Any Advise Appreciated On Wifes Visa Refusal

[jvc600]

well all my wife had her settlement visa interview last month and was turned down.this is what it says in her refusal notice:you state you met your husband in 2003 and that your relationship began immediately.you have also stated that you were having a relationship with another man and that both parties where aware of each other.i note that you travelled to twice to this other mans country in 2004 for a total of 7 months.from documents sent to this office it would appear you began preparations for a marriage to the other man in june 2004. you have stated that you where not aware that the documents you signed were with regard to the marriage.i note that you signed a thai document granting this man rights as your legal representive..you state that you did not know what you where signing.i note that you maried jvc600 in may 2005 and that a dowry was paid. i note that you have met jvc600 6 times for approx 2 weeks per time.

you have supplied little documentary evidence to show that your relationship with jvc600 began in 2003.i have documents that suggest you where entering in to a marriage with this other man in his country.you have not been able to give me a satisfactory explanantion for this evidence and i am therefore not satisfied that your true intention is to live permantely in the uk as the spouse of jvc600. therefore i refuse you entry and ref paragrapgh 281.

So all any ideas as to what me and my wife can do now as we have another interview and i will try and put a evidenvce folder together to fight the above .??

Please advise/ help if you can.

Edited January 2, 2006 by jvc600

[easttech]

well all my wife had her settlement visa interview last month and was turned down.this is what it says in her refusal notice:you state you met your husband in 2003 and that your relationship began immediately.you have also stated that you were having a relationship with another man and that both parties where aware of each other.i note that you travelled to twice to this other mans country in 2004 for a total of 7 months.from documents sent to this office it would appear you began preparations for a marriage to the other man in june 2004. you have stated that you where not aware that the documents you signed were with regard to the marriage.i note that you signed a thai document granting this man rights as your legal representive..you state that you did not know what you where signing.i note that you maried jvc600 in may 2005 and that a dowry was paid. i note that you have met jvc600 6 times for approx 2 weeks per time.

  you have supplied little documentary evidence to show that your relationship with jvc600 began in 2003.i have documents that suggest you where entering in to a marriage with this other man in his country.you have not been able to give me a satisfactory explanantion for this evidence and i am therefore not satisfied that your true intention is to live permantely in the uk as the spouse of jvc600. therefore i refuse you entry and ref paragrapgh 281. 

So all any ideas as to what me and my wife can do now as we have another interview and i will try and put a evidenvce folder together to fight the above .??

Please advise/ help if you can.

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Although I understand what they are saying in their refusal, I am unsure of why it matters. You are now husband and wife, why does her prior relationship matter?

Is there anything else you have not mentioned?

Also, wht country is this for?

[jrincon17]

well all my wife had her settlement visa interview last month and was turned down.this is what it says in her refusal notice:you state you met your husband in 2003 and that your relationship began immediately.you have also stated that you were having a relationship with another man and that both parties where aware of each other.i note that you travelled to twice to this other mans country in 2004 for a total of 7 months.from documents sent to this office it would appear you began preparations for a marriage to the other man in june 2004. you have stated that you where not aware that the documents you signed were with regard to the marriage.i note that you signed a thai document granting this man rights as your legal representive..you state that you did not know what you where signing.i note that you maried jvc600 in may 2005 and that a dowry was paid. i note that you have met jvc600 6 times for approx 2 weeks per time.

  you have supplied little documentary evidence to show that your relationship with jvc600 began in 2003.i have documents that suggest you where entering in to a marriage with this other man in his country.you have not been able to give me a satisfactory explanantion for this evidence and i am therefore not satisfied that your true intention is to live permantely in the uk as the spouse of jvc600. therefore i refuse you entry and ref paragrapgh 281. 

So all any ideas as to what me and my wife can do now as we have another interview and i will try and put a evidenvce folder together to fight the above .??

Please advise/ help if you can.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Although I understand what they are saying in their refusal, I am unsure of why it matters. You are now husband and wife, why does her prior relationship matter?

Is there anything else you have not mentioned?

Also, wht country is this for?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It seems to them she is just looking for a way out and had many relationships to other men whikle seeing you at the time . I am just guessing at what it appears to them .

[jvc600]

the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.

the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else

Edited January 2, 2006 by jvc600

[MikeRay]

Where is she staying now?

Are you legally married in the UK?

[jrincon17]

the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.

the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence

[jvc600]

Where is she staying now?

Are you legally married in the UK?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

we married legally married under thai law and got married in bangkok in thailand and she is staying in thailand at the minute in my apartment

Edited January 2, 2006 by jvc600

[jvc600]

the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.

the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview

[jvc600]

the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.

the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview. surely it would be a good idea me stating in a letter of introduction all about our relationship from start to now and about my thoughts on the other guy and her going to his country as the embassy know what she has done and are just wanting me and my wife to address the issues raised and fill in the gaps in between and leave nothing out as they are assuming the rest already. better to tel the whole truth is not?

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[jrincon17]

the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.

the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

print out the good ones . like where she said no and things like that , it doesnt look good though but can just say that when she spent time with him that she did not love him and found that out there .

[jvc600]

the visa is for the uk. i have not left any thing out. all what i have said is true.

the only thing i forgot to add was this other man asked her to marry him whilst she was in his country. through out her second time in his country i was in conatct with her and i can prove this as i have kept the emails etc and will produce the phone bills. i would furter add that my wife said no to him and late returned back to thailand alone. i did not ask her to marry me until 6 months had passed in thailand . the problem is now convincing the eco this and every thing else

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

if you have the emails print those out , with out any incriminating evidence

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

when you say incriminating evidence what do you mean? as theyare already aware of my wifes past history on what has gone on with the other guy and myself as this was all asked at interview

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

print out the good ones . like where she said no and things like that , it doesnt look good though but can just say that when she spent time with him that she did not love him and found that out there .

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i have also got a email from the eco that interview my wife which says even though we get documents that may be for a malicoius reason we must take all of these documnets seriously,youself and your wife must address the issues raised in her refusal and refute the ones that you feel are wrong with evidence to support your rational. the embassy i think know it was a case of a jealous boyfriend trying to seek and get revenge but just wont say that to me as otherwise they would have give her the visa.i am more concerned now on what will be the next line of interogation my wife will be subjected to next month. this is any bodies guess.what else can they honestly ask her that they havent asked already ??

[expatinasia]

The ECO went out of his way to provide a very clear idea of his concerns. It's not just a question of your honesty - there's a question of her's. For example, her claim that she signed documents that she was unaware of their meaning. Does she understand NOW what she is doing? Too, the fact that she was planning a marriage to you while she was married to another person does not present her well.

[Jersey_UK]

I hesitate to say anything on this thread cos I am only just starting down this road, we haven't even got married yet - let alone applied for a Settlement Visa, so what I have "learned" (I use this term loosely!) comes largely from this website - so please bear this is mind!

However from what you have said it appears that the problems are twofold, firstly that they beleive that your wife's purpose in marrying you is solely to relocate to the UK - she failed to secure a Farang Husband first time to do this (sounds like a fellow Brit?) and she is now just trying again, with you being just incidental to this arrangement.

The second problem is that they seem to regard her as having effectively lied on her PREVIOUS visa application(s). As they mention her previous intention to marry your predecessor I am guessing this may have been Fiance Visa or a Tourist Visa with a good reason to return. Either way she sounds like she may have stated or provided evidence of her undying love (and presumed fidelity) to Farang No.1, and now she has just admitted that this wasn't the case.

Her now saying she did not understand the Forms she signed seems to fall under the category "she would say that wouldn't she". The fact that she was having a relationship with you may not be the problem, or that she lied to Farang No.1, it's that she appears to have lied to the Embassy, which leads them to conclude she may now be lying.

As I said I am not an expert on all this stuff, no doubt wiser heads will advise further - and no doubt I have got the wrong end of the stick on some of the story.

[GU22]

Jersey UK has summed it up in a nutshell.

It looks like her first attempt to ensnare a Falang husband and a visa failed, so now she is trying again. (I said "it looks like", I am not saying that this is the intention. But you must admit, to an impartial outsider it does look a bit iffy!

i have also got a email from the eco that interview my wife which says even though we get documents that may be for  a malicoius reason we must take all of these documnets seriously,youself and your wife must address the issues raised in her refusal and refute the ones that you feel are wrong with evidence to support your rational.

This is the answer to your questions, this is what you have to do.

Provide as much evidence as you can to refute the reasons for refusal and the allegations made by this other guy.

BTW, was she open and upfront about the other relationship in her application, or did the ECO discover it some other way?

[the scouser]

Simply making a second application is not going to increase your wife's chances of getting the visa. It is imperative that she addresses the visa officer's concerns. As a starting point, submit evidence which highlights your ongoing relationship since 2003.

Additionally, ask the embassy to disclose to you the documents in their possession which led them to draw the conclusions that they did. It is unfair of them to rely upon something of which your wife is not aware. Once you have all of the relevant information you can prepare your case. Also obtain a copy of the interview record from your wife's last appointment. Furthermore, make sure you appeal. If you don't do so, the visa officer can infer that you think his original decision was correct.

Your wife will face an uphill battle, though. One of the requirements of the immigration rules is that she needs to satisfy the visa officer of her intention to live with you permanently and this will be difficult when she freely admits that she was pursuing 2 relationships simultaneously.

Scouse.

[jvc600]

Simply making a second application is not going to increase your wife's chances of getting the visa. It is imperative that she addresses the visa officer's concerns. As a starting point, submit evidence which highlights your ongoing relationship since 2003.

Additionally, ask the embassy to disclose to you the documents in their possession which led them to draw the conclusions that they did. It is unfair of them to rely upon something of which your wife is not aware. Once you have all of the relevant information you can prepare your case. Also obtain a copy of the interview record from your wife's last appointment. Furthermore, make sure you appeal. If you don't do so, the visa officer can infer that you think his original decision was correct.

Your wife will face an uphill battle, though. One of the requirements of the immigration rules is that she needs to satisfy the visa officer of her intention to live with you permanently and this will be difficult when she freely admits that she was pursuing 2 relationships simultaneously.

Scouse.

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thanks for the diffrent view point so far.

what i can say is this: I met her in 2003 about may time . she met this other guy in about september 2003. this guy was twice her age and was a swiss national.she went to switzerland on two 3 months visitors visa. she recalls having to sign papers the second time to enable her to go. she made a few good friends there.one of these good friends she got back in touch with me through via phone calls and emails. i called her and emailed her back this way. I have kept the emails and am getting my phone records pulled. i have an email that says he asked her to marry him in switzerland and she said no to him and that she wanted to go home and be with me. i have emails up to and after this time and the various photos and phone bills up to november 2004. i did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.

this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together. i have emailed the swissa authorities .they have emailed and told me she is not married to him.also her friend in switzerland has told me in and email she is not married to him. my wife and i have spoken to him.he says no and that he is sorry for what he has done.yeh sure :realangry:my wife has given lettesr to the swiss embassy about him ,we have kept copies of every thing. i will write a letter of indroduction as well to my embassy outlineing all of the above and stating that the relationship was not getting serious for me until november 2004 with my now wife. i have requested to see these documents the embassy will not let me see them what so ever. i have stated in a letter we do not wish to appeal on the grounds that it will take to long and the evidence we submitted was enought and did not believe would be required. i dont think any thing but time will help us now as its in the lap of the gods dont you think this time when my wife shows them this extra evidence i will give her to take inside for interview ???

Edited January 3, 2006 by jvc600

[the scouser]

Unless what the Swiss bloke wrote in his letter relates to national security, I don't see how the embassy can legitimately withold it. I'd press them for a copy solely in the interests of natural justice. I don't think you can adequately prepare for your next interview until you are in possession of all of the evidence. If they steadfastly refuse to release the information then either go to your MP or instruct a brief.

Your wife could be in with a shout if you can show that the Swiss chap acted maliciously and that your relationship did not become serious until such a time as your wife had left Switzerland.

Cheers,

Scouse.

[jvc600]

Unless what the Swiss bloke wrote in his letter relates to national security, I don't see how the embassy can legitimately withold it. I'd press them for a copy solely in the interests of natural justice. I don't think you can adequately prepare for your next interview until you are in possession of all of the evidence. If they steadfastly refuse to release the information then either go to your MP or instruct a brief.

Your wife could be in with a shout if you can show that the Swiss chap acted maliciously and that your relationship did not become serious until such a time as your wife had left Switzerland.

Cheers,

Scouse.

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I have personaly been into the embassy three times about these documents and have asked and emailed the eco manager to talk with me and show me these documents.i have put it in writing whilst i was there last time and stated to them it was an act of a jealous ex boyfiend .i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence. i have an appointment with my mp in two weeks time and i will raise my concerns about this to her. from what i can gather when my wife had her first interview they where only interested in my bank and savings statements and house docs.as a result of this they forgot to give them back to my wife .i have a email to back this up.they hacv subsequently said they are sorry and sent the bank statements back to me but that is all,and have kept the copies of the title deeds to the house.i have emailed directly the eco who sent me her appology back about this and as yet had no reply.i will argue also that the eco had her mind made up.as why else not look at the evidence folder for contact from november 2004 as i stated in my firstindruduction letter about this and that we got seriuos from that point. clearly the eco did not look as she had what she needed to stop my wife this time?? as for next time i will see what advise my mp can offer me.....

[Jersey_UK]

Glad I got the story at least partly wrong - you do at least appear to have something to go on.

(BTW I WAS fogged out, now gonna miss me connection from LGW tommorow am to BKK )

[GU22]

I asked; "was she open and upfront about the other relationship in her application, or did the ECO discover it some other way?" Whilst not answering directly, you have said

i did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.

So my next question is; Why the hel_l not? Jesus Christ, man, what where you thinking? At the very least you must have known they would see the Swiss visas in her passport and so there was a good chance they would ask about them! You say yourself

this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together.

Did you know beforehand that there was a chance he would do this? You shoulld have addressed this before it became a problem. If you or she had fully explained the circumstances of her previous relationship and her Swiss visits in a covering letter with the application, as you have explained them here, with documents to back you up, then there is a very good chance you would not be having this problem and your wife would have her visa.

How many more times are we going to see posts from people who have had visas refused because they deliberately omitted information that they thought may be embarrassing, or may make their partner look bad? Full and open honesty is the only way. If you try to hide something and the ECO finds out about it, then there is a big question mark hanging over the veracity of the whole application!

OK, rant over.

they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence.

Seems to me that this is the only way forward.

i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.

Probably because the Data Protection Act does not allow them to. However, as the documents are about your wife, and are making malicious claims about her, then if she were to ask to see them they would probably comply. As Scouse says, she cannot defend herself against the allegations made against her unless she knows what those allegations are. Get her to ask for copies of them.

[jvc600]

I asked; "was she open and upfront about the other relationship in her application, or did the ECO discover it some other way?" Whilst not answering directly, you have said

i did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.

So my next question is; Why the hel_l not? Jesus Christ, man, what where you thinking? At the very least you must have known they would see the Swiss visas in her passport and so there was a good chance they would ask about them! You say yourself

this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together.

Did you know beforehand that there was a chance he would do this? You shoulld have addressed this before it became a problem. If you or she had fully explained the circumstances of her previous relationship and her Swiss visits in a covering letter with the application, as you have explained them here, with documents to back you up, then there is a very good chance you would not be having this problem and your wife would have her visa.

How many more times are we going to see posts from people who have had visas refused because they deliberately omitted information that they thought may be embarrassing, or may make their partner look bad? Full and open honesty is the only way. If you try to hide something and the ECO finds out about it, then there is a big question mark hanging over the veracity of the whole application!

OK, rant over.

they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence.

Seems to me that this is the only way forward.

i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.

Probably because the Data Protection Act does not allow them to. However, as the documents are about your wife, and are making malicious claims about her, then if she were to ask to see them they would probably comply. As Scouse says, she cannot defend herself against the allegations made against her unless she knows what those allegations are. Get her to ask for copies of them.

in response I can say this:I made a big big error of gudgement. i gave all the papers and some of this evidence to a visa agency to put my wifes application together first time as they organised our wedding in bangkok and just took from there. they said they had put all my evidence in.but when she went into interview i checked her folder this information was taken out .they said they felt it was best to show the relationship from november 2004 and not before as it was a problem .i was very angry as i knew we could do bog all and knew it would come up. but we never expected the swiss national to send this kind of information in to the embassy. I will never ever use an agency again for this kind of stuff. to marry yes,any thing else a big big no.. so do i tell the embassy this as well or not? this might make things even worse.

i now have the proof she did not marry in switzerland in the form of emails i have now got back from the zurich migration office and the registry office in blendorf that say papers where sent to prepare to marry but never marriage complete. they now want all my details about this.i will now send them as they are still waiting on the swiss man to tell them to cancell the wedding preparations!!!1

[jvc600]

I asked; "was she open and upfront about the other relationship in her application, or did the ECO discover it some other way?" Whilst not answering directly, you have said

i did not put this evidence in with her first application.i thought it best not tto talk about it and was in the past.

So my next question is; Why the hel_l not? Jesus Christ, man, what where you thinking? At the very least you must have known they would see the Swiss visas in her passport and so there was a good chance they would ask about them! You say yourself

this swiss man sent to my embassy the documents in question as he knew full well me and the wife would be making plans to be together and he could only do this to stop us from been together.

Did you know beforehand that there was a chance he would do this? You shoulld have addressed this before it became a problem. If you or she had fully explained the circumstances of her previous relationship and her Swiss visits in a covering letter with the application, as you have explained them here, with documents to back you up, then there is a very good chance you would not be having this problem and your wife would have her visa.

How many more times are we going to see posts from people who have had visas refused because they deliberately omitted information that they thought may be embarrassing, or may make their partner look bad? Full and open honesty is the only way. If you try to hide something and the ECO finds out about it, then there is a big question mark hanging over the veracity of the whole application!

I would also further add this: my wife never did put in a letter with her first application stating how our relationship was and how it grew over the years or about this swiss national and me.

i only stated that it was not serious up until november 2004 and never talked about her going to switzerland in 2004 ,just that i didnt see her for 7 months in early 2004.

I can tell you this we have done this now in her second application and my letter i will give to her to give to the eco in her second interview and it will be very detailed indeed about every thing and this swiss man

OK, rant over.

they have just told me i must either appeal on the information submitted at the time or reapply and put in all the missing evidence.

Seems to me that this is the only way forward.

i would like to see these documents.i have spoken to them on the phone.they refuse to comply with my requests.

Probably because the Data Protection Act does not allow them to. However, as the documents are about your wife, and are making malicious claims about her, then if she were to ask to see them they would probably comply. As Scouse says, she cannot defend herself against the allegations made against her unless she knows what those allegations are. Get her to ask for copies of them.

in response I can say this:I made a big big error of gudgement. i gave all the papers and some of this evidence to a visa agency to put my wifes application together first time as they organised our wedding in bangkok and just took from there. they said they had put all my evidence in.but when she went into interview i checked her folder this information was taken out .they said they felt it was best to show the relationship from november 2004 and not before as it was a problem .i was very angry as i knew we could do bog all and knew it would come up. but we never expected the swiss national to send this kind of information in to the embassy. I will never ever use an agency again for this kind of stuff. to marry yes,any thing else a big big no.. so do i tell the embassy this as well or not? this might make things even worse.

i now have the proof she did not marry in switzerland in the form of emails i have now got back from the zurich migration office and the registry office in blendorf that say papers where sent to prepare to marry but never marriage complete. they now want all my details about this.i will now send them as they are still waiting on the swiss man to tell them to cancell the wedding preparations!!!1

what else do you think my wife and i can do now. i dont think there is any think else .

please comment if you can advise me and my wife more.

[the scouser]

Yes, I'd include in your covering letter details about the agency and state that you were misled by them. This won't make matters worse than they currently are. You should then address one-by-one the points that the visa officer made in the refusal and "knock them down", referring to your evidence as you go along. I don't see how you can do this, though, until you have a copy of the letter that the Swiss bloke wrote to the embassy. Tell the visa officer that if he is unwilling to disclose it then, as a general legal principle, he cannot rely upon it when forming his decision. As he has relied upon it, he must disclose it - it's as simple as that.

Scouse.

[jvc600]

Yes, I'd include in your covering letter details about the agency and state that you were misled by them. This won't make matters worse than they currently are. You should then address one-by-one the points that the visa officer made in the refusal and "knock them down", referring to your evidence as you go along. I don't see how you can do this, though, until you have a copy of the letter that the Swiss bloke wrote to the embassy. Tell the visa officer that if he is unwilling to disclose it then, as a general legal principle, he cannot rely upon it when forming his decision. As he has relied upon it, he must disclose it - it's as simple as that.

Scouse.

I would just like to say scouse you have been a great help so far and so have others who have offered there opinions so far.

scouse can i just ask one question on the point you raised about me saying we used a agency and telling them. i feel if i tell them in my letter that we used an agency and they misled us in what papers they put in our evidence folder it might make the eco even more suspicious of me and my wife . wont the eco as a result of me telling them in affect we used an agency form the opion going on the last interview and the 45 questions they asked my wife last time and the answers she gave which where all true and she tried to fight her corner going on the copy of the minutes .the eco will think my wife had lied and had been coached what to say .this then would lead to my evidence been all usesless would it not and her credibility none exsistant?

[GU22]

Simply tell the whole story as you have explained it here, including the unauthorised actions of the agency. You have got into this predicament because relevant facts were left out of the original application; don't make the same mistake second time round.

If you and her tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then it will be impossible for her to be inconsistent at the interview.

BTW, this is why there are notices both in the embassy itself and on their website warning against the use of agents! Agents can be useful in arranging translations etc, but if they suggest altering facts or leaving things out...run!

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Simply tell the whole story as you have explained it here, including the unauthorised actions of the agency. You have got into this predicament because relevant facts were left out of the original application; don't make the same mistake second time round.

If you and her tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then it will be impossible for her to be inconsistent at the interview.

BTW, this is why there are notices both in the embassy itself and on their website warning against the use of agents! Agents can be useful in arranging translations etc, but if they suggest altering facts or leaving things out...run!

ok. you tell it well. i will cover this in my evidence letter. and my indroduction letter. my only fear is that they will think she has been coached on what to say last time about switzerland. but then again how could she have been coached when the only thing if she was to be coached would have been about me as thats all they have the answers to. i should have stopped them before they even started and not let them put my wifes application in for us with my evidence . its a good thing hynsight. if only. well my wife wishes the same now if only she never went to switzerland. you live and learn and move on to fight another day. such is life