Jingthing Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Not another f-word thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 ... ...... I find the word slightly offensive as its sometimes used as a negative slur against 'undesirable Westerners'... When friends kids have been calling me 'Uncle Rich', I have over heard their nannies saying... 'go and play with the Farang'... . It is this sort of example I take objection to, its low class phraseology and doesn't paint a positive picture when there is an alternative respectful word which can be used in its place; 'Westerner'... (or name me by person in the example I used). Anyway – this topic is not about the acceptance of the work Farang – there are various other topics which run on this subject – the only conclusion I see from this is that different people have varied opinions… This Topic is about Westerners making fools of themselves, speaking pidgin English to other Westerners and placing Thai words in the place of Western words… We’ve all seen it. Describing it is a little difficult and someone will always find objection to the internet forum description and pick holes in the subject. Regardless of this, we’ve seen this type of behavior and it makes us cringe… So is Westerner an accepted Thai synonym for farang? Anyway, I just feel glad that I don't need to resort to pidgin Thai to make a fool of myself, and that I have so many acquaintances here on TV that are so much better versed in what is acceptable English and Thai speech than my simple education allows. I feel sorry for the arrogant tossers who cannot say the same SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 If you are speaking to another person who you are quite familiar with then what is wrong with throwing in a few Thai phases. especially if it is light-hearted, jovial banter. I am not that fluent in Thai but am always adding vocabulary and if I can practise and re-force what I have learnt then what is the problem? If I am talking with my gf we are always mixing English and Thai and correcting each other and teaching each other correct language pronunciation and usage. This is a fun way of learning .This, however, may not be not practicable, or even good manners, with a stranger. The main purpose of talking is communication and being understood so it matters very little what word or phase or language you use if the correct meaning is understood. Does it really matter if I use the term lorry instead of truck, for example, as long as the receiver understands. And , if somebody uses the word Soi instead of street and we are in Thailand, not London or Paris, then is it not perfectly acceptable? I really fail to see the problem and if learning Thai by having a fun conversation makes me a “ Loser” then so be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 "(you will never hear me use the words: fallang, leuk kreung, soi, teerak, jing when speaking in English) Sounds so retarded since their are legitimate English words." What's the legitimate English word for 'soi'? (Thai) side-street EDIT: The 'Thai' may be implied from context... I know what it means. I was just wondering what legitimate English word the OP uses in conversation. I find it a little hard to believe that he says 'side street 9' rather than soi 9. Lane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgodber Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Why for you kick my dog ? He bark you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelmsman Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The guy in line had an American accent - American's have accents??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodcourt49 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) These losers are one of my pet peeves. They throw a few common Thai phrases in with some broken English and seem to think that they are fluent in Thai. ...you mean 'effluent' Thai don't you! Edited January 31, 2012 by rodcourt49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 ... ...... I find the word slightly offensive as its sometimes used as a negative slur against 'undesirable Westerners'... When friends kids have been calling me 'Uncle Rich', I have over heard their nannies saying... 'go and play with the Farang'... . It is this sort of example I take objection to, its low class phraseology and doesn't paint a positive picture when there is an alternative respectful word which can be used in its place; 'Westerner'... (or name me by person in the example I used). Anyway – this topic is not about the acceptance of the work Farang – there are various other topics which run on this subject – the only conclusion I see from this is that different people have varied opinions… This Topic is about Westerners making fools of themselves, speaking pidgin English to other Westerners and placing Thai words in the place of Western words… We’ve all seen it. Describing it is a little difficult and someone will always find objection to the internet forum description and pick holes in the subject. Regardless of this, we’ve seen this type of behavior and it makes us cringe… So is Westerner an accepted Thai synonym for farang? Anyway, I just feel glad that I don't need to resort to pidgin Thai to make a fool of myself, and that I have so many acquaintances here on TV that are so much better versed in what is acceptable English and Thai speech than my simple education allows. I feel sorry for the arrogant tossers who cannot say the same SC We just waves as we drive motosphsycke back to ivory condo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolstoy Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Xen, read carefully. I am talking about two westerners (native English speakers primarily) using Thai words in their conversations. I am not talking about what you say with your GF or partner. As to the posters about Soi. Yes, using soi when talking about the name of a street is appropriate since that is the name of the street. But when saying "the people on my soi..." is a little retarded when it is just as easy and accurate to say "on my street". I got bit by a stray dog is definitely the best option. Soi dog is not even what is said in Thai. So you are not speaking Thai you are speaking broken pidgeon garbage. The worst that I have seen was a tourist description of a hotel that used words like soi. English speakers in our native lands don't know what a soi is. So it is not descriptive it is diverting. Dont' get me started with the use of "same same": AAAGGGHHH It is like some relatively intelligent people had their brains sucked out of them after a few weeks in Thai bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2unique Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 ... ...... I find the word slightly offensive as its sometimes used as a negative slur against 'undesirable Westerners'... When friends kids have been calling me 'Uncle Rich', I have over heard their nannies saying... 'go and play with the Farang'... . It is this sort of example I take objection to, its low class phraseology and doesn't paint a positive picture when there is an alternative respectful word which can be used in its place; 'Westerner'... (or name me by person in the example I used). Anyway – this topic is not about the acceptance of the work Farang – there are various other topics which run on this subject – the only conclusion I see from this is that different people have varied opinions… This Topic is about Westerners making fools of themselves, speaking pidgin English to other Westerners and placing Thai words in the place of Western words… We’ve all seen it. Describing it is a little difficult and someone will always find objection to the internet forum description and pick holes in the subject. Regardless of this, we’ve seen this type of behavior and it makes us cringe… So is Westerner an accepted Thai synonym for farang? Anyway, I just feel glad that I don't need to resort to pidgin Thai to make a fool of myself, and that I have so many acquaintances here on TV that are so much better versed in what is acceptable English and Thai speech than my simple education allows. I feel sorry for the arrogant tossers who cannot say the same SC We just waves as we drive motosphsycke back to ivory condo. They see you rollin', they hatin'? Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2unique Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Seriously in all my Thai days, I've met 3 people who are fluent. By that I mean they can hold a seminar or conference in Thai not the kindergarten Thai dumbed down for Farangs. As a Black Brit jury is still out on whether I'm a Farang or not from both my western and Thai peers. A pet peeve is just another form of opinion so to force your opinion down others throats as an accepted standard seems rude, stupid and crass particularly when it comes to language and communication which to be honest the majority on TV - either in a rush to be heard, right a wrong or from general lack of academic instruction - make mistakes in their native own. Must be off, so many windmills so little time. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 ... ...... I find the word slightly offensive as its sometimes used as a negative slur against 'undesirable Westerners'... When friends kids have been calling me 'Uncle Rich', I have over heard their nannies saying... 'go and play with the Farang'... . It is this sort of example I take objection to, its low class phraseology and doesn't paint a positive picture when there is an alternative respectful word which can be used in its place; 'Westerner'... (or name me by person in the example I used). Anyway â€" this topic is not about the acceptance of the work Farang â€" there are various other topics which run on this subject â€" the only conclusion I see from this is that different people have varied opinions… This Topic is about Westerners making fools of themselves, speaking pidgin English to other Westerners and placing Thai words in the place of Western words… Weâ€ve all seen it. Describing it is a little difficult and someone will always find objection to the internet forum description and pick holes in the subject. Regardless of this, weâ€ve seen this type of behavior and it makes us cringe… So is Westerner an accepted Thai synonym for farang? Anyway, I just feel glad that I don't need to resort to pidgin Thai to make a fool of myself, and that I have so many acquaintances here on TV that are so much better versed in what is acceptable English and Thai speech than my simple education allows. I feel sorry for the arrogant tossers who cannot say the same SC We just waves as we drive motosphsycke back to ivory condo. They see you rollin', they hatin'? Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com SC did you mean , same same ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Just to be clear, I have no problem with using the word "farang" or "soi" or a couple of other examples. However, I detest native English speakers who are talking to other native speakers and saying things like, "Me like go byteo mack mack." Edited February 1, 2012 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2unique Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Just to be clear, I have no problem with using the word "farang" or "soi" or a couple of other examples. However, I detest native English speakers who are talking to other native speakers and saying things like, "Me like go byteo mack mack." I have problems with anyone speaking like a retard in any language! However if someone is saying, aow mai while handing me a beer I shockingly enough have no problem with that at all. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Just to be clear, I have no problem with using the word "farang" or "soi" or a couple of other examples. However, I detest native English speakers who are talking to other native speakers and saying things like, "Me like go byteo mack mack." I have problems with anyone speaking like a retard in any language! However if someone is saying, aow mai while handing me a beer I shockingly enough have no problem with that at all. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Come on, we all know the point here. It's about sounding like a right royal plonker after having gone a little native without the linguistic skills to back it up ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I hate hearing people speaking horrible bar girl pidgin too, but using a few Thai words that work better than English ones is totally acceptable. Soi is a fantastic word, and it should be incorporated in to all dialects of English as soon as possible. Soi dogs is great too. Stray dogs is just the wrong word for them. Taking words from other languages and making them part of our own is what English is all about 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo007 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Sorry but should it have been " their are " or " there are " if one is talking about speaking correct English??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2unique Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Sorry but should it have been " their are " or " there are " if one is talking about speaking correct English??? Bingo! Now go look up malaprops Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Edited February 1, 2012 by 2unique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) This poster does exactly what I'm talking about in almost every post - although I think that he is just trying be funny, so not a problem in this case. //closed mak mak! Edited February 1, 2012 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 This poster does exactly what I'm talking about in almost every post - although I think that he is just trying be funny, so not a problem in this case. //closed mak mak! Even so, it's still grammatically incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2unique Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Just to be clear, I have no problem with using the word "farang" or "soi" or a couple of other examples. However, I detest native English speakers who are talking to other native speakers and saying things like, "Me like go byteo mack mack." I have problems with anyone speaking like a retard in any language! However if someone is saying, aow mai while handing me a beer I shockingly enough have no problem with that at all. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Come on, we all know the point here. It's about sounding like a right royal plonker after having gone a little native without the linguistic skills to back it up ! Perhaps the new Guy Ritchie, Lock Stock and Two Smokin' Barfines. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolstoy Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Ulysses, that is exactly the poster I had in mind when writing this. As for the use of Fallang, I just mean when someone uses it every sentence. I was talking to a guy who was only here for about 2 weeks and he must have used that word 20 times in a two minute conversation. Personally I use the word tourist when reffering to the drifters that come and go and expats when talking about locals (dare I say immigrants). What is wrong with saying " I talked with two guys lastnight" Why do you need to say "I talked with two fallang lastnight"? As for other Thai words mixed in a sentence. I just think it sounds retarded. But I don't make a big deal about it. Many of the older long term expats that I know here do it. I just ingore it no big deal. But it is just the excessive use of Thai words in a sentence when it isn't necessary. I just personally feel that if I were to do it also, I would be reducing my language skills not improving them. Adding new words into the lexicon is great but not when only a small percentage actually know what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardjm65 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Just to be clear, I have no problem with using the word "farang" or "soi" or a couple of other examples. However, I detest native English speakers who are talking to other native speakers and saying things like, "Me like go byteo mack mack." We've one of these - he's nicknamed "him speak me" and he happily chatters away to all foreigners in this pidgin. He's harmless, but genuinely believes he's showing his mastery of communication. Even the Norwegians find it funny! He comes here for about five months a year and I do wonder if he carries the habit back to his local pub in England. "Sawatdee crap, me want pint Tetley's bitter, chai mai, crap". He's also a great wai-er - anything or anyone that moves gets a good wai-ing, usually the full job, hands above the head, knees and back deeply bent to show his respect. Adults, kids and (most disconcerting), the assembled foreigners which, once again, even the Norwegians find funny. But there you go. Lucky me not same same him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmac Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 This poster does exactly what I'm talking about in almost every post - although I think that he is just trying be funny, so not a problem in this case. //closed mak mak! Funny how he came to my mind too, UG! And did we ever find out what a "nord" was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Just to be clear, I have no problem with using the word "farang" or "soi" or a couple of other examples. However, I detest native English speakers who are talking to other native speakers and saying things like, "Me like go byteo mack mack." I have problems with anyone speaking like a retard in any language! However if someone is saying, aow mai while handing me a beer I shockingly enough have no problem with that at all. Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Come on, we all know the point here. It's about sounding like a right royal plonker after having gone a little native without the linguistic skills to back it up ! Which is quite moot, as you'll find very very few that have gone native and attempt to keep regular company with their own [sort to speak].....contradicts itself considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardenedSoul Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Whether or not I dumb down my English to better communicate with the locals depends largely on my mood. I hate doing it with a vengeance but in the interests of being understood, I often have little choice but to slip in a Thai word here and there. Having said that, I'm often surprised at how much I have to simply the beautiful tongue when speaking to my own bloody countrymen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Xen, read carefully. I am talking about two westerners (native English speakers primarily) using Thai words in their conversations. I am not talking about what you say with your GF or partner. As to the posters about Soi. Yes, using soi when talking about the name of a street is appropriate since that is the name of the street. But when saying "the people on my soi..." is a little retarded when it is just as easy and accurate to say "on my street". Street is the English equivalent of thanon not soi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I'm full of love for you all. Whether you can speak Thai or not....but especially the ladies amongst ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2unique Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Xen, read carefully. I am talking about two westerners (native English speakers primarily) using Thai words in their conversations. I am not talking about what you say with your GF or partner. As to the posters about Soi. Yes, using soi when talking about the name of a street is appropriate since that is the name of the street. But when saying "the people on my soi..." is a little retarded when it is just as easy and accurate to say "on my street". Street is the English equivalent of thanon not soi. Not Road? Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Xen, read carefully. I am talking about two westerners (native English speakers primarily) using Thai words in their conversations. I am not talking about what you say with your GF or partner. As to the posters about Soi. Yes, using soi when talking about the name of a street is appropriate since that is the name of the street. But when saying "the people on my soi..." is a little retarded when it is just as easy and accurate to say "on my street". Street is the English equivalent of thanon not soi. That would be 'road' SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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