Battery Jumper Pack

[dthomasss]

Anyone know where I can buy one in Pattaya? I have a 2009 Honda Jazz that has been driving me mad for a year and the mechanics cant figure it out.

The car starts fine from a cold start, but if I drive more than 25km and then turn of the engine (like buying petrol) it is dead when I try to restart it.. a few clicks and thats it. I have to use jumper cables to restart it and then it is fine again. The battery has been checked numerous times and is fine. Honda dealer has done electrical computer diagnosis and can't find anything wrong. Even though the car seems dead, everything else electrical is fine so they ruled out alternator etc. Clearly it has something to do with something being hot that is causing the problem, but I am at a dead end so I have decided the best move is to carry one of those battery jumper packs in the car, but I have no idea if and where they are sold here.

Any ideas?

[Semper]

Tesco, BigC etc.. should have them.

[dthomasss]

Tesco, BigC etc.. should have them.

I don't mean jumper cables. This is what I am looking for:

[Dork]

From your description, sounds like it could be the relay which is very cheap & easy to replace by yourself.

Likely that the dealer can't diagnose the fault because it is intermittent and not faulting at the time they plug it in. I would go to one of those small shophouse auto electrical shops. They won't use computer diagnosis but will know from experience what is wrong.

[transam]

How old is the battery ? It might read 12 Volts on a basic meter but be knacker-ed.

A simple test to see if the starter is at fault or a relay, is to locate the ''switching'' wire from ignition on the starter, small wire, disconnect, attach a wire to the battery + then touch the disconnected terminal with the other end of the live wire. If the starter spins, then it is the relay. If it doesn't it's the starter, if a fresh battery is used.

[dthomasss]

How old is the battery ? It might read 12 Volts on a basic meter but be knacker-ed.

A simple test to see if the starter is at fault or a relay, is to locate the ''switching'' wire from ignition on the starter, small wire, disconnect, attach a wire to the battery + then touch the disconnected terminal with the other end of the live wire. If the starter spins, then it is the relay. If it doesn't it's the starter, if a fresh battery is used.

Sadly I am brain dead when it comes to mechanical things. The starter relay makes sense, because when i jump start the car i can turn it off and start it again and the battery is not drained at all. Problem with going to a small shop and trying to explain a starter solenoid/relay sems daunting, and wouldn't they have to order the part from Honda?

[dthomasss]

From your description, sounds like it could be the relay which is very cheap & easy to replace by yourself.

Likely that the dealer can't diagnose the fault because it is intermittent and not faulting at the time they plug it in. I would go to one of those small shophouse auto electrical shops. They won't use computer diagnosis but will know from experience what is wrong.

If I could speak Thai that's exactly what I would do. I took a diagram of the relay and showed it to the one shop I know and they just tried to sell me a new starter for 4,800 baht...

[Dork]

From your description, sounds like it could be the relay which is very cheap & easy to replace by yourself.

Likely that the dealer can't diagnose the fault because it is intermittent and not faulting at the time they plug it in. I would go to one of those small shophouse auto electrical shops. They won't use computer diagnosis but will know from experience what is wrong.

If I could speak Thai that's exactly what I would do. I took a diagram of the relay and showed it to the one shop I know and they just tried to sell me a new starter for 4,800 baht...

As I recall, the Thai word for relay is relay (or maybe "leelay" will work better). Any generic relay will be ok - doesn't need to come from Honda and should cost almost nothing. Just guessing but maybe 100-200 Baht.

If you are in doubt about the condition of the battery, next time it faults switch the headlights on and try to start. If the headlights don't dim (from the current drain of the starter) then you will know for sure that the problem is elsewhere.

[Dork]

From your description, sounds like it could be the relay which is very cheap & easy to replace by yourself.

Likely that the dealer can't diagnose the fault because it is intermittent and not faulting at the time they plug it in. I would go to one of those small shophouse auto electrical shops. They won't use computer diagnosis but will know from experience what is wrong.

If I could speak Thai that's exactly what I would do. I took a diagram of the relay and showed it to the one shop I know and they just tried to sell me a new starter for 4,800 baht...

To be fair, it could well be the starter that is at fault. If you try Transam's suggestion, the result will give you a pretty good idea. THB4800 sounds pretty reasonable for a new starter. Cheers

[dthomasss]

From your description, sounds like it could be the relay which is very cheap & easy to replace by yourself.

Likely that the dealer can't diagnose the fault because it is intermittent and not faulting at the time they plug it in. I would go to one of those small shophouse auto electrical shops. They won't use computer diagnosis but will know from experience what is wrong.

If I could speak Thai that's exactly what I would do. I took a diagram of the relay and showed it to the one shop I know and they just tried to sell me a new starter for 4,800 baht...

To be fair, it could well be the starter that is at fault. If you try Transam's suggestion, the result will give you a pretty good idea. THB4800 sounds pretty reasonable for a new starter. Cheers

If anyone knows a shop that can install a starter relay, please let me know!

[stingray]

Tesco, BigC etc.. should have them.

Battery jumpers are sh.... You can use them for start a small motorbike, if you lucky. All chinese made, flashy colors and useless!

Therefore they are not really on sales.

Find the problem isn't to hard. Check Alternator (Voltage), Starter, connections, grounding wirings, etc.

[beano2274]

is there something this week on Ensogo.com about cars, maybe they will have what you are looking for on there.

[dthomasss]

Tesco, BigC etc.. should have them.

Battery jumpers are sh.... You can use them for start a small motorbike, if you lucky. All chinese made, flashy colors and useless!

Therefore they are not really on sales.

Find the problem isn't to hard. Check Alternator (Voltage), Starter, connections, grounding wirings, etc.

It is probably starter selonoid/relay.. i need to find a palce that can replace it

[VocalNeal]

next time you get a repeat of the problem turn the headlights on and see if they go dim when you try and start. If so the battery is faulty.

If not as has been said it is either the relay or the starter. The relay is cheaper so replace that first.

Not solved? New or rebuilt starter as the brushes are sticking. In the old days one had access to and enough space to tap the starter with a hammer.

Edit: Just a thought and non technical. Find the main fuse /relay box under the hood/bonnet. One by one remove and replace each fuse and relay. Contracts can get dirty and the act of removing/replacing cleans the contacts.

[dthomasss]

next time you get a repeat of the problem turn the headlights on and see if they go dim when you try and start. If so the battery is faulty.

If not as has been said it is either the relay or the starter. The relay is cheaper so replace that first.

Not solved? New or rebuilt starter as the brushes are sticking. In the old days one had access to and enough space to tap the starter with a hammer.

Edit: Just a thought and non technical. Find the main fuse /relay box under the hood/bonnet. One by one remove and replace each fuse and relay. Contracts can get dirty and the act of removing/replacing cleans the contacts.

Thanks. I want to replace the starter relay/solenoid but Honda dealer here says they will only replace the starter and their costs are high, so I am hoping someone can steer me to a shop that does electrical work. Someone mentioned N.K. Auto Service.

[VocalNeal]

next time you get a repeat of the problem turn the headlights on and see if they go dim when you try and start. If so the battery is faulty.

If not as has been said it is either the relay or the starter. The relay is cheaper so replace that first.

Not solved? New or rebuilt starter as the brushes are sticking. In the old days one had access to and enough space to tap the starter with a hammer.

Edit: Just a thought and non technical. Find the main fuse /relay box under the hood/bonnet. One by one remove and replace each fuse and relay. Contracts can get dirty and the act of removing/replacing cleans the contacts.

Thanks. I want to replace the starter relay/solenoid but Honda dealer here says they will only replace the starter and their costs are high, so I am hoping someone can steer me to a shop that does electrical work. Someone mentioned N.K. Auto Service.

I did a bit of surfing yesterday, Honda Jazz doesn't have a Bendix starter. What that means is there is a solenoid on the side of the starter that engages the starter gear and applies current at the same time. On a bendix starter the turning motion of the starter engages the gear.

here is the diagram.

So Honda are correct in as much as they cannot easily replace the solenoid. You will need to find a shop that will rebuild or maintain your starter.

As l see from the diagram there is one relay in the circuit which looks like it is there to stop the vehicle moving if the starter is engaged when the vehicle is in gear. So no stalling on the railway tracks . This means all that twaddle about removing replacing fuses and relays won't cure your problem.

Happy hunting for the repair shop.

[NanLaew]

Has the OP squandered time and money on relays starters and solenoids yet?

If that battery is the original from 2009, it's buggered. Replace it first.

Our 2009 CR-V is getting it's third battery tomorrow. My mates 2008 CR-V is on its third battery already and another buddies 2007 Fortuner is on the fourth battery.

[transam]

Has the OP squandered time and money on relays starters and solenoids yet?

If that battery is the original from 2009, it's buggered. Replace it first.

Our 2009 CR-V is getting it's third battery tomorrow. My mates 2008 CR-V is on its third battery already and another buddies 2007 Fortuner is on the fourth battery.

Think we told him that.

[David006]

Has the OP squandered time and money on relays starters and solenoids yet?

If that battery is the original from 2009, it's buggered. Replace it first.

Our 2009 CR-V is getting it's third battery tomorrow. My mates 2008 CR-V is on its third battery already and another buddies 2007 Fortuner is on the fourth battery.

Think we told him that.

just googled...seems it is could be a not uncommon problem with Honda...?

http://autorepair.about.com/od/enginetroubleshootin1/a/honda_hot_start.htm

[NanLaew]

Has the OP squandered time and money on relays starters and solenoids yet?

If that battery is the original from 2009, it's buggered. Replace it first.

Our 2009 CR-V is getting it's third battery tomorrow. My mates 2008 CR-V is on its third battery already and another buddies 2007 Fortuner is on the fourth battery.

Think we told him that.

To be honest, you did mention it first in post #5 and then you went technical and suggested a way to eliminate that starter or relay. The OP missed the battery bit and grabbed at the techy stuff and everyone else too. Static load testing of batteries doesn't work and if there's a heat-related issue, like a plate warping in the heat and shorting that cell out on the battery thus making it a pretty good 8V door stop. Batteries in Thailand are mostly <deleted> regardless of the motor they are in. Even in hot n' humid Houston, I could squeeze 3 years out of ANY battery, not just the factory fitted ones.

[NanLaew]

Has the OP squandered time and money on relays starters and solenoids yet?

If that battery is the original from 2009, it's buggered. Replace it first.

Our 2009 CR-V is getting it's third battery tomorrow. My mates 2008 CR-V is on its third battery already and another buddies 2007 Fortuner is on the fourth battery.

Think we told him that.

just googled...seems it is could be a not uncommon problem with Honda...?

http://autorepair.ab...a_hot_start.htm

All good stuff but both our CR-V batteries worked right up until the last start of the day but were both dead as maggot in the cool morning. The CR-V has been dead at the other house for 4 days now. I just went an jumpered it and it needed a few minutes of 'trickle' before it would turnover and fire up. Dropped off at dealer for an overdue service.... and a new battery,

There's a history of threads where the owner has already had the [insert motor manufacturer here] 'techs' do their 'testing' and can't find a problem. If everything else is working and tests good including the battery.... it's usually a bad battery.

[dthomasss]

Has the OP squandered time and money on relays starters and solenoids yet?

If that battery is the original from 2009, it's buggered. Replace it first.

Our 2009 CR-V is getting it's third battery tomorrow. My mates 2008 CR-V is on its third battery already and another buddies 2007 Fortuner is on the fourth battery.

Think we told him that.

just googled...seems it is could be a not uncommon problem with Honda...?

http://autorepair.ab...a_hot_start.htm

All good stuff but both our CR-V batteries worked right up until the last start of the day but were both dead as maggot in the cool morning. The CR-V has been dead at the other house for 4 days now. I just went an jumpered it and it needed a few minutes of 'trickle' before it would turnover and fire up. Dropped off at dealer for an overdue service.... and a new battery,

There's a history of threads where the owner has already had the [insert motor manufacturer here] 'techs' do their 'testing' and can't find a problem. If everything else is working and tests good including the battery.... it's usually a bad battery.

Help me understand something before I pay 2,000 baht for a battery. The car starts fine with short stop and starts. It only happens if I drive some distance (car is hot) and then stop to buy petrol and try to start it again. Then I sometimes just get a click but everything else electrical works. If I use jumper cables it starts right up. Isn;t that more indicative of starter relay or something other than battery?

[NanLaew]

Help me understand something before I pay 2,000 baht for a battery. The car starts fine with short stop and starts. It only happens if I drive some distance (car is hot) and then stop to buy petrol and try to start it again. Then I sometimes just get a click but everything else electrical works. If I use jumper cables it starts right up. Isn;t that more indicative of starter relay or something other than battery?

Battery = 2000 baht.

Starter = 4800 baht.

Solenoid = 6000 baht (?) since it comes integrated with other bits so may need to buy the other bits or pay extra for the solenoid to be separated.

I gave an example of battery plates shorting internally. I will also give an example of hairline cracks in the lead connectors and post hardware inside the case. All these are undetectable when the battery is static. Static means not being physically vibrated or electrically used.

Starting the engine requires huge torque which electrically draws huge amps of current and is the biggest instant electrical current drain on the battery. That's why it won't start but the rest of your lower amperage stuff like fans, lights and the rest don't have a problem.

Now, how old is the battery in your car?

PS. Honda charged me 2200 baht for a new battery yesterday and we don't have to worry if it's going to die any more. Not for a year anyway!

[dthomasss]

Help me understand something before I pay 2,000 baht for a battery. The car starts fine with short stop and starts. It only happens if I drive some distance (car is hot) and then stop to buy petrol and try to start it again. Then I sometimes just get a click but everything else electrical works. If I use jumper cables it starts right up. Isn;t that more indicative of starter relay or something other than battery?

Battery = 2000 baht.

Starter = 4800 baht.

Solenoid = 6000 baht (?) since it comes integrated with other bits so may need to buy the other bits or pay extra for the solenoid to be separated.

I gave an example of battery plates shorting internally. I will also give an example of hairline cracks in the lead connectors and post hardware inside the case. All these are undetectable when the battery is static. Static means not being physically vibrated or electrically used.

Starting the engine requires huge torque which electrically draws huge amps of current and is the biggest instant electrical current drain on the battery. That's why it won't start but the rest of your lower amperage stuff like fans, lights and the rest don't have a problem.

Now, how old is the battery in your car?

PS. Honda charged me 2200 baht for a new battery yesterday and we don't have to worry if it's going to die any more. Not for a year anyway!

It is the original battery (3 1/2 years old) but this began to happen more than a year ago. Like I said, it only happens if the car has been driven some distance and then I stop and start again quickly. It just gives a single click. But if I am just driving around town I can start and stop a dozen times a day with no problem...

[dthomasss]

Help me understand something before I pay 2,000 baht for a battery. The car starts fine with short stop and starts. It only happens if I drive some distance (car is hot) and then stop to buy petrol and try to start it again. Then I sometimes just get a click but everything else electrical works. If I use jumper cables it starts right up. Isn;t that more indicative of starter relay or something other than battery?

Battery = 2000 baht.

Starter = 4800 baht.

Solenoid = 6000 baht (?) since it comes integrated with other bits so may need to buy the other bits or pay extra for the solenoid to be separated.

I gave an example of battery plates shorting internally. I will also give an example of hairline cracks in the lead connectors and post hardware inside the case. All these are undetectable when the battery is static. Static means not being physically vibrated or electrically used.

Starting the engine requires huge torque which electrically draws huge amps of current and is the biggest instant electrical current drain on the battery. That's why it won't start but the rest of your lower amperage stuff like fans, lights and the rest don't have a problem.

Now, how old is the battery in your car?

PS. Honda charged me 2200 baht for a new battery yesterday and we don't have to worry if it's going to die any more. Not for a year anyway!

It is the original battery (3 1/2 years old) but this began to happen more than a year ago. Like I said, it only happens if the car has been driven some distance and then I stop and start again quickly. It just gives a single click. But if I am just driving around town I can start and stop a dozen times a day with no problem...

I went to a recommended mechanic today. Explained the problem and he told me to start the car and then he removed one of the battery cables. Not sure if he did anything else but he said, "It's the battery." So I have replaced the battery and I will hope for the best...

[transam]

Help me understand something before I pay 2,000 baht for a battery. The car starts fine with short stop and starts. It only happens if I drive some distance (car is hot) and then stop to buy petrol and try to start it again. Then I sometimes just get a click but everything else electrical works. If I use jumper cables it starts right up. Isn;t that more indicative of starter relay or something other than battery?

Battery = 2000 baht.

Starter = 4800 baht.

Solenoid = 6000 baht (?) since it comes integrated with other bits so may need to buy the other bits or pay extra for the solenoid to be separated.

I gave an example of battery plates shorting internally. I will also give an example of hairline cracks in the lead connectors and post hardware inside the case. All these are undetectable when the battery is static. Static means not being physically vibrated or electrically used.

Starting the engine requires huge torque which electrically draws huge amps of current and is the biggest instant electrical current drain on the battery. That's why it won't start but the rest of your lower amperage stuff like fans, lights and the rest don't have a problem.

Now, how old is the battery in your car?

PS. Honda charged me 2200 baht for a new battery yesterday and we don't have to worry if it's going to die any more. Not for a year anyway!

It is the original battery (3 1/2 years old) but this began to happen more than a year ago. Like I said, it only happens if the car has been driven some distance and then I stop and start again quickly. It just gives a single click. But if I am just driving around town I can start and stop a dozen times a day with no problem...

I went to a recommended mechanic today. Explained the problem and he told me to start the car and then he removed one of the battery cables. Not sure if he did anything else but he said, "It's the battery." So I have replaced the battery and I will hope for the best...

He did that to see if the alternator handled the electricity requirement without the battery, which it obviously did.

Battery.

[NanLaew]

At last!