Thaksin A Loyal Friend Of Reds: Natthawut

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Thaksin a loyal friend of reds: Natthawut

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua on Tuesday criticised the Democrats for trying to drive a wedge between the red shirts and former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

"For as long as I have known him, Thaksin has never abandoned his friends or allies in a common struggle," he said.

Natthawut dismissed speculation about a sour alliance, which he said spreaded by the Democrats, following the Saturday's phone-in at the red-shirt rally.

In his phone-in, Thaksin called for his red allies to rally behind mending fences so as to facilitate his homecoming. Many views his message for the reds to drop their demand for justice in the 2010 bloodshed, paving way for his amnesty.

Natthawut said the government was making progress in uncovering the culprits behind the political violence.

He said the Democrats would not succeed if they thought they could secure the loyalty of the red shirts by sowing distrust in Thaksin.

-- The Nation 2012-05-22

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Red-shirt Minister Assures Thaksin's Solidarity with Red-shirt People

A red-shirt minister has assured that ousted prime minister Thaksin Chinnawat will not leave red-shirt people behind after he asked them to forget the past.

Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Natthawut Saikua, also a red-shirt leader, said the video link message of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to a recent rally asking red-shirt members to forget the past and help rebuild national unity was a matter of different opinion, which is normal in a democratic society.

Natthawut stated he is unsure if Thaksin will come out to clarify his speech but affirmed the ousted premier still stands by red-shirt people and will not abandon them.

Natthawut admitted the group must hold talks among its members to create better understanding.

The red-shirt minister added that he is worried about the reconciliation process, which may cover amnesty for those who ordered the crackdown on the red-shirt protests.

-- Tan Network 2012-05-22

[birdpooguava]

Don't worry Nattawut. The more he speaks the less people like him. He can only dream about the sort of popularity Thaksin has.

[rubl]

"For as long as I have known him, Thaksin has never abandoned his friends or allies in a common struggle," he said.

True, very true. I can confirm that k. Thaksin always stands very firmly behind his people, very far behind to enable multitasking like shopping in Paris at the same time

[Crushdepth]

Red leadership sold out long ago. Now its just an arse licking competition.

[hyperdimension]

Natthawut admitted the group must hold talks among its members to create better understanding.

To agree to a common way to spin it... "Thaksin didn't really mean forget about all the deaths... blah blah blah"

The red-shirt minister added that he is worried about the reconciliation process, which may cover amnesty for those who ordered the crackdown on the red-shirt protests.

The amnesty would also cover all of Thaksin's wrongdoings, including terrorism. I hope Nattawut is against such an amnesty.

[FOODLOVER]

Don't worry Nattawut. The more he speaks the less people like him. He can only dream about the sort of popularity Thaksin has.

While silent, not liked.

[dru2]

Red leadership sold out long ago. Now its just an arse licking competition.

Yup - reportedly accepted THB200 million from Thaksin for his services in helping to torch Bangkok. In case you should ask, Phiphidon or GK, I can't substantiate this, but was told by a senior foreign correspondent who had it from one of Natthawut's old teachers in Nakhon Si Thammarat. But is sounds true, to me at least.

[givenall]

Doesn’t he mean the Red is the loyal friend of Thaksin?

Before Thaksin fall i never had heard of Red Shirt. They were manufacture by Thaksin and his partners for their interest

[OzMick]

Natthawut admitted the group must hold talks among its members to create better understanding.

To agree to a common way to spin it... "Thaksin didn't really mean forget about all the deaths... blah blah blah"

The red-shirt minister added that he is worried about the reconciliation process, which may cover amnesty for those who ordered the crackdown on the red-shirt protests.

The amnesty would also cover all of Thaksin's wrongdoings, including terrorism. I hope Nattawut is against such an amnesty.

Come on now. Nuttywot faces the same or similar charges to Thaksin, and would benefit from the amnesty equally. He also remembers how he became a millionaire and an MP.

"An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought."Simon Cameron

[bigbamboo]

Or in this case a friend in need, with the red shirts increasingly voicing discontent at being sidelined.

[MEL1]

"For as long as I have known him, Thaksin has never abandoned his friends or allies in a common struggle," he said.

Aye, that's why he frecked off abroad, in a state of incredulousness!

He'd never abandon his mateys, for a slice of his own loaf now, would he?

Natthawut obviously knows him well. Very well indeedy!

-mel.

[rubl]

"For as long as I have known him, Thaksin has never abandoned his friends or allies in a common struggle," he said.

Aye, that's why he frecked off abroad, in a state of incredulousness!

He'd never abandon his mateys, for a slice of his own loaf now, would he?

Natthawut obviously knows him well. Very well indeedy!

-mel.

I think the sting of the angle is in "common struggle" which may be struggling side by side or struggling for the same cause

[OzMick]

"Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer

The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,

Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles," ...............Pardon me, I have to go vomit.

[MEL1]

On Friendship.....

Kahlil Gibran.........

Your friend is your needs answered.

He is your field which you sow with love and reap with thanksgiving.

And he is your board and your fireside.

For you come to him with your hunger, and you seek him for peace.

When your friend speaks his mind you fear not the "nay" in your own mind, nor do you withhold the "ay."

And when he is silent your heart ceases not to listen to his heart;

For without words, in friendship, all thoughts, all desires, all expectations are born and shared, with joy that is unacclaimed.

When you part from your friend, you grieve not;

For that which you love most in him may be clearer in his absence, as the mountain to the climber is clearer from the plain.

And let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the spirit.

For love that seeks aught but the disclosure of its own mystery is not love but a net cast forth: and only the unprofitable is caught.

And let your best be for your friend.

If he must know the ebb of your tide, let him know its flood also.

For what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill?

Seek him always with hours to live.

For it is his to fill your need, but not your emptiness.

And in the sweetness of friendship let there be laughter, and sharing of pleasures.

For in the dew of little things the heart finds its morning and is refreshed.

Aye Khun Thaksin - refreshed like a need to return..... Baahumbug......

-mel.

[gand]

Had Thaksin stayed in Thailand and faced his charges, served what ever little time they would have given him, like the red shirts are doing now because of him, none of this would have happened. No red shirts dead from all the violence, no red shirts in jail. And Thaksin could be fighting shoulder to shoulder with his red shirts, instead of playing politics from behind the curtain like a puppet master.

[moe666]

Don't worry Nattawut. The more he speaks the less people like him. He can only dream about the sort of popularity Thaksin has.

You have been bought hook line and sinker

[gand]

Thaksin a loyal friend of Thaksin.

[hellodolly]

"For as long as I have known him, Thaksin has never abandoned his friends or allies in a common struggle," he said.

True, very true. I can confirm that k. Thaksin always stands very firmly behind his people, very far behind to enable multitasking like shopping in Paris at the same time

I was under the understanding that he had abandoned them in 2010 when he quit paying them. I would call that abandonment.

[gand]

The red shirts, 'feel so used'.

[mca]

Had Thaksin stayed in Thailand and faced his charges, served what ever little time they would have given him, like the red shirts are doing now because of him, none of this would have happened.

The thing is then you'd have a Thaksin who served his time like a man so whatever Dick Dastardly-like plans he would supposedly have for Thailand would be done under the cover of "legitimacy" and not "fugitive ex-Prime Minister" If history followed itself then you'd have a legitimate PM in the shape of Yingluk without the excess baggage of the red shirts, 90 or whatever dead, compensation payouts, attempting to bring her brother home etc. There wouldn't even be that stick that the Dems etc could bash the current government with.

I'll always say that Thaksin was a product of the system. The system that allows so many to get away with so much. So many things in all aspects of Thai society that should have been nipped in the bud long ago ( shoddy driving, loads of people driving illegally in vehicles that back home would have been pulled by the cops in a jiffy, paying under the table for services, bent cops, cops as lynchmen, cops as hitmen, using murder as a business tool, the list goes on) simply haven't been and now unfortunately Thailand's paying the price for its complacency.

Edited May 22, 2012 by mca

[MaiChai]

Don't worry Nattawut. The more he speaks the less people like him. He can only dream about the sort of popularity Thaksin has.

Its called buying loyalty.

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Thaksin 'hasn't abandoned reds'

The Nation

Members of the Democracy for Peace and Prosperity Federation gather at Government House with a picture of lese majeste convict Amphon

Pheu Thai MP Vorachai doubts authenticity of online criticism of ex-premier

BANGKOK: -- Thaksin Shinawatra's video link address last Saturday, in which he asked red shirts to forget about the past for the sake of reconciliation, is still a big issue people are debating.

Nattawut Saikua, the Deputy Agriculture Minister and a spokesperson for the red shirts, insisted yesterday that Thaksin's words did not mean he had abandoned his allies.

"Thaksin has fought with us and stayed by the side of the red shirts all along. It's not his character to turn his back on his friends and his supporters. He might be facing some sensitive issue that he can't explain out loud. But listen from the heart, we will understand it," he said.

Nattawut admitted that some red-shirt leaders might disagree or have been disappointed by Thaksin's words but he said that was the way of a democracy. But he believed the red shirts would still have the same goal to fight for a real democracy.

"Whatever Thaksin says won't change red-shirts' attitudes to a real democracy. However, I trust Thaksin will prove himself one day."

Nattawut said the government was making progress in uncovering culprits behind the political violence and the Democrat Party would not succeed if they thought they could secure the loyalty of the red shirts by sowing distrust over the former PM.

Thaksin's comments on Saturday also drew a negative response in cyberspace, with some red-shirts disagreeing with Thaksin's idea of reconciliation. But Pheu Thai MP Vorachai Hemma denied this.

"I would question how many per cent of real red shirts use the Internet socially. It might be folks acting stealthily - PAD or even Democrat people, who want to divide us, as we've seen the Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva trying to do," Vorachai said.

He also clarified that Thaksin's statement during his video link last Saturday wasn't meant to isolate him, but was done to urge red shirts to retain their victory in the general election and accept a reconciliation bill to help them "bring back" justice.

Meanwhile, a group of 100 red shirts petitioned the government yesterday to grant an amnesty to all prisoners serving sentences for insulting the monarchy under Article 112 of the Criminal Code.

"The government should complete the amnesty process by June 12," petitioner Anusorn Samithkul said.

Anusorn said an amnesty would prevent a repeat of the tragedy faced by lese majeste inmate Amphol Tangnoppakul, who died of cancer in prison before he could file for a pardon.

Government House official Sangiam Samranrat accepted the petition on the government's behalf and promised to act on it in a speedy manner.

In March, some eight lese majeste inmates, including Amphol, lodged a joint petition asking for the government to intervene by pushing for a pardon. The eight decided to apply for a pardon via the government rather than to the King because they viewed their legal wrangling as politically motivated.

-- The Nation 2012-05-23

[Mosha]

Had Thaksin stayed in Thailand and faced his charges, served what ever little time they would have given him, like the red shirts are doing now because of him, none of this would have happened. No red shirts dead from all the violence, no red shirts in jail. And Thaksin could be fighting shoulder to shoulder with his red shirts, instead of playing politics from behind the curtain like a puppet master.

If only his parents had used a condom.

[waza]

"For as long as I have known him, Thaksin has never abandoned his friends or allies in a common struggle," he said.

Thaksin, a former billionaire businessman, distanced himself Thursday from direct involvement in any political movement.

He insisted he is not advising members of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), the formal name for the Red Shirts, who enjoy wide support among Thailand’s rural poor and working class.

“I don’t know them,” he said. http://www.thestar.c...laxes-and-waits

TONY JONES: Are you prepared to go back to Thailand and face up to the terrorism charges that have been levelled against you?

THAKSIN SHINAWATRA: Well, first of all let me express my sympathy of the arrests of the Australian that went on the stage after the Red Shirts and been arrested.

Through the loyalty, our un-loyal, emergency decree, which is, I very sympathise him. But anyway, the, whether going back or no is not the matter of an urgency..

.......

TONY JONES: The allegations against you are, very specifically, that you orchestrated the recent unrest, that you secretly funded and possibly, directed, the operations or that subordinates acting on your behalf did all of those things.

....THAKSIN SHINAWATRA: Well if the process is gone to rule of law this allegation cannot be found because of the, there is no evidence at all, it's just the allegations, well from one sided and now, today, the court accept my lawyers petition to cancel the arrest for review............

I never, never supporting any violence and everybody that know me, and all the countries here they know well that is no one, nowhere that the former prime minister will become terrorist to hurt their own country. No way......

TONY JONES: At least one army general who supported you among the Red Shirts was shot dead during the unrest. Do you still have close supporters and followers in the military?

THAKSIN SHINAWATRA: You know because the military are very disciplined, you know, they, what they are, they just follow what the boss says but, anyway, many are not agree with the way the army has been used to kill their own people..............What you have to concern is the life of the innocent people 88 of people dying and 108, 1,080, 1,800 of injured so that is, you have to have investigation on that. And the investigation must be fair, fair. And now 300 innocent protestor has been detained under the emergency decree. So, so..

In his phone-in, Thaksin called for his red allies to rally behind mending fences so as to facilitate his homecoming. Many views his message for the reds to drop their demand for justice in the 2010 bloodshed, paving way for his amnesty.

TONY JONES: Do you reject, do you reject the violence that was done in your name, as well...

THAKSIN SHINAWATRA: No way, we are...

http://www.abc.net.a...10/s2910366.htm

Edited May 23, 2012 by waza

[OzMick]

The red shirts, 'feel so used'.

Will you still respect me in the morning?

I don't respect you now!

Edited May 23, 2012 by OzMick

[OzMick]

Thai has quite a few words to define the nuances of relation ships. "Puen" is a friend, "fan" is someone you love. "Gik" might be the most appropriate here.

[Buchholz]

Red leadership sold out long ago. Now its just an arse licking competition.

Yup - reportedly accepted THB200 million from Thaksin for his services in helping to torch Bangkok. In case you should ask, Phiphidon or GK, I can't substantiate this, but was told by a senior foreign correspondent

Tell your associate to be careful.

The Red Shirt insider who spilled the beans about the Red Shirt Leaders skimming off 68 million baht from donations began receiving threatening phone calls from Jatuporn....

.

[OzMick]

Had Thaksin stayed in Thailand and faced his charges, served what ever little time they would have given him, like the red shirts are doing now because of him, none of this would have happened.

The thing is then you'd have a Thaksin who served his time like a man so whatever Dick Dastardly-like plans he would supposedly have for Thailand would be done under the cover of "legitimacy" and not "fugitive ex-Prime Minister" If history followed itself then you'd have a legitimate PM in the shape of Yingluk without the excess baggage of the red shirts, 90 or whatever dead, compensation payouts, attempting to bring her brother home etc. There wouldn't even be that stick that the Dems etc could bash the current government with.

I'll always say that Thaksin was a product of the system. The system that allows so many to get away with so much. So many things in all aspects of Thai society that should have been nipped in the bud long ago ( shoddy driving, loads of people driving illegally in vehicles that back home would have been pulled by the cops in a jiffy, paying under the table for services, bent cops, cops as lynchmen, cops as hitmen, using murder as a business tool, the list goes on) simply haven't been and now unfortunately Thailand's paying the price for its complacency.

Interestingly, Thaksin would have been a bigger hero had he stayed in Thailand and went to jail. He would have been reelected PM and would probably still be PM. Even Hitler was arrested and sent to jail for a short time before he became the leader of Germany.

Godwins Law proved once again by the anti brigade...........

Thaksin prefers comparison to Nelson Mandela. But the only thing I see in common is a history of terrorism.

[Moruya]

The way Thaksin divorced his wife I doubt that he has "loyalty" to anyone.