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Moving to visa forum for more comment

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All extensions are done at local immigration offices throughout Thailand. Only those who do not qualify or know cross borders for new entry (not an extension).

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That map of all the Immigration offices that lopburi3 posted via Mario the other day was a great map and maybe should be pinned. (If there is a place to pic here? I never looked) lol

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What -Cathy211- ment was, why there have to be borderruns and Visaruns to Consular sections of Thai Embassys around South East Asia when it would be easy and convinient to pay a fee for staying same it is done in Cambodia.

An old question, nobody can really answer.

And why not stop with that Visa and Borderruns, with Tens of Thousands of Kilometers for nothing and flying miles! by Bus ect to Ranong-on this same road, Penang-crazy long drive, Aranyaprathet-Poipet, Phnom Penh, Nong Khai, Vientiane ect!!!

Why not make it same in -Cambodia- can pay your Visa Extension inside country-Official and even with agents, without moving your ass from the beachchair!!! Convinient and not same dangerous same in Thailand! And the Thai Goverment gets the money, not the border taxes have to be paid to Lao, Cambodia or Myanmar!jap.gif

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What -Cathy211- ment was, why there have to be borderruns and Visaruns to Consular sections of Thai Embassys around South East Asia when it would be easy and convinient to pay a fee for staying same it is done in Cambodia.

An old question, nobody can really answer.

And why not stop with that Visa and Borderruns, with Tens of Thousands of Kilometers for nothing and flying miles! by Bus ect to Ranong-on this same road, Penang-crazy long drive, Aranyaprathet-Poipet, Phnom Penh, Nong Khai, Vientiane ect!!!

Why not make it same in -Cambodia- can pay your Visa Extension inside country-Official and even with agents, without moving your ass from the beachchair!!! Convinient and not same dangerous same in Thailand! And the Thai Goverment gets the money, not the border taxes have to be paid to Lao, Cambodia or Myanmar!jap.gif

The answer is you can, but must meet certain criteria if you want to extend in Thailand itself. Just like it is in many other countries.

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What -Cathy211- ment was, why there have to be borderruns and Visaruns to Consular sections of Thai Embassys around South East Asia when it would be easy and convinient to pay a fee for staying same it is done in Cambodia.

An old question, nobody can really answer.

And why not stop with that Visa and Borderruns, with Tens of Thousands of Kilometers for nothing and flying miles! by Bus ect to Ranong-on this same road, Penang-crazy long drive, Aranyaprathet-Poipet, Phnom Penh, Nong Khai, Vientiane ect!!!

Why not make it same in -Cambodia- can pay your Visa Extension inside country-Official and even with agents, without moving your ass from the beachchair!!! Convinient and not same dangerous same in Thailand! And the Thai Goverment gets the money, not the border taxes have to be paid to Lao, Cambodia or Myanmar!jap.gif

So, what you are proposing is that anyone be able to come to Thailand on a tourist visa and basically never have to leave again.

Does your proposal only apply to Westerners? Or would you grant the same privilege to the Burmese, Laotians, and Cambodians? What about Indians, Bangladeshis, Arabs, and Africans?

Do you think it would make Thailand a better place? Have you actually thought this through beyond your own personal situation?

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Mario 2008,

I would prefer to a have a situation same in Cambodia. You pay inside the country to the Immigration officials threw Agents, without travelling and can stay in the country. No more questions asked.

NewlyMintedThai

I have children with Thais, but until Nov 2009 and as I was not 50 and retired I must constantly travel and apply for Touristvisas.

Since 2009 its easyer now, could apply for Non Immigrant -O- but was denied last time in Singapore for insufficiant paperwork.

Anyway, I, for many years was on a constantly coming and going to fit in the regulations.

Same time I could pay a fee inside Thailand and get for that fee an extension of stay, that fee goes to the Thai Goverment and no money for Entry fees to Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar or to Airlines, Busses ect.

Which countrys are qualified for such a solution must be decided on a next level.

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Mario 2008,

I would prefer to a have a situation same in Cambodia. You pay inside the country ,to the Immigration officials threw Agents, without travelling and can stay in the country. No more questions asked.

NewlyMintedThai

I have children with Thais, but until Nov 2009 and as I was not 50 and retired I must constantly travel and apply for Touristvisas.

Since 2009 its easyer now, could apply for Non Immigrant -O- but was denied last time in Singapore for insufficiant paperwork.

Anyway, I, for many years was on a constantly coming and going to fit in the regulations.

Same time I could pay a fee inside Thailand and get for that fee an extension of stay, that fee goes to the Thai Goverment and no money for Entry fees to Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar or to Airlines, Busses ect.

Which countrys are qualified for such a solution must be decided on a next level.

I don't understand. If you had children in Thailand and presumably you were married there you'd have been ways to extend your stay in country.

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Slightly different subject. Has anyone ever succeeded in converting a non-b to a tourist visa at immigration? I know you can convert a tourist visa to a non-b at immigration. If so, are there any particulars?

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No you can not convert visas period. New visa entries are only issued in the process of extension of stay.

This was a couple years ago but a fellow farang went to lao to get his non-b with our company The company made mistakes in the documents and the consulate rejected his application. He then applied and received a tourist visa where the company went to immigration and changed it to a non-b. Maybe they stopped doing that type of change.

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He did that in the extension of stay for work process - presenting evidence he would qualify for one year extension of stay and paying 2,000 baht for the 90 day entry and later 1,900 baht for one year extension of stay. No conversion of stay is made without meeting extension of stay paperwork and there is no one year extension of stay for tourist visa purpose.

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He did that in the extension of stay for work process - presenting evidence he would qualify for one year extension of stay and paying 2,000 baht for the 90 day entry and later 1,900 baht for one year extension of stay. No conversion of stay is made without meeting extension of stay paperwork and there is no one year extension of stay for tourist visa purpose.

Ok, thanks for the reply. That makes sense.

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The sub topic of this post is "why can't we pay the fees in Thailand".

Answer: economics

I was in Singapore a few years ago and was caught in a traffic jam. I was travelling with a government official.

The reason for the traffic jam was that they were widening the road. There were women with hammers making large stones into small stones and others putting them in wheelbarrows and others packing them down to make the road bed. I asked the official why they didn't use modern equipment and his answer was "if we did they wouldn't have jobs.

It would be great for the people who benefit from it, but what happens to the people whose jobs would be now redundant?

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I think the main reason that activating second and third entries in Thailand is not allowed is that these visa types were never intended for people that stay in Thailand semi-permanently (sorry, only word I could think of). A double or triple entry Tourist visa was designed for a Tourist who visited Thailand and one or two other countries for more than one day during their vacation. Similarly a multi entry B was for businessmen visiting, checking things out, having meetings in more that one country whilst on a trip.

For longer stays the retirement, marriage, dependent, investment (10/40 mill thb) or education paths are available.

Only the education is available to most people, but still some people resent having to pay for that, they expect Thailand to bow down to their requirements. I, personally would love to be able to go to immigration and they all respectfully wai me and say "welcome terryq how many more years would you like this time sir, thank you for your illustrious presence in Thailand", somehow I don't think its going to happen rolleyes.gif .

The ed visa seems so easy to stay for a longer period of time, how long is it going to last without some restriction ??

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The sub topic of this post is "why can't we pay the fees in Thailand".

Answer: economics

I was in Singapore a few years ago and was caught in a traffic jam. I was travelling with a government official.

The reason for the traffic jam was that they were widening the road. There were women with hammers making large stones into small stones and others putting them in wheelbarrows and others packing them down to make the road bed. I asked the official why they didn't use modern equipment and his answer was "if we did they wouldn't have jobs.

It would be great for the people who benefit from it, but what happens to the people whose jobs would be now redundant?

Thats the interesting thing about asians they think it is important to keep people working as in the west put as many out of work to cut cost.I think I like the first equation better.

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The sub topic of this post is "why can't we pay the fees in Thailand".

Answer: economics

I was in Singapore a few years ago and was caught in a traffic jam. I was travelling with a government official.

The reason for the traffic jam was that they were widening the road. There were women with hammers making large stones into small stones and others putting them in wheelbarrows and others packing them down to make the road bed. I asked the official why they didn't use modern equipment and his answer was "if we did they wouldn't have jobs.

It would be great for the people who benefit from it, but what happens to the people whose jobs would be now redundant?

Thats the interesting thing about asians they think it is important to keep people working as in the west put as many out of work to cut cost.I think I like the first equation better.

the idea is you educate and train the population to do more technical jobs like designing and building said machines its called progress..its how countries move on

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The sub topic of this post is "why can't we pay the fees in Thailand".

Answer: economics

I was in Singapore a few years ago and was caught in a traffic jam. I was travelling with a government official.

The reason for the traffic jam was that they were widening the road. There were women with hammers making large stones into small stones and others putting them in wheelbarrows and others packing them down to make the road bed. I asked the official why they didn't use modern equipment and his answer was "if we did they wouldn't have jobs.

It would be great for the people who benefit from it, but what happens to the people whose jobs would be now redundant?

Every nation reserves the right of unfettered access for its citizens, and its citizens only. Most country’s value sovereignty so highly they will go to war over a sliver of land that is in dispute, even if that sliver of land is a useless mudflat or a rock 3km out to sea.

Given this, it isn’t surprising that a country won’t be willing to partake in what amounts trading this sovereignty for a few trinkets, or in this case, a couple of hundred bucks every year to stay indefinitely.

Any subsequent access to long term stay (ie permanent residency or citizenship) requires immigrants to have contribute something that the country in question deems fit. It may be a good track record of employment, education and in most cases, relationships with citizens of that country, either via marriage or descent.

To also think that the government 'needs' the money is also somewhat naive. The RTG has an annual tax collection of something like 2 trillion baht from memory.

Faced with needing more money, the government is probably going to focus on lower hanging fruit (increased compliance for corporate and indivisdual tax payers) than try and get a few thousand baht off a relative handful of wannabe longstayers.

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NewlyMintedThai

I have children with Thais, but until Nov 2009 and as I was not 50 and retired I must constantly travel and apply for Touristvisas.

Since 2009 its easyer now, could apply for Non Immigrant -O-

Anyway, I, for many years was on a constantly coming and going to fit in the regulations.

I don't understand. If you had children in Thailand and presumably you were married there you'd have been ways to extend your stay in country.

First, I am not married,but have children and I was not 50 year old and not retired. In that circumstances, the Immigration laws did not care if you had childen with a Thai or not.

A Non Immigrant O was not possible until November 2009.

You only could apply for a extension of stay for the reason that you had children with Thai citicen, but also not indifinetely.

You had from time to time to leave the country to make a borderrun or a new Touristvisa.

Since Nov. 2009 the possibilitys and restrictions changed, you can now also under 50 and unmarried go for a Non Immigrant O.

Was it in Nov 2009 enough than to show a valid birthcertificate from your child with yourself as a father,

so are now some more papers necessary to achieve a Goal and a Non Immigrant O!

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The sub topic of this post is "why can't we pay the fees in Thailand".

Answer: economics

I was in Singapore a few years ago and was caught in a traffic jam. I was travelling with a government official.

The reason for the traffic jam was that they were widening the road. There were women with hammers making large stones into small stones and others putting them in wheelbarrows and others packing them down to make the road bed. I asked the official why they didn't use modern equipment and his answer was "if we did they wouldn't have jobs.

It would be great for the people who benefit from it, but what happens to the people whose jobs would be now redundant?

Thats the interesting thing about asians they think it is important to keep people working as in the west put as many out of work to cut cost.I think I like the first equation better.

the idea is you educate and train the population to do more technical jobs like designing and building said machines its called progress..its how countries move on

Yes progress is good but there are always a segement of the population who will not or cannot make progress and they need jobs as well.Keeping people working keeps them off the barracaids.

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I disagree with your vision of work. Pushing your logic to the edges when a dictators who is giving work to thousands of torturers is pushed out, it is a bad news because the torturers are now unemployed....

Work is something mandatory for most people survival because the profit that come from automation is not redistributed but concentrated in some pockets. This is causing a systemic problem because the missing salary is replaced by debt, "enslaving" more and more people and creating a debt buble.

Work on top of income generation is also giving to people a social appartenance. But work is unfortunatelly rarely elevating human being. Some have dreamed of a society where we could spend our time to learning new things, spend time with ou beloved, practicing arts... And work would be just at bare minimum. In fact today's techniques make this dream possible but it seems that it is not the human being destiny, we want MORE, first more humans (x2 every 30 years) more and biger cars houses, boats, planes more $£¥â‚¬.

About money it is intersting that we all run for it but there is very little to read or sea about the real nature of money.

During the collonisation of africa, english Colons encontered a problem. They took the land and wrote title over it but slavery was forbidden. So they offer £ salaries to the local poppulation. The locals had no interest into £ they had their simple life and where happy so only a few accepted to work for money so that was no good for the business. Then they had an idea, since there where no interest in £ they created a tax in £ for everyone that if not paid will sent you in jail. The only way to get the £ was to WORK for the colons...

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