Red-Shirt Pavilion Burnt Down In Songkhla

[JohnAllan]

Red shirt villages say everything about their approach to reconciliation. Akin to George W's' - or rather, Dicky's - "Your are either for us, or against us!" philosophy.

[JohnAllan]

No-one saw an arsonist, nobody even noticed it burning, and unless there is a smell of inflammables, the reason the arsonist is unknown may well be because he only exists in the tiny paranoid minds of the reds and the police.

OTOH just because you're paranoid doesn't mean their isn't somebody out to get you.

Or they set the fire themselves.

[thaicbr]

However much I dislike the red shirts or at least the more extreme ones burning their garden shed or whatever it's supposed to be isn't the answer nor is it right.

Ca someone explain to me what a red shirt village is exactly? How many or what proportion of the village have to be red supporters for it to be declared red? What if you aren't red? What is the legal basis for them? Honest answers only please. I can't tell how serious it is without knowing.

I have asked this question a few times. With no clear answer from anyone Red or otherwise . I would presume 100% but i doubt that in reality.

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[kimamey]

However much I dislike the red shirts or at least the more extreme ones burning their garden shed or whatever it's supposed to be isn't the answer nor is it right.

Ca someone explain to me what a red shirt village is exactly? How many or what proportion of the village have to be red supporters for it to be declared red? What if you aren't red? What is the legal basis for them? Honest answers only please. I can't tell how serious it is without knowing.

I have asked this question a few times. With no clear answer from anyone Red or otherwise . I would presume 100% but i doubt that in reality.

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Just read the linked report http://isaanrecord.c...munity-divided/ and it would seem 70% is needed. Of course I don't know if the vote could be conducted fairly.

[tlansford]

Well after reading a post last night that a "red village" had been burnt, I must say I was a little disappointed, first that it was only a "pavilion" and then by the picture. Does 3m x 3m constitute a "pavilion"?

I suppose it is symbolic, and it probably was a magnificent piece of architecture in the Isaan style (though a roof or walls would have added to it substantially) giving a whole new meaning to "priceless". Besides the lack of a roof, what distinguishes a red village pavilion from a bus shelter? Pictures of Thaksin?

did you really mean to say that you were disappointed that it was not an entire village?

[phiphidon]

It woudn't necessarily have to be any political party involved at all, as noted by bendejo, the Shinawatra family and the Red Shirts are less than popular in the South. Considering the fact that this is widespread knowledge, the motives of the red shirts in the South do seem questionable.

Democracy sbk? Are the red shirts banned from the south because they are "less than popular" there?" After all it's perfectly acceptable to be a member of or support a party/ideology other than the UDD or PTP in the red "heartlands" of the north as shown by the recent win by the BJP in Chiang Rai for the Mayoral position.

[whybother]

And " police and locals saw Democrat MPs Thaworn Senneam and Pol Maj-General Surin Palare lead the rally." opposed to the redshirt organizing.

The big difference is that one group is not implicated in the arson, whilst the Democrat backed group allegedly is. (

I believe motorcycle gangs call this a turf war.

Allegedly it is alleged that someone alleged that it was Jatuporn himself that is implicated in alleging that there was an allegation that it was red shirts that are implicated.

[fxe1200]

It was probably right to burn the shed down, as the Red Shirts could not present an official permission to set up a structure on that ground, and thy never will get a permission in Songkhla.

[OzMick]

Well after reading a post last night that a "red village" had been burnt, I must say I was a little disappointed, first that it was only a "pavilion" and then by the picture. Does 3m x 3m constitute a "pavilion"?

I suppose it is symbolic, and it probably was a magnificent piece of architecture in the Isaan style (though a roof or walls would have added to it substantially) giving a whole new meaning to "priceless". Besides the lack of a roof, what distinguishes a red village pavilion from a bus shelter? Pictures of Thaksin?

did you really mean to say that you were disappointed that it was not an entire village?

See post #10. late last evening one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south. Today's facts didn't quite live up to last night's advertising - a bit like PTP election promises.

[OzMick]

It woudn't necessarily have to be any political party involved at all, as noted by bendejo, the Shinawatra family and the Red Shirts are less than popular in the South. Considering the fact that this is widespread knowledge, the motives of the red shirts in the South do seem questionable.

Democracy sbk? Are the red shirts banned from the south because they are "less than popular" there?" After all it's perfectly acceptable to be a member of or support a party/ideology other than the UDD or PTP in the red "heartlands" of the north as shown by the recent win by the BJP in Chiang Rai for the Mayoral position.

Oh yes, democracy in the north is just one big bowl of roses.

[Jdietz]

Picture of the original building before the fire:

Sent from my toilet.

[Buchholz]

Meanwhile, Songkhla Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha expressed concern about the setting up of red-shirt villages in the South, which he felt would only cause more conflicts in society.

The MP said the government used the villages for political purposes, which contradicted its policy of reconciliation.

He said the government should stop supporting the UDD. The group rallied for the government, using state funds and cooperative state systems under the pretext of fighting for democracy and opposing drugs, he said.

Sirichok also noted that state officials were involved in red-shirt activities, such as Pol Colonel Tawee Sodsong, director of the Southern Border Provinces Administration Centre (SBPAC), while others were asking officials to stop supporting the red-shirts and concentrate on their work.

Sirichok also noted the involvement in the Red Villages by other government employees citing that Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn and Pheu Thai MP Weng were going to be speakers for a training course on the Red Villages next month as well as Police Colonel Tawee (mentioned above) also participating as a speaker during the conference.

The keynote speaker giving the address at the conclusion of the training course was going to be Deputy Agriculture Minister and Pheu Thai MP Natthawut.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai MP and Prime Minister says...

"Another mission is to unite the people and create reconciliation in the country without the division of colors"

- Yingluck Shinawatra (as translated by Reuters)

[steveromagnino]

_{It's a gimmick to raise support for the red shirts in the NE; this is an easy way to say look those people are against us, you know how you were starting to lose interest, well you need to focus on being pro red shirt or else those amartaya are going to burn your house down too!!}

_{Requires the intellect of a 5 year old to interpret red shirt leader motivation. And the intellect of less than a 5 year old to listen to them for more than a couple of hours.}

[birdpooguava]

Who are the real terrorists here? Which group of people bomb & murder on a daily & ongoing basis?

[garrya]

What a waste!

I will try to raise money for a new building, na khrap

Politics can't be much dirtier than here

[bigbamboo]

Red shirts playing with matches again?

[whybother]

Who are the real terrorists here? Which group of people bomb & murder on a daily & ongoing basis?

Was it the separatists that burnt it down?

[luckyman]

Well after reading a post last night that a "red village" had been burnt, I must say I was a little disappointed, first that it was only a "pavilion" and then by the picture. Does 3m x 3m constitute a "pavilion"?

Sounding like a bit of a red shirt terrorist sympathizer yourself there Mick mate.

BTW I think as opposed to "pavilion" it seems to be more of a sala type construction.

Don't you mean Yellow shirt sympathizer?

[mca]

No.

[rogerdee123]

It wasn't really burned.

Because of the hot weather and last year's floods, people just think it was burned.

[h90]

In the south they really don't like Communists...

[FOODLOVER]

Red out house doth not make a red village.

Sent from my butt.

[pastitche]

It woudn't necessarily have to be any political party involved at all, as noted by bendejo, the Shinawatra family and the Red Shirts are less than popular in the South. Considering the fact that this is widespread knowledge, the motives of the red shirts in the South do seem questionable.

The South is not the only place, they aren't welcomed.

In the heart of Issan...

KHON KAEN – In Non Reuang, an unassuming Northeastern village located just 15 kilometers north of Khon Kaen city, fallow rice fields line pothole-ridden roads made dusty with windswept topsoil. Here, most residents are looking to have those roads repaved. Others are interested in having the local elementary school’s bathrooms renovated. These are the daily concerns of a small provincial town in which everyone knows everyone else.

But on December 23, Non Reuang made headlines when a group of concerned citizens successfully torpedoed plans to establish the community as a Red Village, just one day before its proposed inauguration ceremony. A village-wide vote saw 160 votes cast against the Red Village’s establishment and, as a result of a Red Shirt boycott, none cast in support.

The Red Village movement, conceived in the run up to last year’s July 3 election, has seen hundreds of villages throughout the Northeast name themselves “Red Villages for Democracy” in an attempt to demonstrate organizational power and scale. But in places like Non Reuang, the movement has strained community relations and deepened political divides.

http://isaanrecord.c...munity-divided/

A bit of a disappointing reference; classics graduates who couldn't find teaching jobs in the US came to Thailand, presumably to teach English and set up a website reporting on life in Isaan based on interviews carried out via an interpreter. With no professional journalistic experience or training, in a country with a completely different political system and political culture from their homeland, I don't think that their insights are of any particular worth

[philw]

Red out house doth not make a red village.

Sent from my butt.

Clearly.

Hope you washed it.

[Mosha]

In the south they really don't like Communists...

In the South they don't like the Shinawatra family. I'd be interested to hear how many Issan natives live in the Southern red villages.

[OzMick]

It woudn't necessarily have to be any political party involved at all, as noted by bendejo, the Shinawatra family and the Red Shirts are less than popular in the South. Considering the fact that this is widespread knowledge, the motives of the red shirts in the South do seem questionable.

The South is not the only place, they aren't welcomed.

In the heart of Issan...

KHON KAEN – In Non Reuang, an unassuming Northeastern village located just 15 kilometers north of Khon Kaen city, fallow rice fields line pothole-ridden roads made dusty with windswept topsoil. Here, most residents are looking to have those roads repaved. Others are interested in having the local elementary school’s bathrooms renovated. These are the daily concerns of a small provincial town in which everyone knows everyone else.

But on December 23, Non Reuang made headlines when a group of concerned citizens successfully torpedoed plans to establish the community as a Red Village, just one day before its proposed inauguration ceremony. A village-wide vote saw 160 votes cast against the Red Village’s establishment and, as a result of a Red Shirt boycott, none cast in support.

The Red Village movement, conceived in the run up to last year’s July 3 election, has seen hundreds of villages throughout the Northeast name themselves “Red Villages for Democracy” in an attempt to demonstrate organizational power and scale. But in places like Non Reuang, the movement has strained community relations and deepened political divides.

http://isaanrecord.c...munity-divided/

A bit of a disappointing reference; classics graduates who couldn't find teaching jobs in the US came to Thailand, presumably to teach English and set up a website reporting on life in Isaan based on interviews carried out via an interpreter. With no professional journalistic experience or training, in a country with a completely different political system and political culture from their homeland, I don't think that their insights are of any particular worth

So in spite of your criticisms, are their facts wrong? Is Non Reuang actually a red village?

[DP25]

In the south they really don't like Communists...

In the South they don't like the Shinawatra family. I'd be interested to hear how many Issan natives live in the Southern red villages.

There are Isaan migrants down there but I don't know if they live together. Unless there is an entire village of Isaan migrants all living together I don't see how anywhere in Songkhla is likely to have a majority, let alone be unanimous, in wanting to be part of a 'red shirt village'.

Votes for Songkhla province as a whole in the 2011 election

Democrats 564,763

PTP 60,007

The specific area this occured was in Amphoe Jana which is part of district 8 which voted

Democrat 71,297

PTP 10,523

[hellodolly]

Are these villages against the constitution? Have these villagers committed crimes? If yes, prosecute. If not, shut up & leave them alone.

When will they leave us alone.

They protest against the Democrat's because they want Democracy and no military coups.

Now they are protesting against the PT for the same reasons.

quote

"Red-shirt leaders say rallies were organized to promote democracy, oppose drugs and military coups,"

I noticed that since the PT has come to power they had to add drugs.

Red-shirt leaders say rallies were organized to promote democracy, oppose drugs and military coups,

[hellodolly]

Meanwhile, Songkhla Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha expressed concern about the setting up of red-shirt villages in the South, which he felt would only cause more conflicts in society.

The MP said the government used the villages for political purposes, which contradicted its policy of reconciliation.

He said the government should stop supporting the UDD. The group rallied for the government, using state funds and cooperative state systems under the pretext of fighting for democracy and opposing drugs, he said.

Sirichok also noted that state officials were involved in red-shirt activities, such as Pol Colonel Tawee Sodsong, director of the Southern Border Provinces Administration Centre (SBPAC), while others were asking officials to stop supporting the red-shirts and concentrate on their work.

Sirichok also noted the involvement in the Red Villages by other government employees citing that Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn and Pheu Thai MP Weng were going to be speakers for a training course on the Red Villages next month as well as Police Colonel Tawee (mentioned above) also participating as a speaker during the conference.

The keynote speaker giving the address at the conclusion of the training course was going to be Deputy Agriculture Minister and Pheu Thai MP Natthawut.

And " police and locals saw Democrat MPs Thaworn Senneam and Pol Maj-General Surin Palare lead the rally." opposed to the redshirt organizing.

The big difference is that one group is not implicated in the arson, whilst the Democrat backed group allegedly is. (

I believe motorcycle gangs call this a turf war.

Personally I am going to allege you in it.

Now you can add another group to your alleged list. (Thaksin Fans)

[hellodolly]

No-one saw an arsonist, nobody even noticed it burning, and unless there is a smell of inflammables, the reason the arsonist is unknown may well be because he only exists in the tiny paranoid minds of the reds and the police.

OTOH just because you're paranoid doesn't mean their isn't somebody out to get you.

You forgot to include GK in your list of people who suspect.