New Evidence About The Killing Of Red-Shirt 'Seh Daeng'

[waza]

Reasons

It's a wonder no-one has thought of buying the sniper a ticket to Dubai? Just a thought!

because the sniper works for mr T

Highly doubtful as the red shirts take orders from, and obey Mr T.

Reasons..

1. One possibility is that 'Seh Daeng was covertly helping the government.
   
2. A coup rumor in connection with the grenade attack on army chief General Anupong Paojinda’s office at army headquarters:
   
3. hardcore elements of the red shirts wanted to strike down Khattiya so that the ensuing upheaval would go out of control
   
4. 
   Some speculate Maj. Gen. Khattiya is using the Reds so a cabal of rightwing military officers and retirees can seize power.
   
5. He was becoming more popular than Thaskin.
   
6. After redshirt leaders accepted the prime minister's offer of early elections, 'Seh Daeng' refuses to comply, saying that a group of 400 to 500 protesters would hold out in what he described as a fortified area under the his command.
   
7. 
   'Seh Daeng' proclaimed himself leader of the Red Shirts and was declaring war on the Thai military. Based on that it simply says he was taking the Red Shirts from Thaksin so he could use them to deal with his own personal war
   
8. Dismissed army general General Kattiya Sawasdipol now claims that Thaksin Shinawatra has appointed three new red shirt leaders. He is also caliming that the will not be dispersing anytime soon.
   

[hgma]

whats the truth, when life is based on a lie!

(in Thailand)

[metisdead]

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[Ricardo]

It's a wonder no-one has thought of buying the sniper a ticket to Dubai? Just a thought!

because the sniper works for mr T

Highly doubtful as the red shirts take orders from, and obey Mr T.

But Seh Daeng was going 'off-message' at the time, and possibly embarassing Thaksin, who was by-then trying to appear not to be the obvious guiding-hand or 'big boss' behind the protests, when they had been turning increasingly violent.

So IMO it is entirely credible to think, as many here seem to, that Seh Daeng may have been a case of 'friendly fire'.

If "the red shirts take orders from, and obey Mr T", then what would happen when one red shirt leader gets carried-away, and starts to say things which his boss doesn't want spelled-out ? It's not like he was a Cabinet-minister, who might simply be replaced, at the next reshuffle.

[soylentgreen]

If some one is shot while carrying on a terrorist act, and by a policeman

May be he should be awarded a medal for dong his duty

And was it not the same man setting off those grenades, he had the pulled pins around his hat..! And was it not those same vigilantes (men in Black) who murdered the young Army Captain.. It was a great shot that took that madman out... well done whoever it was , police, army or just a concerned citizen..! Was he not just a plain old aerobics teacher anyhow..? And if it were not for his death, his daughter would still be selling Som-tam in the backstreets...!

I must say she is looking better and whiter everyday. Maybe one day she would become Thailand's 2nd lady PM.

Dear needs a new daddy, any volunteers?

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

[JSPS]

The question in Seh Daeng's killing is "Cui bono?" Who benefited?

The Red Shirts were trying their damnedest to provoke the Army and Police in order to get a bloody shirt to wave. That's why they were firing off those wicked little M-80's with a ball bearing taped to it. But during the time of the protest I think the number of deaths in Bangkok actually lessened.

But supposedly the government had a sniper shoot Seh Daeng because...why exactly? In order to give the Red Shirts the martyr they wanted?

I thought the government leaders were supposed to be sophisticated villians, able to manage 37 layers of conspiracy without leaving any evidence?

It looks to me like the Red Shirts are still looking for a bloody shirt to wave.

[DocN]

As much as you may not like a person for personal or political reasons, some of you seem to forget, that a person killed is always someones son or daughter, someones father or mother, someones sister or brother or "only" someones friend.

Some of your comments are plain disgusting.

[wxyz]

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

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Edited January 20, 2012 by wxyz

[wxyz]

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

she needs to look no further than mr T and his band of merry thugs

[[[Absent Khattiya's leadership, discipline inside the red fortress was on the decline. Alcohol flowed freely, fueling tempers and fist-fights. Earlier in the day a Ronin fighter fired an Israeli-made TAR-21 assault rifle, seized from the army in April, at an army helicopter overhead.

Competing personalities vied for dominance among the disordered Ronin, but the bearded man who spoke little was calling the shots for now. "Do you know who is in charge here?" he said. "It's me."

At least until another unnamed commandant he described as second to Khattiya arrived to assume command and investigate why journalists were with the gunmen. ]]]

http://www.atimes.co...a/LE29Ae02.html

Edited January 20, 2012 by wxyz

[newermonkey]

Oh dear o dear !!!

Police man: And what did this asailant look like madam?

Lady: Actually he looked a lot like YOU!

Police Man: Oh really!, ok madam just go home for now and we will take care of this matter for you, just be carefull AND WATCH YOUR BACK!

[trainman34014]

It's a wonder no-one has thought of buying the sniper a ticket to Dubai? Just a thought!

because the sniper works for mr T

He works for whoever pays the most as time passes. But why waste money on an air fare when you can wait until the Messiah returns and then take him out?

[AleG]

As much as you may not like a person for personal or political reasons, some of you seem to forget, that a person killed is always someones son or daughter, someones father or mother, someones sister or brother or "only" someones friend.

Some of your comments are plain disgusting.

Indeed, I wonder if Kattiya had the same consideration for the men that were given the business end of the grenade pins he wore on his hat.

[mic6ard]

Umm. OK here's maybe something I picked up from watching too much NCIS and CSI .

How can they prove the direction of the shot, it's been over a year!

Won't you need the weapon that fired the fatal shot to convict anyone of the 'crime'.

Some poor sod is just going to get rail roaded for this, unfortunately.

Can someone remind me if there is any actual footage of him being shot? Such as from the CCTV that the BMA put on the streets

[Roadman]

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

Murdered? He was a feral leading Thaksin's "Black Scum" in a terrorist attack on the Thai Army and Thailand. Your camparison to a Kennedy or a King is an absolute joke and shows how far removed from reality some are.

And as for why he was taken out. Simple tactics. If an opposition commander is parading around like a right dork then rules of combat are to remove the piece of garbage and weaken the terrorists leadership. Said it at the time that he should be dealt to by the Army as he was their 'feral" and their problem. That he was removed was a job well done. Little Dear should get on with her life and accept that her father was a lost cause when he when feral in terrorist action against Thailand.

The heading is correct with "killing" of.

[animatic]

If this was by 'the police' then this is about they only action they took that actually came off during the whole protests period. Other than this it would be a grand total of 0% done or done properly...

which is why the army came in.

Easy enough to hide the truth of inly 2-3 people know who did it and who ordered it.

The boss, the go between, and the shooter. A pro-shooter from outside, with a silenced sniper rifle sitting quietly in the hotel for several days waiting for the right shot, and then walking out just as quietly wouldn't be noticed, since the Red Rally was a total box of annoying noise anyway. Shooter likely left the country and is clipping coupons somewhere.

This is naught but a blame laying game, 'truth' has squat to do with it,

and manipulating the pretty, sad, young lady to do it.

Edited January 20, 2012 by animatic

[animatic]

It's a wonder no-one has thought of buying the sniper a ticket to Dubai? Just a thought!

because the sniper works for mr T

Highly doubtful as the red shirts take orders from, and obey Mr T.

I believe the point about this theory is that;

The general knew too much, was unstable and was talking too much,

safer and more useful at that point as a martyr than as a loose cannon general.

And he was at odds about strategy and how to use their forces onsite with the red protest leadership in particular Jatuporn, but also Vera, and that was part of why trust had evaporated between Sae Daeng and 'management'. S.D was much more hardcore and gungho than they seemed to have the stomach for.

Edited January 20, 2012 by animatic

[bigbamboo]

Reporting to the police that she suspects a policeman killed, her when in fact the police were on the Red side, and it wasn't an army person afterall, it's getting pretty murky. If you father leads an armed vigilante force defending terrorist type actions you should expect him to get shot, <snip>

If you live by the sword...........

[phiphidon]

The question in Seh Daeng's killing is "Cui bono?" Who benefited?

The Red Shirts were trying their damnedest to provoke the Army and Police in order to get a bloody shirt to wave. That's why they were firing off those wicked little M-80's with a ball bearing taped to it. But during the time of the protest I think the number of deaths in Bangkok actually lessened.

But supposedly the government had a sniper shoot Seh Daeng because...why exactly? In order to give the Red Shirts the martyr they wanted?

I thought the government leaders were supposed to be sophisticated villians, able to manage 37 layers of conspiracy without leaving any evidence?

It looks to me like the Red Shirts are still looking for a bloody shirt to wave.

You might want to check your timelines - By the time Sae Daeng was shot the Red Shirts already had far too many "bloody shirts to wave" as you so nicely refer to the dead red shirt supporters.

[tominbkk]

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

Sa Daeng was a rogue, insane wild dog that needed to be taken out.

[soylentgreen]

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

Sa Daeng was a rogue, insane wild dog that needed to be taken out.

You are starting to sound like a North Korean Party Spokesman now.

[soylentgreen]

This is a daughter fighting for the truth about who murdered her father, a brave man fighting for the democratic rights of the majority of thais, assassinated by a sniper. Your responses are quite perverse. If this happened in most other counrtries in the world, people would support her. How about JFK, MLK, etc. Did you get callous, racist or perverse comments about their family? But here on Thai Visa, as I can see, anything goes.

Murdered? He was a feral leading Thaksin's "Black Scum" in a terrorist attack on the Thai Army and Thailand. Your camparison to a Kennedy or a King is an absolute joke and shows how far removed from reality some are.

And as for why he was taken out. Simple tactics. If an opposition commander is parading around like a right dork then rules of combat are to remove the piece of garbage and weaken the terrorists leadership. Said it at the time that he should be dealt to by the Army as he was their 'feral" and their problem. That he was removed was a job well done. Little Dear should get on with her life and accept that her father was a lost cause when he when feral in terrorist action against Thailand.

The heading is correct with "killing" of.

Your psychopathic comments reveal how far you are removed from reality.

If you took the time to read my post you would see that the compasrison was made in terms of grieving families and racist, sexist comments, not in terms of their popularity or platforms.

Seh Daeng represented and fought for the Red shirt movement who won the elections, thus for the majority of Thais, not the bunch of crooked bloodsucking leeches you seem to support.

It's obvious you have been reading too many Andy McNab comics when you start spouting terms like "taken out", "remove the piece of garbage", "removed".

[OzMick]

Your psychopathic comments reveal how far you are removed from reality.

If you took the time to read my post you would see that the compasrison was made in terms of grieving families and racist, sexist comments, not in terms of their popularity or platforms.

Seh Daeng represented and fought for the Red shirt movement who won the elections, thus for the majority of Thais, not the bunch of crooked bloodsucking leeches you seem to support.

It's obvious you have been reading too many Andy McNab comics when you start spouting terms like "taken out", "remove the piece of garbage", "removed".

Many, many Thais did note vote in the last election. The current government did not get over 50% of that vote. The party that won was PTP that is not composed completely of red shirts. Many of the red shirts would not have known that a disaffected general in the pay of a deposed corrupt ex-PM would be leading the military wing of the movement - or even that such a wing existed.

Many red shirts may have mistakenly thought that they were attending a peaceful protest against the coup (albeit 2+ years and 4 PMs too late) and considered that their leaders hate-filled speeches were merely rhetoric, How many actually brought bottles?

To ignore those realities and leap to the conclusion that Seh Daeng represented the "majority of Thais" goes past a flight of fancy well into lunacy, and would be considered an insult by the majority of Thais that I know, and many of those are red shirt supporters.

Edited January 21, 2012 by OzMick

[soylentgreen]

Your psychopathic comments reveal how far you are removed from reality.

If you took the time to read my post you would see that the compasrison was made in terms of grieving families and racist, sexist comments, not in terms of their popularity or platforms.

Seh Daeng represented and fought for the Red shirt movement who won the elections, thus for the majority of Thais, not the bunch of crooked bloodsucking leeches you seem to support.

It's obvious you have been reading too many Andy McNab comics when you start spouting terms like "taken out", "remove the piece of garbage", "removed".

Many, many Thais did note vote in the last election. The current government did not get over 50% of that vote. The party that won was PTP that is not composed completely of red shirts. Many of the red shirts would not have known that a disaffected general in the pay of a deposed corrupt ex-PM would be leading the military wing of the movement - or even that such a wing existed.

Many red shirts may have mistakenly thought that they were attending a peaceful protest against the coup (albeit 2+ years and 4 PMs too late) and considered that their leaders hate-filled speeches were merely rhetoric, How many actually brought bottles?

To ignore those realities and leap to the conclusion that Seh Daeng represented the "majority of Thais" goes past a flight of fancy well into lunacy, and would be considered an insult by the majority of Thais that I know, and many of those are red shirt supporters.

Nit picking as usual, I see.

[OzMick]

Your psychopathic comments reveal how far you are removed from reality.

If you took the time to read my post you would see that the compasrison was made in terms of grieving families and racist, sexist comments, not in terms of their popularity or platforms.

Seh Daeng represented and fought for the Red shirt movement who won the elections, thus for the majority of Thais, not the bunch of crooked bloodsucking leeches you seem to support.

It's obvious you have been reading too many Andy McNab comics when you start spouting terms like "taken out", "remove the piece of garbage", "removed".

Many, many Thais did note vote in the last election. The current government did not get over 50% of that vote. The party that won was PTP that is not composed completely of red shirts. Many of the red shirts would not have known that a disaffected general in the pay of a deposed corrupt ex-PM would be leading the military wing of the movement - or even that such a wing existed.

Many red shirts may have mistakenly thought that they were attending a peaceful protest against the coup (albeit 2+ years and 4 PMs too late) and considered that their leaders hate-filled speeches were merely rhetoric, How many actually brought bottles?

To ignore those realities and leap to the conclusion that Seh Daeng represented the "majority of Thais" goes past a flight of fancy well into lunacy, and would be considered an insult by the majority of Thais that I know, and many of those are red shirt supporters.

Nit picking as usual, I see.

The easiest way to stop others pointing out your idiotic statements is to not post them.

[Siam Simon]

Your psychopathic comments reveal how far you are removed from reality.

If you took the time to read my post you would see that the compasrison was made in terms of grieving families and racist, sexist comments, not in terms of their popularity or platforms.

Seh Daeng represented and fought for the Red shirt movement who won the elections, thus for the majority of Thais, not the bunch of crooked bloodsucking leeches you seem to support.

It's obvious you have been reading too many Andy McNab comics when you start spouting terms like "taken out", "remove the piece of garbage", "removed".

Many, many Thais did note vote in the last election. The current government did not get over 50% of that vote. The party that won was PTP that is not composed completely of red shirts. Many of the red shirts would not have known that a disaffected general in the pay of a deposed corrupt ex-PM would be leading the military wing of the movement - or even that such a wing existed.

Many red shirts may have mistakenly thought that they were attending a peaceful protest against the coup (albeit 2+ years and 4 PMs too late) and considered that their leaders hate-filled speeches were merely rhetoric, How many actually brought bottles?

To ignore those realities and leap to the conclusion that Seh Daeng represented the "majority of Thais" goes past a flight of fancy well into lunacy, and would be considered an insult by the majority of Thais that I know, and many of those are red shirt supporters.

Blimey, Mick, what possesed you to show such a sudden burst of sanity and reason? I know from experience that it's beyond the bounds of reason to beseech you to keep it up..

[soylentgreen]

Your psychopathic comments reveal how far you are removed from reality.

If you took the time to read my post you would see that the compasrison was made in terms of grieving families and racist, sexist comments, not in terms of their popularity or platforms.

Seh Daeng represented and fought for the Red shirt movement who won the elections, thus for the majority of Thais, not the bunch of crooked bloodsucking leeches you seem to support.

It's obvious you have been reading too many Andy McNab comics when you start spouting terms like "taken out", "remove the piece of garbage", "removed".

Many, many Thais did note vote in the last election. The current government did not get over 50% of that vote. The party that won was PTP that is not composed completely of red shirts. Many of the red shirts would not have known that a disaffected general in the pay of a deposed corrupt ex-PM would be leading the military wing of the movement - or even that such a wing existed.

Many red shirts may have mistakenly thought that they were attending a peaceful protest against the coup (albeit 2+ years and 4 PMs too late) and considered that their leaders hate-filled speeches were merely rhetoric, How many actually brought bottles?

To ignore those realities and leap to the conclusion that Seh Daeng represented the "majority of Thais" goes past a flight of fancy well into lunacy, and would be considered an insult by the majority of Thais that I know, and many of those are red shirt supporters.

Nit picking as usual, I see.

The easiest way to stop others pointing out your idiotic statements is to not post them.

Look who's talking, , the conspiracy nut himself!

[gemini81]

soylent green: how are the red shirt party not blood sucking leeches?! And their supporters only want handouts.Look no further than this current admin either.

C'mon they have done nothing, and before them was thaksin who did nothing honest, but manipulate people for his own gain and to make his arrogant family richer.

. You can't be that new to Thailand or are you?!

[soylentgreen]

soylent green: how are the red shirt party not blood sucking leeches?! And their supporters only want handouts.Look no further than this current admin either.

C'mon they have done nothing, and before them was thaksin who did nothing honest, but manipulate people for his own gain and to make his arrogant family richer.

. You can't be that new to Thailand or are you?!

Sorry,you are right, I must have been brutally brainwashed by an Issan bar girl, I suppose.

I will try to reeducate myself as to who are the real blodsuckers in Thailand.

Before I wrongly believed that it was the Thai-Chinese elite in Bangkok,but now, after your generous and timely guidance, I realise that it must be the rice farmers in Issan who are the true enemies of Thailand..

Thank you so much.for your illumination.

[z12]

Why and when the Chinese turned away from communism and to capitalism

Why capitalism works and totalitarianism fails

The Secret Document That Transformed China

http://www.npr.org/b...ansformed-china

Where communism goes, famine follows, history has proven time and time again.

Edited January 22, 2012 by z12

[wolf5370]

The thing that get me about this, is if it was some kind of conspiracy perpetrated by the Red Shirts in order to have a martyr, or as an excuse to armed combat, or as evidence after of the fact, or all of the above, then it could not have been done more incompetantly. If a cop wants to fit you up, he puts drugs in your draw and finds them during a search, he doesn't leave them under a tree outside and suggest that they must be yours because you had something to gain from them. What I mean is, why was it not made obvious it was a soldier that did it - a video of a guy in fatigues or a group of soldiers on a roof top witha sniper rifle, or whatever - not exactly hard to make a low quality phone movie showing just that (videod at any time and with sympathisers dressed up) - then it would lend itself nicely and make world news - as it stands it is a rumour no more than the same rumours as to JFK's assassination etc (even more vague as at least then they had a shooter even if some believe it was not him).

So, what does this leave? It really was the Army or PAD as rumoured? It was just someone living nearby that had had enough? That it was just an unlucky random shot that looks like an assissination given the context and apparant expert aim? If they arrested any of the above tomorrow, would you believe it was a good arrest or just a fit up? File it under "no one knows or no one's telling" and move on - I can, of course, understand why his daughter will not - and I wish her luck (which is probably to wish her no success as that may well be ill-luck!)