No Degree - No Teacher Licence!

[aidenai]

It's also important to mention teacher licences and waivers only need to be considered if someone is planning to extend their teaching experience in Thailand beyond one year. A teacher licence or waiver isn't required to obtain Initial non-imm B visas and work permits

Holding TCT documents does apply to an extension of the permission of stay. So, basically after your first 90 days of employment. Police Order 305/2551, point 2.6 and 2.7.

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy305-2551_en.pdf

In regards to the application of an initial work permit, I attached page 4 of Labour's WP.1 document.

http://wp.doe.go.th/...rm/form_tt1.pdf

Edited April 20, 2012 by aidenai

[Loaded]

The TCT also states under teacher licence requirements:

"Experience Standards

Have teaching experience with not less than 1 year in an educational institution under a school system."

IE You need to teach for 1 year before you can obtain a teacher licence.

http://www.ksp.or.th/Khurusapha/en/download/Teaching%20license%20Requirement.pdf

My experience is that teachers haven't been asked for evidence of a teacher licence or waiver to extend an initial non-immigrant visa. It has only been an issue when renewing contracts. This is Chiang Mai.

[aidenai]

The TCT also states under teacher licence requirements:

"Experience Standards

Have teaching experience with not less than 1 year in an educational institution under a school system."

IE You need to teach for 1 year before you can obtain a teacher licence.

http://www.ksp.or.th...Requirement.pdf

What's your experience with that then, Loaded?

[Loaded]

The TCT also states under teacher licence requirements:

"Experience Standards

Have teaching experience with not less than 1 year in an educational institution under a school system."

IE You need to teach for 1 year before you can obtain a teacher licence.

http://www.ksp.or.th...Requirement.pdf

What's your experience with that then, Loaded?

Employing teachers and extending visas and work permits is my experience.

[Scott]

Here is the process we go through. We have a lovely lady who does the work, so I am not 100% positive of what has to go to whom, but here it is to the best of my knowledge:

We get a copy of the degree, the transcript, the passport and the police clearance and send them to the Ministry of Education. The MOE sends a letter for the person to present to an Embassy/Consulate. Once in a while, the MOE will send the letter based on an strength that we have a written request for a document--such as police clearance. I also have to write for a verification of the degree from the University. This requirement is less stringently enforced if the transcript is included. If there is only a degree, then they want a verification.

The person goes to an Embassy/Consulate (we send all the paperwork with them). They return with the non-immigrant visa. We apply for a Work Permit. For that there is the additional requirement of a medical exam and syphilis test--this is now required for renewal. (I just had to get my second medical exam--the first one was 15 years ago--between now and then none). The Work Permit is issued and then the immigration extension of stay.

The waiver stuff starts after a year, when you start the Work Permit/extension of stay all over again. Then you will need the TL, or waiver.

I assist with two schools in two different provinces and there are variations. One province is quite lenient--not careless--but lenient and slightly trustworthy. The other is pedantic and much more difficult. We use two different people for the schools and one is on excellent terms with the immigration officers. Her paperwork is always in order, and if not, there is an explanation, usually in writing (by me) as to why and when we will be in compliance. The other person often has paperwork with things missing and no explanation. That could be part of the difference.

[aidenai]

The TCT also states under teacher licence requirements:

"Experience Standards

Have teaching experience with not less than 1 year in an educational institution under a school system."

IE You need to teach for 1 year before you can obtain a teacher licence.

http://www.ksp.or.th...Requirement.pdf

What's your experience with that then, Loaded?

Employing teachers and extending visas and work permits is my experience.

So all your teachers have TCT Teacher Licenses! Kudos.

Still don't understand why you're writing in #26 about your experiences with the TCT Provisional Teaching Permit and in post #32 you're writing about a requirement for the TCT Teacher License without pointing at something.

[aidenai]

The waiver stuff starts after a year, when you start the Work Permit/extension of stay all over again. Then you will need the TL, or waiver.

Well, I've posted links to the MoL/ DoE WP.1 and Police Order 305/2551.

I guess the rules apply to and are enforced in my area only.

[Trembly]

There is most definitely such a thing as a Bachelor's waiver for those with "special / proven / uncommon expertise in a subject matter that is currently in demand". There is even a form with a serial number and everything that my director gave me to fill in a while ago for this specific purpose but I don't know what I've done with it.

Speak to your Por-Or about it again. Try to persuade him to dig out any of his chums (roon-diew-gan / classmates ) who might now be in the Ministry.

[puchooay]

Most definitely prior Feb 2012 it was possible to get a waiver without a degree. I know because I am now on my second. My colleague has just applied. He is currently studying online. I will let you all know what happens.

I also know of one other guy who has just applied for his 3 rd waiver and he has, as yet, done nothing about getting qualified at all. Will let you all know the outcome of that one too.

I myself am now studying online. My waiver runs out May next year. Not sure if I will be finished by then.

Guess we will all have to keep an eye on things.

Maybe the TCT might get things in order too. Lol

Edited April 22, 2012 by Scott
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[puchooay]

Collegue mentioned above denied yesterday. He is 2 years through an online degree. He had proof of this from the Uni. He received a straight No. Told to come back when degree finished.

He actually travelled, a long way, to the TCT personally. Something that usually carries a bit more weight than posting the application.

[Phatcharanan]

For that there is the additional requirement of a medical exam and syphilis test--this is now required for renewal. (I just had to get my second medical exam--the first one was 15 years ago--between now and then none). The Work Permit is issued and then the immigration extension of stay.

Must be nice to know that you ain't got syphilis mate!

[aidenai]

Collegue mentioned above denied yesterday. He is 2 years through an online degree. He had proof of this from the Uni. He received a straight No. Told to come back when degree finished.

Thanks for this update, puchooay.

[puchooay]

Collegue mentioned above denied yesterday. He is 2 years through an online degree. He had proof of this from the Uni. He received a straight No. Told to come back when degree finished.

Thanks for this update, puchooay.

No problem. Will update about the other chap when I know.

[puchooay]

I tried a search of the websites mentioned but cannot find a list of the Universities that the TCT will certify. Does anyone have a direct link please.

The reason I ask is that a teacher at our school who has a degree, a real degree, was refused today because his Uni was not on "the list".

Thanks

[aidenai]

I tried a search of the websites mentioned but cannot find a list of the Universities that the TCT will certify. Does anyone have a direct link please.

The reason I ask is that a teacher at our school who has a degree, a real degree, was refused today because his Uni was not on "the list".

Thanks

When the TCT introduced the regulations for the provisional teaching permit on 3 April 2012, the database of the Office of the Civil Service Commission as mentioned in the regulations was online for a couple of days but went offline and until now didn't come online again.

Here's the link but it's dead. Not sure if it comes online again.

http://www.ocsc.go.t...ryID=CAT0001534

[Loaded]

I tried a search of the websites mentioned but cannot find a list of the Universities that the TCT will certify. Does anyone have a direct link please.

The reason I ask is that a teacher at our school who has a degree, a real degree, was refused today because his Uni was not on "the list".

Thanks

When the TCT introduced the regulations for the provisional teaching permit on 3 April 2012, the database of the Office of the Civil Service Commission as mentioned in the regulations was online for a couple of days but went offline and until now didn't come online again.

Here's the link but it's dead. Not sure if it comes online again.

http://www.ocsc.go.t...ryID=CAT0001534

I found this but I don't fancy looking through all 225 pages:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091204132418/http://www.ocsc.go.th/ocsccms/frontweb/view.jsp?categoryID=CAT0001534

[justaphase]

Doesn't the search work then?

[puchooay]

Doesn't the search work then?

No.

[aidenai]

I tried a search of the websites mentioned but cannot find a list of the Universities that the TCT will certify. Does anyone have a direct link please.

The reason I ask is that a teacher at our school who has a degree, a real degree, was refused today because his Uni was not on "the list".

Thanks

When the TCT introduced the regulations for the provisional teaching permit on 3 April 2012, the database of the Office of the Civil Service Commission as mentioned in the regulations was online for a couple of days but went offline and until now didn't come online again.

Here's the link but it's dead. Not sure if it comes online again.

http://www.ocsc.go.t...ryID=CAT0001534

I found this but I don't fancy looking through all 225 pages:

http://web.archive.o...ryID=CAT0001534

Here's the working link to the CSC's database.

http://203.21.42.34/acc/index.html

The content of the database is at least 10 years old. Moreover, The Teachers' Council of Thailand doesn't seem to recognise the university accreditation database of the International Association of Universities/ UNESCO.

thailandteaching.asia/teacher-licensing-tct/13837-teachers-council-thailand-doesnt-recognise-iau-unesco-universities-database.html#post57920

[thaicbr]

OP. I know this is an older thread BUT if you were working as a teacher with a work permit prior to 2003 (i think april) then you have grandfather rights to a teachers license. Teachers at my school got those.

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[culicine]

OP. I know this is an older thread BUT if you were working as a teacher with a work permit prior to 2003 (i think april) then you have grandfather rights to a teachers license. Teachers at my school got those.

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Yes, but my understanding is that you needed to be teaching continuously since that time, with no breaks. I've been teaching since 2001, and my school 'lost' one years teacher licence document / paperwork. Hence I couldn't be grandfathered. Luckily I had completed a teaching course in the meantime. One teacher missed out on grandfathering by only a month - she started work in June 2003.

[aidenai]

OP. I know this is an older thread BUT if you were working as a teacher with a work permit prior to 2003 (i think april) then you have grandfather rights to a teachers license. Teachers at my school got those.

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Correct thaicbr. However, that opportunity closed at the end of 2006.

Clause 6 Any foreigner who is a teacher in any educational institution prior to the date of enforcement of the Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act B.E. 2546 (2003) shall submit an application for a license to practice the teaching profession within one hundred and twenty days from the date of enforcement of this Notification.

Notified on this 17th day of July 2006.

Edited May 29, 2012 by aidenai

[thaicbr]

OP. I know this is an older thread BUT if you were working as a teacher with a work permit prior to 2003 (i think april) then you have grandfather rights to a teachers license. Teachers at my school got those.

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Correct thaicbr. However, that opportunity closed at the end of 2006.

Clause 6 Any foreigner who is a teacher in any educational institution prior to the date of enforcement of the Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act B.E. 2546 (2003) shall submit an application for a license to practice the teaching profession within one hundred and twenty days from the date of enforcement of this Notification.

Notified on this 17th day of July 2006.

Well that's strange as we had some done 2 years ago.

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[aidenai]

Well that's strange as we had some done 2 years ago.

That's what Thai rules are for, innit?

If teachers meet the requirements I do advise to always give it a try though but then again, the closing date was at the end of 2006 according to the law.

Edited June 3, 2012 by aidenai