Red Shirts And Multicolored Shirts To Rally For And Against Charter Change

[whybother]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

But the yellows ...

So, you are against "criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment".

Edited February 24, 2012 by whybother

[OzMick]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

I'm surprised that the charge hasn't been laid, though I suppose terrorism is close enough. Does it matter to the executed what crime they were executed for?

[animatic]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

But the yellows ...

So, you are against "criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment".

Can't say the coup forgiveness deal was very private, actually not at all, since it was in the constitution and the whole country voted on it, 70% Yeh. If there was that much public against that, they could have voted Nay and sent it back for another rewrite. But they didn't, an contrary to the Pro-Thaksin lobby's disseminations, they did have that option and knew it.

This might be at the crux of the new rewrite, adding in wording that cryptically can get Thaksin his free pass. Won't be easy to pass it by in the clear, but I won't bet they won't try. Plus other items slightly recorded to give his game plans less roadblocks and the path to greatest control smoothed.

Certainly cutting a deal with this government would be Conflict of Interest.

But considering he stands convicted of "Conflict of Interest",

I don't see him shying from that too much.

But most likely there are too many of his opponents that fear for their livelihoods and or their lives if he is in a position to exact complete revenge. It's doubtful they will let that happen. To do so would be suicidal or just plain head in the sand blind.

Edited February 24, 2012 by animatic

[birdpooguava]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

But the yellows ...

So, you are against "criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment".

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Can't say the coup forgiveness deal was very private, actually not at all, since it was in the constitution and the whole country voted on it 70%. If there was that much public against that, they could have voted Nay and sent it back for another rewrite. But they didn't, an contrary to the Pro-Thaksin lobby's disseminations they did have that option and knew it.

This might be at the crux of the new rewrite, adding in wording that cryptically can get Thaksin his free pass. Won't be easy to pass it by in the clear, but I won't bet they won't try.

You really need to do some reading about the validity and transparency of the referendum on the last constitution as you are deluded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Constitution_of_Thailand

[animatic]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

And the populace that voted in the constitution let them off the hook,

knowing this was the case well in advance. And knowing they could have voted no,

and sent it back for a rewrite.

People might consider not basing reference citations on Wiki.

Wiki is a questionable reference, especially in something like this.

Since partisan edits are continuous on it.

But call it 60% if you like. It is still the law of the land.

Edited February 24, 2012 by animatic

[Buchholz]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

Actually, elite Thaksin's door also has a capital offence for terrorism awaiting his return.

Might go a long way in explaining his willingness to go the extremes he has in order to be exonerated from the potential death penalty.

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[sparebox2]

The charter change is for the benefit of Thaksin, not the Thai people.

[tlansford]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

But the yellows ...

So, you are against "criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment".

Can't say the coup forgiveness deal was very private, actually not at all, since it was in the constitution and the whole country voted on it, 70% Yeh. If there was that much public against that, they could have voted Nay and sent it back for another rewrite. But they didn't, an contrary to the Pro-Thaksin lobby's disseminations, they did have that option and knew it.

This might be at the crux of the new rewrite, adding in wording that cryptically can get Thaksin his free pass. Won't be easy to pass it by in the clear, but I won't bet they won't try. Plus other items slightly recorded to give his game plans less roadblocks and the path to greatest control smoothed.

Certainly cutting a deal with this government would be Conflict of Interest.

But considering he stands convicted of "Conflict of Interest",

I don't see him shying from that too much.

But most likely there are too many of his opponents that fear for their livelihoods and or their lives if he is in a position to exact complete revenge. It's doubtful they will let that happen. To do so would be suicidal or just plain head in the sand blind.

There is that 70% number again. When are you going to learn to use google or stop knowingly spreading disinformation?

[animatic]

60% if you prefer. It was a solid majority.

Even if Wiki as a reference is unstable.

And the rest of it still stands.

Edited February 24, 2012 by animatic

[CalgaryII]

The charter change is for the benefit of Thaksin, not the Thai people.

The tiresome mantra of the Opposition, preaching to their own choir.

Here are the reasons for charter change:

The present constitution does not support political parties but undermines them.

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organisations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

The constitution is undemocratic as it resulted from the 2006 military coup.

The charter creates divisions among the public, which necessitates drawing up a new and a more democratic constitution.

Edited February 24, 2012 by CalgaryII

[CalgaryII]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

Actually, elite Thaksin's door also has a capital offence for terrorism awaiting his return.

Might go a long way in explaining his willingness to go the extremes he has in order to be exonerated from the potential death penalty.

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Indoctrinated Thaksin hater stuff

[CalgaryII]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

But the yellows ...

So, you are against "criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment".

Can't say the coup forgiveness deal was very private, actually not at all, since it was in the constitution and the whole country voted on it, 70% Yeh. If there was that much public against that, they could have voted Nay and sent it back for another rewrite. But they didn't, an contrary to the Pro-Thaksin lobby's disseminations, they did have that option and knew it.

This might be at the crux of the new rewrite, adding in wording that cryptically can get Thaksin his free pass. Won't be easy to pass it by in the clear, but I won't bet they won't try. Plus other items slightly recorded to give his game plans less roadblocks and the path to greatest control smoothed.

Certainly cutting a deal with this government would be Conflict of Interest.

But considering he stands convicted of "Conflict of Interest",

I don't see him shying from that too much.

But most likely there are too many of his opponents that fear for their livelihoods and or their lives if he is in a position to exact complete revenge. It's doubtful they will let that happen. To do so would be suicidal or just plain head in the sand blind.

"Indoctrinated by Opposition' Thaksin hater stuff aside, keep in mind anything to do with the Coup constitution is irrelevant, considering it was a coup constitution.

That includes its' formulation, referendums, its' one-man focus.....all of it.

Under the auspices of a coup adminstration, it is all null and void. Also see Nitirat proposals in this regard.

The election voided it. Its abrogation to take effect when an elected Govt. completes a legitimate one.

They are working hard on that now.

[Reasonableman]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CalgaryII. Why waste time on recycled pap from a mindless robot?

[OzMick]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CalgaryII. Why waste time on recycled pap from a mindless robot?

I have the same, for the same reason. Apparently I am an "indoctrinated Thaksin-hater," a condition I attribute to my father who taught me that theft is wrong but theft in public office is abominable.

I can still remember reading in the Post many years ago the story about the soft loan to Burma to upgrade their communications software. My reaction was the same as many others - "You have got to be <deleted> joking!"

[tlansford]

60% if you prefer. It was a solid majority.

Even if Wiki as a reference is unstable.

And the rest of it still stands.

LOL

I prefer the 56.69% with the ECT as a source.

So the rest of my post still stands.

[tlansford]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CalgaryII. Why waste time on recycled pap from a mindless robot?

works on Bucholz too.

[phiphidon]

60% if you prefer. It was a solid majority.

Even if Wiki as a reference is unstable.

And the rest of it still stands.

Really, not so sure about the "if you vote no we'll send it back for a rewrite". It was "if this constitution is not voted for with a majority we (the Army Junta) will pick a constitution of our choice to impose". With the obvious inference/threat that they would undo what civil and human rights had been gained by the 1997 constitution. Some free choice that. But Hey, if you want to preach that coups are good for the country, you carry on.

[blows]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CalgaryII. Why waste time on recycled pap from a mindless robot?

Some of the zombie rants make my brain hurt.

[Reasonableman]

Life is good without "agenized" idiots. Enjoy! ;-)))

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CalgaryII. Why waste time on recycled pap from a mindless robot?

Some of the zombie rants make my brain hurt.

[whybother]

Really, not so sure about the "if you vote no we'll send it back for a rewrite". It was "if this constitution is not voted for with a majority we (the Army Junta) will pick a constitution of our choice to impose". With the obvious inference/threat that they would undo what civil and human rights had been gained by the 1997 constitution. Some free choice that. But Hey, if you want to preach that coups are good for the country, you carry on.

So, when the new constitution comes up for a vote, the people will vote Yes, because if they vote No ... shock / horror ... it will have to be changed to something else.

[Buchholz]

Do you advocate criminals being allowed to cut private deals to avoid their court-awarded punishment?

Well the criminals who launched the illegal coup cut themselves a private deal.True that there was no court decision because the case never came to trial, the charge of course (which would have been treason, a capital offence) far more serious than anything the unelected elite could lay at Thaksin's door.

Actually, elite Thaksin's door also has a capital offence for terrorism awaiting his return.

Might go a long way in explaining his willingness to go the extremes he has in order to be exonerated from the potential death penalty.

.

Indoctrinated Thaksin hater stuff

Lobbying Thaksin Lover nonsense

The above fact I posted is public knowledge.

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Edited February 24, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CalgaryII. Why waste time on recycled pap from a mindless robot?

works on Bucholz too.

It's a shame you miss out then on so many "Popular" rated posts.

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