Thaksin's Italy Detention Just A 'Rumour': Thai FM Surapong

[hellodolly]

pastitche

You said

:I really think that you need to consider the true meaning of "despot". How could he be a despot in a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system? Yes a healthy majority helps a strong leader to assert his/her will as did Margaret Thatcher but I don't suspect that you would pair her with Thaksin.

I say

No comparison between Margaret Thatcher and Thaksin. Margaret had a majority Thaksin had 48% and that is being generous I am betting some of them thought they were voting for Yingluck.

[pastitche]

I really think that you need to consider the true meaning of "despot". How could he be a despot in a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system?

In the same way that Ferdinand Marcos was a despot in a constitutional republic with a presidential system.

The form of government is flexible amongst despots.

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Please do not try to play games; Thaksin may have had ambitions to be an autocrat but the simple answer is that he was not. Instead of producing spurious instances that have no bearing on what we are talking about, admit that you were

pastitche

You said

:I really think that you need to consider the true meaning of "despot". How could he be a despot in a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system? Yes a healthy majority helps a strong leader to assert his/her will as did Margaret Thatcher but I don't suspect that you would pair her with Thaksin.

I say

No comparison between Margaret Thatcher and Thaksin. Margaret had a majority Thaksin had 48% and that is being generous I am betting some of them thought they were voting for Yingluck.

I really think that you should check your facts since you know so little about British politics;or for that matter how parliamentary majorities are formed; the "Blessed Margaret" or "She who must be obeyed" or "The leaderene" (all designations from Sir Norman StJohn Stevas, a fervent admirer of hers) never approached 48 per cent, she would have sold her soul for that. In fact she had virtually no representation in parliament from Scotland or Wales. It got even worse after her sacking when there was not one Conservative MP in Scotland. It might help your credibility if you were to look at how parliamentary systems work so that your posts were at least based on fact and not just your own misconceptions

[rubl]

Maybe no fire, but for sure a bit of smoke:

"He also denied a claim by opposition Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha that fugitive ex-PM Thaksin was detained at an Italian airport.

Gen Yuthasak explained that there had been a misunderstanding and that Italian immigration officials questioned Mr Thaksin before allowing him passage through the immigration procedure. (MCOT online news)"

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5165906

"Yutthasak dismissed as groundless a news report that Thaksin has been arrested in Germany given it was a misunderstanding of its immigration agency."

Edited March 26, 2012 by rubl

[phiphidon]

Maybe no fire, but for sure a bit of smoke:

"He also denied a claim by opposition Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha that fugitive ex-PM Thaksin was detained at an Italian airport.

Gen Yuthasak explained that there had been a misunderstanding and that Italian immigration officials questioned Mr Thaksin before allowing him passage through the immigration procedure. (MCOT online news)"

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5165906

"Yutthasak dismissed as groundless a news report that Thaksin has been arrested in Germany given it was a misunderstanding of its immigration agency."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5166174

But not quite being thrown in jail and only being released after phone calls from the MoFA as per Sirichokes little fantasy - he was quoted in the other paper as he was planning to sue the officials involved for being responsible for the release of Thaksin from custody.

There would be more smoke from an e-cig with a dead battery. TAN cannot even get the country right.

Do the democrats have no shame?

[looping]

It warms my heart to think that T was detained, even if only for a few minutes, serving as a reminder to him that he's not untouchable, in some parts of the world at least.

i think it would have served him more of a reminder that he is untouchable more than anything, considering nothing at all happened, do you not think?

I was referring to the period of time between when was detained and when he found that they would release him. No doubt some frantic phone calls and a little uncertainty as to whether his game was up. Sorry if I was unclear.

[rubl]

Maybe no fire, but for sure a bit of smoke:

"He also denied a claim by opposition Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha that fugitive ex-PM Thaksin was detained at an Italian airport.

Gen Yuthasak explained that there had been a misunderstanding and that Italian immigration officials questioned Mr Thaksin before allowing him passage through the immigration procedure. (MCOT online news)"

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5165906

"Yutthasak dismissed as groundless a news report that Thaksin has been arrested in Germany given it was a misunderstanding of its immigration agency."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5166174

But not quite being thrown in jail and only being released after phone calls from the MoFA as per Sirichokes little fantasy - he was quoted in the other paper as he was planning to sue the officials involved for being responsible for the release of Thaksin from custody.

There would be more smoke from an e-cig with a dead battery. TAN cannot even get the country right.

Do the democrats have no shame?

Merely a misunderstanding, totally denied and/or ignored at first. A bit of a smokescreen, of course no country would even think of questioning our dear k. Thaksin before allowing him access.

BTW asking 'do the dem's have no shame' is similar to asking 'do Pheu Thai members have no shame' when complaining about nice people like k. Jatuporn or k. Nattawut.

[phiphidon]

Maybe no fire, but for sure a bit of smoke:

"He also denied a claim by opposition Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha that fugitive ex-PM Thaksin was detained at an Italian airport.

Gen Yuthasak explained that there had been a misunderstanding and that Italian immigration officials questioned Mr Thaksin before allowing him passage through the immigration procedure. (MCOT online news)"

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5165906

"Yutthasak dismissed as groundless a news report that Thaksin has been arrested in Germany given it was a misunderstanding of its immigration agency."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5166174

But not quite being thrown in jail and only being released after phone calls from the MoFA as per Sirichokes little fantasy - he was quoted in the other paper as he was planning to sue the officials involved for being responsible for the release of Thaksin from custody.

There would be more smoke from an e-cig with a dead battery. TAN cannot even get the country right.

Do the democrats have no shame?

Merely a misunderstanding, totally denied and/or ignored at first. A bit of a smokescreen, of course no country would even think of questioning our dear k. Thaksin before allowing him access.

BTW asking 'do the dem's have no shame' is similar to asking 'do Pheu Thai members have no shame' when complaining about nice people like k. Jatuporn or k. Nattawut.

Even Jaturporn gets reined in from time to time. Not a peep from Abhisit but then again he did lie for the best part of two years that Thaksin was on a Interpol red notice and they were pursuing him ardently, so I suppose he's a bit embarrassed by Sirichoke dragging it into the limelight again and is keeping his head down.

[rubl]

Maybe no fire, but for sure a bit of smoke:

"He also denied a claim by opposition Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha that fugitive ex-PM Thaksin was detained at an Italian airport.

Gen Yuthasak explained that there had been a misunderstanding and that Italian immigration officials questioned Mr Thaksin before allowing him passage through the immigration procedure. (MCOT online news)"

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5165906

"Yutthasak dismissed as groundless a news report that Thaksin has been arrested in Germany given it was a misunderstanding of its immigration agency."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5166174

But not quite being thrown in jail and only being released after phone calls from the MoFA as per Sirichokes little fantasy - he was quoted in the other paper as he was planning to sue the officials involved for being responsible for the release of Thaksin from custody.

There would be more smoke from an e-cig with a dead battery. TAN cannot even get the country right.

Do the democrats have no shame?

Merely a misunderstanding, totally denied and/or ignored at first. A bit of a smokescreen, of course no country would even think of questioning our dear k. Thaksin before allowing him access.

BTW asking 'do the dem's have no shame' is similar to asking 'do Pheu Thai members have no shame' when complaining about nice people like k. Jatuporn or k. Nattawut.

Even Jaturporn gets reined in from time to time. Not a peep from Abhisit but then again he did lie for the best part of two years that Thaksin was on a Interpol red notice and they were pursuing him ardently, so I suppose he's a bit embarrassed by Sirichoke dragging it into the limelight again and is keeping his head down.

Just like most normal people politicians tend not to be too precise in formulation, almost like posters here. So the detention is 'just a rumour', but 'being questioned before admitted' may be true? Probably just like nterpol being asked, but replying 'please in a decent language, like English'. This truely must mean that for the best part of two year k. Abhisit was lying, not every day of course, just for the best part.

Anyway, the somewhat official statement now is that a Dept. PM has denied 'detained', but admitted 'questioned'. Surely k. Thaksin was not questioned in the line for ordinary people trying to go through customs? Surely this important man was politely asked to step aside and follow this officer, please, for some further questioning'. Maybe if our hero has been accompanied to a interview room and having to wait for someone who would question him, we may talk about a 'detainment'? Or do you think k. Thaksin managed to convince the custom office to let him enter, on the spot?

[ballpoint]

I heard the official mistook Thaksin's inflated ego for a bunch of balloons.

[GentlemanJim]

Maybe no fire, but for sure a bit of smoke:

"He also denied a claim by opposition Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha that fugitive ex-PM Thaksin was detained at an Italian airport.

Gen Yuthasak explained that there had been a misunderstanding and that Italian immigration officials questioned Mr Thaksin before allowing him passage through the immigration procedure. (MCOT online news)"

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5165906

"Yutthasak dismissed as groundless a news report that Thaksin has been arrested in Germany given it was a misunderstanding of its immigration agency."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5166174

But not quite being thrown in jail and only being released after phone calls from the MoFA as per Sirichokes little fantasy - he was quoted in the other paper as he was planning to sue the officials involved for being responsible for the release of Thaksin from custody.

There would be more smoke from an e-cig with a dead battery. TAN cannot even get the country right.

Do the democrats have no shame?

Merely a misunderstanding, totally denied and/or ignored at first. A bit of a smokescreen, of course no country would even think of questioning our dear k. Thaksin before allowing him access.

BTW asking 'do the dem's have no shame' is similar to asking 'do Pheu Thai members have no shame' when complaining about nice people like k. Jatuporn or k. Nattawut.

Even Jaturporn gets reined in from time to time. Not a peep from Abhisit but then again he did lie for the best part of two years that Thaksin was on a Interpol red notice and they were pursuing him ardently, so I suppose he's a bit embarrassed by Sirichoke dragging it into the limelight again and is keeping his head down.

Did he lie? Or was the red notice withdrawn about the same time The Foreign Minster arranged for a visa for Thaksin in Japan? You seem very sure of yourself. You're not taking a 'one dimensional view' of Abhisit by any chance are you?

Edited March 26, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[Bagwan]

Interpol is a red herring. It is not their job to investigate or implicate, it is their job to enact and enable capture.

In effect, they are international arrest agents.

In the hope that this will put an end to the rubbish written here about Interpol. It's prime raison d'etre is to act as a clearing house for information about criminals worldwide.

Interpol differs from most law-enforcement agencies — agents do not make arrests themselves, and there is no single Interpol jail where criminals are taken. The agency functions as an administrative liaison between the law-enforcement agencies of the member countries, providing communications and database assistance. This is vital when fighting international crime because language, cultural and bureaucratic differences can make it difficult for officers of different nations to work together. For example, if ICE and FBI special agents track a terrorist to Italy, they may not know whom to contact in the Polizia di Stato, if the Carabinieri have jurisdiction over some aspect of the case, or whom in the Italian government needs to be notified of the ICE/FBI's involvement. ICE and FBI can contact the Interpol National Central Bureau in Italy, which will act as a liaison between the United States and Italian law-enforcement agencies.

Interpol's databases help law enforcement see the big picture of international crime. While other agencies have their own extensive crime databases, the information rarely extends beyond one nation's borders. Interpol can track criminals and crime trends around the world. They maintain collections of fingerprints and mug shots, lists of wanted persons, DNA samples and travel documents. Their lost and stolen travel document database alone contains more than 12 million records. They also analyze all these data and release information on crime trends to the member countries.

A secure worldwide communications network allows Interpol agents and member countries to contact each other at any time. Known as I-24/7, the network offers constant access to Interpol's databases. While the National Central Bureaus are the primary access sites to the network, some member countries have expanded it to key areas such as airports and border access points. Member countries can also access each other's criminal databases via the I-24/7 system.

In the event of an international disaster, terrorist attack or assassination, Interpol can send an incident response team. This team can offer a range of expertise and database access to assist with victim identification, suspect identification and the dissemination of information to other nations' law enforcement agencies. In addition, at the request of local authorities, they can act as a central command and logistics operation to coordinate other law enforcement agencies involved in a case. Such teams were deployed 12 times in 2005. Interpol began issuing its own passport in 2009 with hopes that member states would remove visa requirements for individuals traveling for Interpol business, thereby improving response times.

[rubl]

begin and lots more removed ...

As far as England goes not sure but France and Japan are definitely letting him in. So is Italy

Japan only allowed k. Thaksin access on special request of the Thai government. Italy may have allowed entry upon queries two or three days ago. England revoked his temporary visa after k. Thaksin withdrew his application for asylum. France seems to let k. Thaksin in, certainly when he want to go shopping with his daughter(s), but has prohibited him from making political statements or joining political oriented discussions.

As far as I know.

Edited March 26, 2012 by rubl

[nurofiend]

it's all a load of fluffy pink flowers with barbie dolls....

edited to avoid using profanity

i'll take a big risk

it's a load of poo poo

How strange. Are you doing a one man role play?

with three internalize characters

and one pretending to try and stay submerged.

It's like United States Of Tara, but less well acted.

well i'm glad you got all that out of those posts, they seemed like just a load of nonsense to me.

[nurofiend]

either that, or ye completely missed the meaning...

[MikeOboe57]

This "unfortunate incident" shows clearly that it is high time the FM issues a diplomatic passport for the DL.

The Songkran reunion would be a good occasion to hand over this document "in style". As "de facto PM" Khun T. deserves diplomatic immunity.

[GentlemanJim]

This "unfortunate incident" shows clearly that it is high time the FM issues a diplomatic passport for the DL.

The Songkran reunion would be a good occasion to hand over this document "in style". As "de facto PM" Khun T. deserves diplomatic immunity.

As "de facto PM" Khun T. deserves diplomatic immunity.

What does that mean please?

[MikeOboe57]

This "unfortunate incident" shows clearly that it is high time the FM issues a diplomatic passport for the DL.

The Songkran reunion would be a good occasion to hand over this document "in style". As "de facto PM" Khun T. deserves diplomatic immunity.

As "de facto PM" Khun T. deserves diplomatic immunity.

What does that mean please?

Well, it seems that DL has used his brand new Thai passport to enter the EU. On one hand a wise decision, as his other passports are full of stamps from rogue countries where he is doing business, which will raise eyebrows at the immigration counters. On the other hand as ordinary Thai citizen he is subject to the whole array of hassles the EU states have installed to make it difficult for Thais to enter.

A diplomatic passport would save the Thai government the embarrassment of having to bail DL out every time some immigration official remembers Khun T's outstanding jail sentence.

And Khun T's trusted squire Joker could use the Songkran reunion to hand over this document in front of a cheering audience of 500.000 redshirts (number courtesy of user calgary).

Or I could just have said: "I'm only joking!"

[rubl]

Personally I'm wondering in how far a possible detention of k. Thaksin relates to the inability of any Thai government to provide details on exactly who killed Fabio Polenghi as we still don't know first name - family name of the person who did the actual killing.

BTW did our PM also write a letter of condolence and remind relatives of the compensation they'd be entitled to (and refused a few times already) ?

Edited March 26, 2012 by rubl

[GentlemanJim]

Personally I'm wondering in how far a possible detention of k. Thaksin relates to the inability of any Thai government to provide details on exactly who killed Fabio Polenghi as we still don't know first name - family name of the person who did the actual killing.

BTW did our PM also write a letter of condolence and remind relatives of the compensation they'd be entitled to (and refused a few times already) ?

And how much was the compensation?

Perhaps if Thaksin stayed out of Thai politics, inciting protests, appointing Government Ministers, Publicly announcing Government Policy that he has decided will take place, then maybe Foreign Governments would not see such things as the death of Fabio Polenghi relating to him, wouldn't you agree?

Edited March 26, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[Buchholz]

This "unfortunate incident" shows clearly that it is high time the FM issues a diplomatic passport for the DL.

The Songkran reunion would be a good occasion to hand over this document "in style". As "de facto PM" Khun T. deserves diplomatic immunity.

Ah yes.... the Surapong Delivery and Courier Service needs to go back to work for one of the company's relatives again.

It's about all he's good for.

,

[volk666]

Afaik, holders of Thai passports can't enter Italy without a valid visa that needs to be applied for in advance. I somehow doubt Thaksin did that, I thought he has that Montenegrin passport for traveling in Europe and the name in that passport is different from the name in Thai passport, and possibly in "red flag" databases which might or might not be linked to Interpol.

Perhaps the entire "Interpol friend" connection was invented by Sirichoke to spare his real sources somewhere at MoFA.

I've said it many times before - investigating some interpol list is a red herring, a wild goose chase - the real story is what has happened at MoFA and whether or not Sirichoke can get enough info on MoFA for this case to go to courts or at least to the parliament. Foreign Minister can possibly lose his post over this, who cares about Interpol?