Thai Govt Must Block Plans For Red-Shirt 'Welcome' For Thaksin

[coma]

American Presidents, Austrian nobles, Kings and Ministers all get assassinated, Nowhere is safe. Remember this http://abcnews.go.co...71#.T2mPO8XxqQk

Dubai is not safer than anywhere else if the assassins are determined. Thaksin in Thailand surrounded by loyalists would actually probably be safer than in Dubai.

I am sure Saeh Daeng's daughter wiould agree with your point.

Yes. I think Thaksin would be taking his life into his own hands should he return. I know of at least one certain rich and powerful media man,who himself was a victim of an assassination attempt in the middle of BKK not to long ago ,that would smile hard on the inside if Thaksin got whacked.

Seh Daeng style or any other style for that matter .

[sparebox2]

So the rumors that he wants to be the President of the New Thai State has some ground?

[GentlemanJim]

"Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to return Home" #16^

"Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity"

• Did Korkaew say all that?......Hmmm, somehow I doubt it.
  
• I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth.
  
• I know it is a favorite bit of misdirection by the Opposition. to state baldly that Thaksin is judicially illegal, as if it was within a normal judicial context. For that reason I don't think Korkeaw laid it out quite that way.
  
• The Opposition often fail to qualify this thing within the circumstance at the time. The wee tad of extra information about it being during a coup administration who deposed him for self-serving reasons, and then launched into an equally self-serving criminalization campaign in an attempt to exculpate themselves.
  
• Hardly the stuff of judicial normalcy and therefore the focus of the Nitirat proposals.
  
• Gives some indication why this opposition is so opposed to Nitirat, that they will even send goons after them.
  
• This is also a repetitive statement of mine, but when some media have no qualms about such repetition, neither will I.
  

You seem to go to great lengths to pull apart the statements in the media, forgetting that in general they are mostly inaccurate anyway, written by Journo's who use English as a second (sometimes third it seems) language.

So in your defence of Thaksin you seem to be suggesting that the Judiciary did not make unbiased lawful judgements. How exactly would you defend Thaksin's blatant evasion (not avoidance) of taxes during the selling of Shincorp? How do you defend the acquisition of land and resale at massively inflated prices to government projects by family members? (as good as any insider trading scam). The man basically had everything, he now wants so much more. He is a crook and a criminal and until any judicial ruling is found faulty by the judiciary then upon his return he MUST be treated like the fugitive criminal that he is. Please explain why he deserves a dignified return?

1. Sales of listed shares through the SET has always been tax exempt. If you want to blame anybody blame Korn for not pursuing the Revenue Department. Try looking in the other paper for info on this. Illegal, No, ethical, No - you show me a truly ethical successful businessman or politician.

The Appeals Court has overturned the Criminal Court's ruling and acquitted ex wife of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Khunying Pojaman Na Pombejara, in a 546 million baht Shin Corporation tax evasion case.

http://www.tannetwor...?DataID=1047096

If you're complaining about foreign ownership of Shin Corp see who else was involved. Try digging deeper and look at Siam Commercial Bank and the dig a bit deeper and you''ll see why nobody really is going to argue this point.

2. Thaksins wife bought the land for 772 million baht, a reasonable price at the time. The civil court said this was illegal and she must give back the land to the FIDF and reimburse her for the original cost plus the difference between the original outlay and the new worth, which they did. It's called property price growth and is normal (unless you mess about with unrealistic mortgages as the americans did and effed us all up)

As I've said before, hardly Blomfeld territory, many others had their finger in the pie but the focus is on one man.

The sale of Shincorp was a little more devious than that and you know it. Just prior to its sale to SIngapore, the Government changed the law concerning foreign holdings in Thai Telecom companies. Now whose Government was that? Thaksins Government. Conflict of interest? you bet your bottom dollar it was. The law was the only obstical to Shincorp being sold to a foreign investor, so the law was changed to facilitate the sale.Furthermore Thaksins claim that the transaction was free from Capital gains tax was found not to be legal by the courts.

If we are now to believe that the judiciary at the time could not make an objective honest decision because of interference from the coup makers and their political masters, how are we supposed to believe that any judgment from the judiciary under the current government can be made without pressure and interference from the current Thaksin worshipping government.

Edited March 21, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

[tragickingdom]

The Democrat Party is no longer in place. Unless there will be a coup soon thy will continue they streak of lost elections well to in the next decade. Someone should explain the DP and their club-newsletter "The Nation" that a government cannot prevent people from assembling. They have the right on demonstrations and gatherings. Establishing a life firing zone like Suthep and his shoeshine boy Abhisit did is no longer an option. Grow up and learn to live with it.

[volk666]

1. Sales of listed shares through the SET has always been tax exempt. If you want to blame anybody blame Korn for not pursuing the Revenue Department. Try looking in the other paper for info on this. Illegal, No, ethical, No - you show me a truly ethical successful businessman or politician.

They didn't tax the sale of Shin on the stock exchange, it's a typical Thaksin's misdirection, repeated over and over again, they taxed the sale of stocks from Ample Rich to Thaksin's children a couple of days earlier, that sale wasn't registered on the Stock Exchange and wasn't exempt form taxation.

Subsequent back and forth on collecting those taxes is related to later court ruling that children weren't the true owners of the shares and so shouldn't be taxed. If you search Korn's blog or twitter account he made quite a lot of fuss about this matter.

The Appeals Court has overturned the Criminal Court's ruling and acquitted ex wife of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Khunying Pojaman Na Pombejara, in a 546 million baht Shin Corporation tax evasion case.

This is about Thaksin, not his wife, she came back with a tail between her legs and subsequently got rewarded.

2. Thaksins wife bought the land for 772 million baht, a reasonable price at the time. The civil court said this was illegal and she must give back the land to the FIDF and reimburse her for the original cost plus the difference between the original outlay and the new worth, which they did. It's called property price growth and is normal (unless you mess about with unrealistic mortgages as the americans did and effed us all up)

Another misdirection - wife was not an office holder and the court stated right away that it has no jurisdiction, Thaksin WAS an office holder and had to take responsibility for his wife's actions.

[sirchai]

Kwanchai urged Thaksin to return through the Thai-Lao Friendship Bridge in Nong Khai following the Songkran celebrations in Vientiane in April. He said he would mobilise some 10 million Isaan people to welcome and protect Thaksin.

Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua said Thaksin could decide for himself about the timing for his homecoming

I'm trying to do mt best that less people from my wife's village will believe this pckir. The right timing, the right place, Mr. T.?

'If some 10 million people will wait for him without receiving good money, I'll quit my job and get the siht out of here. No more weirdies like Thaksin, his sister's already enough proof that nothing is as it supposed to be. Some people here are only alive because it's against the law to shoot them.....

[phiphidon]

"Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to return Home" #16^

"Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity"

• Did Korkaew say all that?......Hmmm, somehow I doubt it.
  
• I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth.
  
• I know it is a favorite bit of misdirection by the Opposition. to state baldly that Thaksin is judicially illegal, as if it was within a normal judicial context. For that reason I don't think Korkeaw laid it out quite that way.
  
• The Opposition often fail to qualify this thing within the circumstance at the time. The wee tad of extra information about it being during a coup administration who deposed him for self-serving reasons, and then launched into an equally self-serving criminalization campaign in an attempt to exculpate themselves.
  
• Hardly the stuff of judicial normalcy and therefore the focus of the Nitirat proposals.
  
• Gives some indication why this opposition is so opposed to Nitirat, that they will even send goons after them.
  
• This is also a repetitive statement of mine, but when some media have no qualms about such repetition, neither will I.
  

You seem to go to great lengths to pull apart the statements in the media, forgetting that in general they are mostly inaccurate anyway, written by Journo's who use English as a second (sometimes third it seems) language.

So in your defence of Thaksin you seem to be suggesting that the Judiciary did not make unbiased lawful judgements. How exactly would you defend Thaksin's blatant evasion (not avoidance) of taxes during the selling of Shincorp? How do you defend the acquisition of land and resale at massively inflated prices to government projects by family members? (as good as any insider trading scam). The man basically had everything, he now wants so much more. He is a crook and a criminal and until any judicial ruling is found faulty by the judiciary then upon his return he MUST be treated like the fugitive criminal that he is. Please explain why he deserves a dignified return?

1. Sales of listed shares through the SET has always been tax exempt. If you want to blame anybody blame Korn for not pursuing the Revenue Department. Try looking in the other paper for info on this. Illegal, No, ethical, No - you show me a truly ethical successful businessman or politician.

The Appeals Court has overturned the Criminal Court's ruling and acquitted ex wife of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Khunying Pojaman Na Pombejara, in a 546 million baht Shin Corporation tax evasion case.

http://www.tannetwor...?DataID=1047096

If you're complaining about foreign ownership of Shin Corp see who else was involved. Try digging deeper and look at Siam Commercial Bank and the dig a bit deeper and you''ll see why nobody really is going to argue this point.

2. Thaksins wife bought the land for 772 million baht, a reasonable price at the time. The civil court said this was illegal and she must give back the land to the FIDF and reimburse her for the original cost plus the difference between the original outlay and the new worth, which they did. It's called property price growth and is normal (unless you mess about with unrealistic mortgages as the americans did and effed us all up)

As I've said before, hardly Blomfeld territory, many others had their finger in the pie but the focus is on one man.

The sale of Shincorp was a little more devious than that and you know it. Just prior to its sale to SIngapore, the Government changed the law concerning foreign holdings in Thai Telecom companies. Now whose Government was that? Thaksins Government. Conflict of interest? you bet your bottom dollar it was. The law was the only obstical to Shincorp being sold to a foreign investor, so the law was changed to facilitate the sale.Furthermore Thaksins claim that the transaction was free from Capital gains tax was found not to be legal by the courts.

If we are now to believe that the judiciary at the time could not make an objective honest decision because of interference from the coup makers and their political masters, how are we supposed to believe that any judgment from the judiciary under the current government can be made without pressure and interference from the current Thaksin worshipping government.

Did you dig any further as I suggested and find out who else would have benefitted by these rule changes - obviously not. I can't help you any more than that on this forum. The Judges were all supposed to be squeaky clean during the abhisit reign so I'm told. When do you think the verdict against Thaksin and family was over ruled? Likewise if you want to blame anyone for not chasing the tax blame Korn.

[bigbamboo]

So the rumors that he wants to be the President of the New Thai State has some ground?

That isn't news.

[oldthaihand6]

Bangkok Bank of Commerce

Siam Commercial Bank

???? any reincarnation??

Would'nt be too surprised, to see the shareholding % of old and new.

[GentlemanJim]

You seem to go to great lengths to pull apart the statements in the media, forgetting that in general they are mostly inaccurate anyway, written by Journo's who use English as a second (sometimes third it seems) language.

So in your defence of Thaksin you seem to be suggesting that the Judiciary did not make unbiased lawful judgements. How exactly would you defend Thaksin's blatant evasion (not avoidance) of taxes during the selling of Shincorp? How do you defend the acquisition of land and resale at massively inflated prices to government projects by family members? (as good as any insider trading scam). The man basically had everything, he now wants so much more. He is a crook and a criminal and until any judicial ruling is found faulty by the judiciary then upon his return he MUST be treated like the fugitive criminal that he is. Please explain why he deserves a dignified return?

1. Sales of listed shares through the SET has always been tax exempt. If you want to blame anybody blame Korn for not pursuing the Revenue Department. Try looking in the other paper for info on this. Illegal, No, ethical, No - you show me a truly ethical successful businessman or politician.

The Appeals Court has overturned the Criminal Court's ruling and acquitted ex wife of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Khunying Pojaman Na Pombejara, in a 546 million baht Shin Corporation tax evasion case.

http://www.tannetwor...?DataID=1047096

If you're complaining about foreign ownership of Shin Corp see who else was involved. Try digging deeper and look at Siam Commercial Bank and the dig a bit deeper and you''ll see why nobody really is going to argue this point.

2. Thaksins wife bought the land for 772 million baht, a reasonable price at the time. The civil court said this was illegal and she must give back the land to the FIDF and reimburse her for the original cost plus the difference between the original outlay and the new worth, which they did. It's called property price growth and is normal (unless you mess about with unrealistic mortgages as the americans did and effed us all up)

As I've said before, hardly Blomfeld territory, many others had their finger in the pie but the focus is on one man.

The sale of Shincorp was a little more devious than that and you know it. Just prior to its sale to SIngapore, the Government changed the law concerning foreign holdings in Thai Telecom companies. Now whose Government was that? Thaksins Government. Conflict of interest? you bet your bottom dollar it was. The law was the only obstical to Shincorp being sold to a foreign investor, so the law was changed to facilitate the sale.Furthermore Thaksins claim that the transaction was free from Capital gains tax was found not to be legal by the courts.

If we are now to believe that the judiciary at the time could not make an objective honest decision because of interference from the coup makers and their political masters, how are we supposed to believe that any judgment from the judiciary under the current government can be made without pressure and interference from the current Thaksin worshipping government.

Did you dig any further as I suggested and find out who else would have benefitted by these rule changes - obviously not. I can't help you any more than that on this forum. The Judges were all supposed to be squeaky clean during the abhisit reign so I'm told. When do you think the verdict against Thaksin and family was over ruled? Likewise if you want to blame anyone for not chasing the tax blame Korn.

Yes thank you I did dig much further. There may have been many beneficiaries as an offshoot, the fact is the Prime Minister changed the law days before he sold Shincorp. The fact is the courts ruled that Thaksins claim for immunity of capital gains tax was illegal, and the last fact is the courts did not overturn the "verdict against Thaksin and family", they overturned the verdict against "family" and did not overturn any criminal charges against Thaksin. He is still a fugitive criminal, and that was upheld by the 'squeaky clean judges'.

Edited March 21, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[theblether]

There's nothing like a good old Thaksin coming home scare story to upset the natives on this forum...........

How many times has it been predicted now?..............are you not starting to feel a bit stupid?

[bigbamboo]

There's nothing like a good old Thaksin coming home scare story to upset the natives on this forum...........

How many times has it been predicted now?..............are you not starting to feel a bit stupid?

The third antichrist has been predicted to return for some time too. I hope the two events aren't connected.

[yoshiwara]

It is unlikely that Thaksin will want to come back with the convictions still hanging around his neck and if he did, even with the massed ranks of the red militia, any further efforts to reverse the convictions would be compromised at best. Actually, if he wanted, he could probably get himself smuggled across the border and hole up in one of the red villages. Will he? Nope. The thing is, the red troops are getting restless. Government power is not something that has excited them. What they want is a step further. they want untrammelled state power with Thaksin at their head and revenge. The attempted burning of Bangkok was merely a calling card.

[animatic]

There's nothing like a good old Thaksin coming home scare story to upset the natives on this forum...........

How many times has it been predicted now?..............are you not starting to feel a bit stupid?

The third antichrist has been predicted to return for some time too. I hope the two events aren't connected.

He'll comeback when it appears there are diminished protests to his returning.

So why would we and of course many others want to diminish protesting?

History repeats itself when people forget history.

[MAJIC]

'He said in his personal view, Thaksin should be allowed to return - but the timing would hinge on

prevailing circumstances such as the political situation.'

As far as I'm aware there is NOTHING stopping Thaksin from returning to Thailand other than himself. He can return at any time.

Am I wrong????

No,you are right,the only thing that stops him,is that he can't get it on his own terms,and is unsure of his safety,forgetting about the Jail term,and numerous other charges that also awaits him.

Don't expect another Ghandi,he is a long way removed from that brave man.

[sparebox2]

Bangkok Bank of Commerce

Siam Commercial Bank

???? any reincarnation??

Would'nt be too surprised, to see the shareholding % of old and new.

Go look up yourself in www.set.or.th

I might have go to jail for telling you who own the bank.

[WackySomchai]

3.5 million German citizens agreed with Hitler. 3.5 million Americans voted for Richard Nixon. 3.5 million Cambodian supported Pol Pot. That does not make their crimes any more palatable, it just means that you can find 3.5 million fools about anywhere.

[TeddyFlyfisherDavis]

I would assume that one morning we will all wake up to be told that Thaksin is back in the country and in a safe house somewhere under the control of 'Immigration Police'. Can't imagine there will be a welcoming circus as among the crowds may be lurking someone paid enough money to take him down. Indeed; I often wonder if he has this in his own mind as he contemplates his return. He could figure that he has to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life if he returns.

That was my thought also...Someone with a M107 on top of a building or just a simple .38 in the crowd. And it would not surprise me in the least.

[Publicus]

It is unlikely that Thaksin will want to come back with the convictions still hanging around his neck and if he did, even with the massed ranks of the red militia, any further efforts to reverse the convictions would be compromised at best. Actually, if he wanted, he could probably get himself smuggled across the border and hole up in one of the red villages. Will he? Nope. The thing is, the red troops are getting restless. Government power is not something that has excited them. What they want is a step further. they want untrammelled state power with Thaksin at their head and revenge. The attempted burning of Bangkok was merely a calling card.

It would be no problem to get enuff red shirts together at any border crossing with Laos or Cambodia to intimidate the Immi police, which probably would be routed very quickly or simply fall into passive observation. Ten Immi police at some border crossing point aren't going to try to defend the border, as it were, against even 5000 reds. Or 10,000 reds suddenly massing at a border crossing.

Thaksin was interviewed by Bloomberg News at the Asia Economic Forum last week, said he'd return to Thailand this year and do so without violence. The Bloomberg reporter repeated the part "without violence" which was one of his follow up questions to Thaksin's prediction about returning this year, to which Thaksin said yes, without violence. I see the 5000 or 10,000 reds at a border crossing checkpoint freezing eight or ten Immi police as the plausible approach for Thaksin. That number of reds assembled fast is easily done.

Immi police have their hands full processing Visas at the airport, much less reinforcing the Friendship Bridge checkpoint along with other smaller checkpoints up along the norther border. Once Thaksin's back in the country, what's the government or the opposition in parliament going to do? What power do the courts have? Who's going to touch Thaksin except to kiss his arse?

Then soon after He Himself will be arriving in Chiang Mai in a motorcade to set up his headquarters.

This report is viable, which is to say more than only a possibility.

Edited March 22, 2012 by Publicus

[sirchai]

Here's my nightmare of last night.

A sniper will warmly welcome him. "jindee dhonn laap" weitten on the bullet. He'll make it home, but not really. No more reason to get arrested. End of the story. Dreams are always very real.....

[Famespear]

The fugitive Thaksin would be a fool to return to Thailand - there's surely a bullet or two out there with his name written all over it. What the Thai "government" should do if he does return is abruptly arrest him at the airport and lock him up with all the other scum in Thai jails.

[Buchholz]

Legal adviser to former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra, Noppadon Pattama, spoke to the press regarding the comments made by a leader of the red-shirt group in Udon Thani, Kwanchai Praipana, that Thaksin will return home during the Songkran holiday.

Noppadon insisted that Thaksin has no intention of returning from self-exile in accordance with the plan set out by Kwanchai.

Tonight, Noppadon is denying reports that Thaksin has been apprehended and detained by immigration officials in Florence, Italy.

Noppadon admitted that Thaksin was in Florence, but said he was there relaxing with friends.

Further details are in the other paper.

.

[phiphidon]

Legal adviser to former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra, Noppadon Pattama, spoke to the press regarding the comments made by a leader of the red-shirt group in Udon Thani, Kwanchai Praipana, that Thaksin will return home during the Songkran holiday.

Noppadon insisted that Thaksin has no intention of returning from self-exile in accordance with the plan set out by Kwanchai.

Tonight, Noppadon is denying reports that Thaksin has been apprehended and detained by immigration officials in Florence, Italy.

Noppadon admitted that Thaksin was in Florence, but said he was there relaxing with friends.

Further details are in the other paper.

.

Apparently the democrat MP, Sirichoke Sopha, has mates in Interpol who told him Thaksin was detained by Immigration Officials on Wednesday. He reckons that Thaksin used his Thai passport and the Immigration officials saw that there was an arrest warrant out for him.

Which is a shame really because Thaksin has never been subject to a red notice from Interpol so there would be no reason to detain him. When requested by the democrats back in the day it was turned down by Interpol as "not meeting the criteria". (presumably being accused of being "an evil mastermind who wants to rule the world" is not a suitable reason for a red notice)

Sirichoke, bless him, has asked the PTP to contact Interpol if they didn't believe him. Par for the course, he is thinking of taking legal action against the Thai officials who arranged Thaksins "release". Good luck with that one.

Democrats, eh,what will they think of next?

[volk666]

Where there's smoke there's fire. Somehow Sirichoke got a whiff that Thaksin has hit a snuggle, whether he is entirely correct or not is impossible to say but his version makes sense.

Noppadon should at least try to explain the source of the rumor that reached Sirichoke, without that his flat denial is impossible to take seriously.

Legally Thaksin is a fugitive with an outstanding warrant, thus Thai officials helping him out are legally liable for dereliction of duty, Democrats would love to finally nail someone for it, after all "in your face" parading Thaksin here and there by each and every government official with the background sound of denials of any connections. Someone finally got sloppy, or so Sirichoke hopes.

It's also been a long time we haven't heard anything about the Foreign Minister, perhaps it's time to remind the public of his existence.

[thailandajarn]

Dear Calgaryll

I have one question to ask: Did Thaksin earn income off the sales of Shin Corp while he was Prime Minister?

[GentlemanJim]

Dear Calgaryll

I have one question to ask: Did Thaksin earn income off the sales of Shin Corp while he was Prime Minister?

Afraid CalgaryII spouts off all the ass licking stuff over Thaksin but NEVER replies to posts from TV members, or at least no lately!

[billd766]

Dear Calgaryll

I have one question to ask: Did Thaksin earn income off the sales of Shin Corp while he was Prime Minister?

Afraid CalgaryII spouts off all the ass licking stuff over Thaksin but NEVER replies to posts from TV members, or at least no lately!

I have no idea about Calgaryll post as he is on my ignore list.

[bigbamboo]

Dear Calgaryll

I have one question to ask: Did Thaksin earn income off the sales of Shin Corp while he was Prime Minister?

The value of ShinCorp rose several times over during T's premiership although the shares were held by various nominees and given that the majority of those increased funds were seized from him the answer would appear to be in the affirmative. That is just an outsider's view looking at the facts as they appear to be. Calgaryll may well know different.

Edited March 24, 2012 by bigbamboo

[OzMick]

Dear Calgaryll

I have one question to ask: Did Thaksin earn income off the sales of Shin Corp while he was Prime Minister?

Afraid CalgaryII spouts off all the ass licking stuff over Thaksin but NEVER replies to posts from TV members, or at least no lately!

I have no idea about Calgaryll post as he is on my ignore list.

Et tu Bruin.