like they don't have a clue.

If you hadn't noticed before, real enduro bikes have headlights. I have never seen a "real" dirt bike with all the road kit except a headlight on....or even worse, all the road gear and a motocross plate across the front of the headlight!

People are often doing things with their bikes that i do not understand. I am more the type of guy who leaves all stock. Some would put protections grids on their enduro headlight to make it look more "hardcore". You could consider the plastic plate as protection against stones etc. And you have a place to put a number on it

[taninthai]

Ok i am givin up on this graphics set took 1 1/2 hours to do this panel and it looks pants probably easier if you have set designed for crf or as above says honda will s

oon be releasing complete plastics with different graphics

Plus the misses wants her hair drier back

[madjbs]

What's the point in protecting it if you can't use it...

[kvic]

Sorry, not too knowledgable on this stuff. Is changing out the rims/tires all that would be necessary to make it a super motard? About how much would a set of motard rims and tires be? Was considering trading up the PCX 125 to 150, but having second thoughts after looking at the CRF. Not interested right now in off road stuff, but like the idea of super motard, and having both sets would give the option for more off road later on.

[taichiplanet]

Sorry, not too knowledgable on this stuff. Is changing out the rims/tires all that would be necessary to make it a super motard? About how much would a set of motard rims and tires be? Was considering trading up the PCX 125 to 150, but having second thoughts after looking at the CRF. Not interested right now in off road stuff, but like the idea of super motard, and having both sets would give the option for more off road later on.

don't know about the super bit, but just putting 17" rims and road tyres would be okay. Get a set of hubs from your Honda dealer, find after market rims in the colour of your choice and get 'em spoked. You'll need to find what clearance there is for what size tyre you get.

BTW, for the vertically challenged Honda Japan have a lowering kit - drops the seat height by 45mm

http://www.honda.co....nkit/index.html

[taninthai]

think im done with mine now till hondaa and others come with some real addons

[kvic]

Sorry, not too knowledgable on this stuff. Is changing out the rims/tires all that would be necessary to make it a super motard? About how much would a set of motard rims and tires be? Was considering trading up the PCX 125 to 150, but having second thoughts after looking at the CRF. Not interested right now in off road stuff, but like the idea of super motard, and having both sets would give the option for more off road later on.

don't know about the super bit, but just putting 17" rims and road tyres would be okay. Get a set of hubs from your Honda dealer, find after market rims in the colour of your choice and get 'em spoked. You'll need to find what clearance there is for what size tyre you get.

BTW, for the vertically challenged Honda Japan have a lowering kit - drops the seat height by 45mm

http://www.honda.co....nkit/index.html

Thanks for the info. Again my lack of knowledge showing through here, but where would I look to get the wheels made up? Would doing it this way in anyway void warranty, or as long as formed around stock hubs not be an issue.

Funny you added the vertically challenged comment to my post. Used to hear that all the time back home when I worked with a friend who was 6' 6". If he saw it he would be rofl. But here in the LOS I stand tall enough on a CRF to get half my foot on the groung without stretching. Changing to 17" tires should be just about right.

[taichiplanet]

Sorry, not too knowledgable on this stuff. Is changing out the rims/tires all that would be necessary to make it a super motard? About how much would a set of motard rims and tires be? Was considering trading up the PCX 125 to 150, but having second thoughts after looking at the CRF. Not interested right now in off road stuff, but like the idea of super motard, and having both sets would give the option for more off road later on.

don't know about the super bit, but just putting 17" rims and road tyres would be okay. Get a set of hubs from your Honda dealer, find after market rims in the colour of your choice and get 'em spoked. You'll need to find what clearance there is for what size tyre you get.

BTW, for the vertically challenged Honda Japan have a lowering kit - drops the seat height by 45mm

http://www.honda.co....nkit/index.html

Thanks for the info. Again my lack of knowledge showing through here, but where would I look to get the wheels made up? Would doing it this way in anyway void warranty, or as long as formed around stock hubs not be an issue.

Funny you added the vertically challenged comment to my post. Used to hear that all the time back home when I worked with a friend who was 6' 6". If he saw it he would be rofl. But here in the LOS I stand tall enough on a CRF to get half my foot on the groung without stretching. Changing to 17" tires should be just about right.

Sorry, just threw that in to save posting twice. No disrespect intended, i'm not very tall myself.

I reckon Honda will do a motard version soon, it's just begging to be done. Whether APe Honda will do it soon or not is anyone's guess.

A pic of the 2005 XR250 Motard to give an idea

Edited May 19, 2012 by taichiplanet

[kvic]

Sorry, not too knowledgable on this stuff. Is changing out the rims/tires all that would be necessary to make it a super motard? About how much would a set of motard rims and tires be? Was considering trading up the PCX 125 to 150, but having second thoughts after looking at the CRF. Not interested right now in off road stuff, but like the idea of super motard, and having both sets would give the option for more off road later on.

don't know about the super bit, but just putting 17" rims and road tyres would be okay. Get a set of hubs from your Honda dealer, find after market rims in the colour of your choice and get 'em spoked. You'll need to find what clearance there is for what size tyre you get.

BTW, for the vertically challenged Honda Japan have a lowering kit - drops the seat height by 45mm

http://www.honda.co....nkit/index.html

Thanks for the info. Again my lack of knowledge showing through here, but where would I look to get the wheels made up? Would doing it this way in anyway void warranty, or as long as formed around stock hubs not be an issue.

Funny you added the vertically challenged comment to my post. Used to hear that all the time back home when I worked with a friend who was 6' 6". If he saw it he would be rofl. But here in the LOS I stand tall enough on a CRF to get half my foot on the groung without stretching. Changing to 17" tires should be just about right.

Sorry, just threw that in to save posting twice. No disrespect intended, i'm not very tall myself.

I reckon Honda will do a motard version soon, it's just begging to be done. Whether APe Honda will do it soon or not is anyone's guess.

A pic of the 2005 XR250 Motard to give an idea

No worries, no offense taken. Thought it was quite hilarious myself.

The picture of the CRF motard posted earlier in the thread is what made me start looking at the bike, well that and the speculated sale price. Unfortunately now I still like it even with the higher price. Just want to make sure I could change the wheels/tires soon as all my riding is on pavement, and don't want to do that too much with knobby tires, and especially when it's wet.

[Bung]

Found an interesting article on the CBR 250 (CRF 250-L) engine:

By Tony Russo

2011 CBR250R Engine

The 2011 Honda CBR250R motorcycle engine development took shape by aiming at a global single-cylinder design; a next-generation four-stroke liquid-cooled powerplant that would deliver torquey performance not only at low engine speeds but also in the high-rpm range, while still being smooth-running beginners motorcycle.

Being a global motorcycle, the 250cc economical operation in terms of fuel efficiency and simple servicing was also a stated Honda characteristic. In addition, Honda wanted the lightweight CBR250R engine to be compact dimensions would set the stage for beginning motorcycle rider handling characteristics.

Honda selected a dual overhead camshaft layout as the valve actuation system. The DOHC designs improve combustion efficiency by reducing the weight of the reciprocating portion of the valves.

This design also allowed Honda motorcycle engineers freedom in choosing the included valve angle, the port shape, and the shape of the combustion chamber. In addition, the choice of a DOHC configuration contributed to improved product appeal as a CBR sportbike.

The 2011 CBR250R valve train, has a roller rocker arm that was adopted in combination with the DOHC engine configuration, a-world-first application that has been patented by Honda. This unique combination produces a low-friction valve train with a smaller cylinder head and an ultra-compact layout for the roller rocker arm.

The choice of a shim design for valve tappet adjustment reduced the rocker arm weight, while internal engine friction was further reduced by setting the valve spring load to a low level. For ease of maintenance and reduced operating costs, the CBR250R valve shims can be replaced for valve adjustment maintenance without removing the camshafts.

This Honda CBR 250 R design also allowed the engineers the freedom to incorporate a pent-roof combustion chamber with a narrow included valve angle for enhanced combustion characteristics.

To reduce the flow of blow-by gasses and minimize oil consumption, a spiny sleeve design was adopted for the Honda cylinder sleeve. Small spines have been added to the outer surface of the cylinder sleeve to improve CBR250R cooling performance and help reduce distortion of the cylinder inner shape.

In addition, centrifugal casting allows a thin, uniform wall thickness, which helps reduce the weight of the motorcycle. For emissions reductions, an O2 sensor is combined with the built-in air injection (AI) system, and a catalyzer is fitted inside the exhaust pipe to comply with emissions standards.

To enhance motorcycle engine performance, a very over-square, short-stroke 250cc engine (bore x stroke: 76mm x 55mm) was chosen to improve responsiveness. The resulting bore and stroke are commensurate to those of the CBR 1000 RR, Honda's superbike.

The 30mm intake valves are a mere half-millimeter smaller in diameter than those used in the CBR1000RR, while the 24mm diameters of the exhaust valves match exactly between the two bikes.

To reduce reciprocating weight and friction, the Honda CBR250R piston carries a very short skirt and features a slick molybdenum coating. Friction was further reduced by creating light striations on the piston to facilitate retention of lubricating engine oil, lowering the tension of the piston rings, and applying a smooth, shot-peen-hardened finish to the piston pin.

Another slick bit of Honda CBR250R design work further reduces engine friction: The cylinder centerline is offset from the center of the crankshaft 4mm toward the exhaust side. Doing so reduces the lateral resistance generated between the piston and the cylinder during the power stroke. It's a small increment, but the design element yields stated benefits.

To boost the CBR250R power output from low- through high-rpm ranges, Honda improved charging efficiency by straightening flow pathways from the air cleaner to the exhaust pipe. The motorcycle valve stems have been made thin (4.5mm) so as to not impede intake and exhaust flow, although valve diameters are large for both sets of valves.

This CBR250R valve design is coupled with a wide opening angle and a high-lift cam to improve intake/exhaust efficiency. To achieve output characteristics that are easy to handle at low speed and smooth rev-up at high rpm, the intake/exhaust systems were thoroughly analyzed and tested to adopt the ideal port/pipe length and diameter.

In designing the CBR250R crankshaft, no efforts were spared to reduce weight in order to lower the inertial mass while achieving additional weight reduction in the connecting rod. This new-generation crankshaft helps create an engine full of high-quality feel while maintaining high output.

First, a metal bearing (half-split, press-fit) was chosen for the crank journal for the first time on a Honda single-cylinder motorcycle. A cast-iron bushing was selected for the crank bearing section in order to improve the rigidity of the crankcase housing and control changes in the crank journal's oil clearance arising from thermal expansion, while improving engine quietness.

Selection of a built-up -type crankshaft allows the big end of the connecting rod to use a low-friction roller bearing, and the optimal crank web shape was realized as a result of a computer analysis of strength and rigidity.

To reduce motorcycle engine vibration, a primary balancer shaft is incorporated into this cutting-edge CBR250R single-cylinder engine. It's placed so close to the crankshaft that the balancer weight passes between the two crank weights-a design that keeps the motorcycle engine compact, while helping improve mass centralization.

Also, the 2011 Honda CBR250R motorcycle crankshaft rigidity is enhanced further and quietness is improved by placing the engine counterbalancer's driving gear on the right cover inside the clutch housing-a design that narrows the distance between the left/right crank bearings and efficiently places a load-bearing ball bearing at the tip of the crankshaft's right side.

[deemon]

ok last one for today 4 bolts & 1plug and it was gone

tommorow is sticker day

Will you not be riding on the road or at night then?

I never ride at night have a car for that but yes ride quite alot on the road the bib arenot to bad where I am and just have to be extra cautious that cars have seen me at junctions etc to be honest It is just as easy to fix the White plate on the front off the bike with the headlight still on but it obviously does not look as good but it don't look to bad ,so might go to that method in the future,just experimenting at the mo.

Why on earth would you put the white plate on the bike with the headlight still on?

LOL this made my night

[wantan]

Found an interesting article on the CBR 250 (CRF 250-L) engine:

By Tony Russo

2011 CBR250R Engine

The 2011 Honda CBR250R motorcycle engine development took shape by aiming at a global single-cylinder design; a next-generation four-stroke liquid-cooled powerplant that would deliver torquey performance not only at low engine speeds but also in the high-rpm range, while still being smooth-running beginners motorcycle.

...

Reads like marketing and seems to be Honda Press release:

http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=5849-en