Verdict On Jatuporn's Qualifications Due May 18

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Verdict on Jatuporn's qualifications due May 18

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court has scheduled May 18 to hand down the verdict on the qualifications of Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan following the Wednesday's session to launch an inquiry into the case.

Emerged from the session, Jatuporn said the high court had instructed him to submit his closing statement in writing within 15 days.

"Because the case is about the legal issues pertaining to his job qualifications, the high court will not convene a hearing on factual evidence," he said.

He said he agreed to forego the hearing and did not object to not having an opportunity for himself to address the high court.

The Election Commission has initiated the judicial review via the office of the House Speaker, contending Jatuporn had no party membership to back up his candidacy for the July general election.

-- The Nation 2012-04-12

[CalgaryII]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

Edited April 12, 2012 by CalgaryII

[TAWP]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means,

Hence your post lacks merit.

[Ricardo]

But weren't candidates required to be members for some time, of the political-parties they stood for, even under the old Constitution ?

In fact, wasn't this used by certain unscrupulous politicians, to prevent their MPs from defecting just prior to an election, and joining another party ?

By calling an election at short-notice, wasn't it possible to force them to stay loyal, to a leader whom they might otherwise have found distasteful ?

I eagerly anticipate a long tedious lecture on how this measure used to enhance, rather than reduce, democratic & political freedom, in the 'good' old days of TRT.

Edited April 12, 2012 by Ricardo

[OzMick]

Jatuporn singled himself out by opening his big fat stupid mouth and breaking more than a few laws - which after all is the job of a mercenary agitator. The only reason he is not before a court to answer for his actions is his membership of PTP who gave him and others political immunity by placing them on their party list as a reward for performing their dirty work.

It seems he may have broken one of PTP's membership rules (penis and golf shoes come to mind) and may well join Arisman at the head of the waiting list for a cosy cell. Good luck with that, your mates will follow after the next change of government.

[pimay11]

Should be an interesting day for Jatuporn May 18th. I'm sure it is just a coincidence but it could have some relevance:

18th May, 2007 : A four hundred pound gorilla named Bokito escaped from its holding area at the Rotterdam Zoo in the Netherlands.

[bigbamboo]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

Edited April 12, 2012 by bigbamboo

[Buchholz]

Jatuporn loses his MP status on either of two counts.

He didn't vote by virtue of being under detention. By not voting, he was ineligible to run for office.

He also lost his party membership, making him ineligible to become an MP.

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Count 1

Section 106(4) of the Constitution states:

Membership of the House of Representatives terminates upon being disqualified under Section 101 of the Constitution

Section 101 of the Constitution lists various qualifications to be an MP. The applicable paragraph is Section 101(3) which requires an MP be a member of a political Party.

We then go to the Organic Act on Political Parties of 1998.

Section 22 of the Organic Act lists conditions in which membership in a political party terminates. The applicable paragraph is Section 22(3) which lists anyone being disqualified by Section 21.

Section 21 of the Organic Act states:

A person who will be a member must be of Thai nationality by birth, not less than eighteen years of age and not under any of the prohibitions to disfranchisement under the Constitution.

Which leads back to the Constitution.

Section 100 of the Constitution lists prohibitions to disfranchisement (meaning someone who is not allowed to vote).

The applicable paragraph is Section 100(3) states that anyone under detention by court order. This is the situation that Jatuporn was in.

He was jailed in pre-trial confinement after his bail was revoked for violating the bail conditions.

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Count 2

He didn't vote... He lost his right to be a candidate as per # 2 below:

The Constitution stipulates the following:

"Every person shall have a duty to exercise his or her right to vote in an election. The person who fails to vote on an election day without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure shall lose his or her right to vote as prescribed by the law.

The notification of the cause for failure to vote on an election day and the provision of facilities for attendance thereat shall be in accordance with the provision of the law".

The person who fails to vote without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure will have his or her political rights curtailed until his or her next vote casting in an election as follows:

The National Elections

1. The right to object the results of both the national and local elections

2. The right to be a candidate for any election

3. The right to initiate a bill for the National Assembly's consideration

4. The right to initiate an ordinance for the local assembly's consideration

5. The right to petition to the Senate for the resolution of removal of a high ranking person

6. The right to recall a member of the local assembly or a local administrator

http://www.ect.go.th...nsInvolving.php

.

Edited April 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[CalgaryII]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun marginally plausibly. This one cannot. 100% sure!

Edited April 12, 2012 by CalgaryII

[Crushdepth]

Here we go, the reaction to the decision by our shameless, one-eyed red neck wannabes will go like this:

* Jatuporn is qualified: Justice is served! The courts have upheld the law!

* Jatuporn is disqualified: Obviously the decision was politically motivated, they are in the pockets of the "Bangkok Elite" and/or Junta.

You wait and see. It is as pathetic as it is predictable.

[Phatcharanan]

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun marginally plausibly. This one cannot. 100% sure!

I doubt it.

Maybe only a fact in your own little world. (village)

[Crushdepth]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun plausibly, this one cannot. 100% sure!

No way. A very large percentage of red-leaning people cringe every time Jatuporn opens his mouth and wish he would go away. The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

[Buchholz]

The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

and HIV contaminated blood

Edited April 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[bigbamboo]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun marginally plausibly. This one cannot. 100% sure!

Well sorry Calgaryll old chap but it could be that the red shirts I know in the CM area are those who advocate a fair deal for the poor (which I certainly support) but who also recognise that Jataporn is a shameless opportunist. They are not hard core and whilst they see Thaksin as a talismanic figure they also accept he is probably the biggest criminal in Thailand. They do like Yingluck though!

Edited April 12, 2012 by bigbamboo

[MEL1]

The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

and HIV contaminated blood

Beautiful photographic example of a Thai Government MP going about his daily business on a highly professional level ! Sad bstd!

Look at the hatred in his eyes! I've never seen an MP look with such disdainful vehement as this unqualified nobhead.

Yeah I did write that. This man is pure evil, and the sooner he disappears from walking life the better for all - including your croonie lot CalgaryII !

I can't believe he hasn't even been knee-capped yet, but then I'm sure there's a few waiting to take him out completely at the given oppo.

-mel.

[WhizBang]

To CalgaryIl: Good God man, have you no shame? How can you continuously spew such utter codswallop? How much is Thaksin/Amsterdam paying you?

Get a life... really.

[hellodolly]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

Judging from Calgaryll posts I think he meant his revered leader. Both completely out of touch with reality.

[hellodolly]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun marginally plausibly. This one cannot. 100% sure!

Boy you sure have a low opinion of red shirts don't you.

[hellodolly]

The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

and HIV contaminated blood

Beautiful photographic example of a Thai Government MP going about his daily business on a highly professional level ! Sad bstd!

Look at the hatred in his eyes! I've never seen an MP look with such disdainful vehement as this unqualified nobhead.

Yeah I did write that. This man is pure evil, and the sooner he disappears from walking life the better for all - including your croonie lot CalgaryII !

I can't believe he hasn't even been knee-capped yet, but then I'm sure there's a few waiting to take him out completely at the given oppo.

-mel.

I am relatively sure that a check of his back ground would show a contaminated gene pool.

[CalgaryII]

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun marginally plausibly. This one cannot. 100% sure!

I doubt it.

Maybe only a fact in your own little world. (village)

Nope, a fact nation wide in the UDD/Red Shirt movement. One needs to understand that this movement is extremely cohesive, even with independent branches. It has bonded strongly, mostly from being beaten on by the coupists, who they finally ejected during the last election. That bonded, cohesive Movement has a number of leaders, with the two prominent ones being Jatuporn and Nathawut. Both of them revered. In fact if you see the logo, it has three people - Jatuporn and Nathawut being two of them. When I encounter instances as above, suggesting the Red Shirts have negative opinions about those two guys, that tells me the person has no knowledge or contact with Red Shirts.

[CalgaryII]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun plausibly, this one cannot. 100% sure!

No way. A very large percentage of red-leaning people cringe every time Jatuporn opens his mouth and wish he would go away. The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

Nope......agenda-speak....nothing more, nothing less.

[CalgaryII]

The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

and HIV contaminated blood

Beautiful photographic example of a Thai Government MP going about his daily business on a highly professional level ! Sad bstd!

Look at the hatred in his eyes! I've never seen an MP look with such disdainful vehement as this unqualified nobhead.

Yeah I did write that. This man is pure evil, and the sooner he disappears from walking life the better for all - including your croonie lot CalgaryII !

I can't believe he hasn't even been knee-capped yet, but then I'm sure there's a few waiting to take him out completely at the given oppo.

-mel.

Protesters protest....Leaders lead.

[animatic]

Jatuporn is a case of a self-lynching in the making.

He's hoisting his petard right up till it covers his mouth.

[CalgaryII]

Not sure what all that legalese referenced above means, but I do note the focus just happens to be a revered leader of the UDD/Red Shirts.......The fact he is singled out speaks volumes, and is a testament to the correctness of revising a coup-inspired Charter. In light of this type of thing, it demonstrates the validity of the rationale for doing so:

Under the constitution, procedures to create independent organizations and select their members lack public participation and go against the principle of democracy.

Independent organizations and the judiciary are allowed to operate without a system of checks and balances, which adversely affects the justice system and results in double standards.

A revered leader of the red shirts?

Not according to the majority of the red shirts I know here in the north. Most consider him little more than a cowardly thug they could well do without.

If that is your opinion, then you don't know any red shirts where you are in the north. And I am 100% confident in saying that, even though I don't know who you are or where you are. No bona fide Red Shirts, if any, consider him the way you describe. And that is a fact my friend. Sometimes unsupported agenda spin, can be spun marginally plausibly. This one cannot. 100% sure!

Well sorry Calgaryll old chap but it could be that the red shirts I know in the CM area are those who advocate a fair deal for the poor (which I certainly support) but who also recognise that Jataporn is a shameless opportunist. They are not hard core and whilst they see Thaksin as a talismanic figure they also accept he is probably the biggest criminal in Thailand. They do like Yingluck though!

No bona fide Red Shirts consider Jatuporn a 'shameless opportunist"......................None...... You don't know any bona fide Red Shirts...to suggest otherwise along with those Jatuporn opinions absolutely confirms it. Maybe someone is convinced he was a shameless opportunist and told you that, but that was not a Red Shirt. I suspect we are dealing with agenda here, not factual data.

Edited April 12, 2012 by CalgaryII

[Buchholz]

The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

and HIV contaminated blood

Beautiful photographic example of a Thai Government MP going about his daily business on a highly professional level ! Sad bstd!

Look at the hatred in his eyes! I've never seen an MP look with such disdainful vehement as this unqualified nobhead.

Yeah I did write that. This man is pure evil, and the sooner he disappears from walking life the better for all - including your croonie lot CalgaryII !

I can't believe he hasn't even been knee-capped yet, but then I'm sure there's a few waiting to take him out completely at the given oppo.

I am relatively sure that a check of his back ground would show a contaminated gene pool.

it's not from the maternal side of the gene pool, which, incidentally he treats in a absolutely reprehensible manner:

Mother of Red-Shirt Core Leader Urges Son to Stop Action Against Monarchy

UPDATE : 10 April 2009

The mother of a red shirt core leader has asked her son to stop campaigning against the monarchy.

Some three hundred supporters of Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda went to the house of 90-year-old Nuam Prompan, mother of Jatuporn Prompan, the core leader of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship, in Surat Thani province yesterday, asking Nuam to convince her son to stop insulting the monarchy.

Nuam pleaded with her son to stop what he is doing, saying it is inappropriate and disrespectful.

She also expressed interest in meeting her son directly to offer her advice, but added that she has not seen her son for five or six years and Jatuporn has not taken her phone calls during this time.

Aree Parndaeng, Jatuporn's elder sister, confirmed her mother's remarks, saying Jatupron has not taken any phone calls from Nuam, despite her suffering from health problems.

http://www.thailando...?DataID=1013675

Edited April 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[Skywalker69]

The guy has near zero credibility as a source for anything other than bullshit.

and HIV contaminated blood

And this man is an MP?

Jatuporns qualifcations, a worm has more qualifcations then him.

He shoulden´t be loose amongst people.

[siampolee]

No bona fide Red Shirts consider Jatuporn a 'shameless opportunist"......................None...... You don't know any bona fide Red Shirts...to suggest otherwise along with those Jatuporn opinions absolutely confirms it. Maybe someone is convinced he was a shameless opportunist and told you that, but that was not a Red Shirt. I suspect we are dealing with agenda here, not factual data.

Calgaryll, a legend in his own small mind, spraying his redundant philosophy in everyone's face and no doubt insisting that everyone will be given 40 acres and a mule under Thaksins rule.

[Buchholz]

Jatuporn loses his MP status on either of two counts.

He didn't vote by virtue of being under detention. By not voting, he was ineligible to run for office.

He also lost his party membership, making him ineligible to become an MP.

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Count 1

Section 106(4) of the Constitution states:

Membership of the House of Representatives terminates upon being disqualified under Section 101 of the Constitution

Section 101 of the Constitution lists various qualifications to be an MP. The applicable paragraph is Section 101(3) which requires an MP be a member of a political Party.

We then go to the Organic Act on Political Parties of 1998.

Section 22 of the Organic Act lists conditions in which membership in a political party terminates. The applicable paragraph is Section 22(3) which lists anyone being disqualified by Section 21.

Section 21 of the Organic Act states:

A person who will be a member must be of Thai nationality by birth, not less than eighteen years of age and not under any of the prohibitions to disfranchisement under the Constitution.

Which leads back to the Constitution.

Section 100 of the Constitution lists prohibitions to disfranchisement (meaning someone who is not allowed to vote).

The applicable paragraph is Section 100(3) states that anyone under detention by court order. This is the situation that Jatuporn was in.

He was jailed in pre-trial confinement after his bail was revoked for violating the bail conditions.

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Count 2

He didn't vote... He lost his right to be a candidate as per # 2 below:

The Constitution stipulates the following:

"Every person shall have a duty to exercise his or her right to vote in an election. The person who fails to vote on an election day without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure shall lose his or her right to vote as prescribed by the law.

The notification of the cause for failure to vote on an election day and the provision of facilities for attendance thereat shall be in accordance with the provision of the law".

The person who fails to vote without notifying the reasonable cause for such failure will have his or her political rights curtailed until his or her next vote casting in an election as follows:

The National Elections

1. The right to object the results of both the national and local elections

2. The right to be a candidate for any election

3. The right to initiate a bill for the National Assembly's consideration

4. The right to initiate an ordinance for the local assembly's consideration

5. The right to petition to the Senate for the resolution of removal of a high ranking person

6. The right to recall a member of the local assembly or a local administrator

http://www.ect.go.th...nsInvolving.php

the other paper is reporting the Constitutional Court is specifically considering violation by Jatuporn of Sections 101(3) and 106 (4)

as explained above .

[bigbamboo]

No bona fide Red Shirts consider Jatuporn a 'shameless opportunist"......................None...... You don't know any bona fide Red Shirts...to suggest otherwise along with those Jatuporn opinions absolutely confirms it. Maybe someone is convinced he was a shameless opportunist and told you that, but that was not a Red Shirt. I suspect we are dealing with agenda here, not factual data.

Calgaryll, a legend in his own small mind, spraying his redundant philosophy in everyone's face and no doubt insisting that everyone will be given 40 acres and a mule under Thaksins rule.

This is a worry as according to Calgaryll a whole bunch of Thai people have been lying to me, my wife and our friends for ages, all the time secretly admiring the 'revered' Jatuporn. Maybe the shame was too much?

Edited April 12, 2012 by bigbamboo

[CalgaryII]

No bona fide Red Shirts consider Jatuporn a 'shameless opportunist"......................None...... You don't know any bona fide Red Shirts...to suggest otherwise along with those Jatuporn opinions absolutely confirms it. Maybe someone is convinced he was a shameless opportunist and told you that, but that was not a Red Shirt. I suspect we are dealing with agenda here, not factual data.

Calgaryll, a legend in his own small mind, spraying his redundant philosophy in everyone's face and no doubt insisting that everyone will be given 40 acres and a mule under Thaksins rule.

This is a worry. Acording to Calgaryll a whole bunch of Thai people have been lying to me, my wife and our friends for ages, all the time secretly admiring the revered Jatuporn. Maybe the shame was too much?

They perhaps weren't lying and were led to believe what they believed, by his political enemies, but they were most assuredly not bona fide Red Shirts. Given the political power of Nathawut and Jatuporn, I'm sure those who are politically threatened by Thaksin, would be equally threatened by these two, and would vent accordingly. Nathawut and Jatuporn are revered by all Red Shirts, whether their political opposites like it or not.

Edited April 12, 2012 by CalgaryII