Employment Of A 16 Year Old. Legit Business

[phl]

May be a silly question, but does anyone know what is the employment minimum age in Thailand?

I have a 16 year old apply for a job in hotel, but unsure if someone of this age can be employed

It is hotel work, but we do have a small bar, NOT a girl bar, but a bar for guest to have a drink

We do not have any service girls, or "hostess" so the 16 year old may be required time to time sell/serve drinks(but it is very very rare as the bar is pretty boring with no entertainment at all)

Any one with knowledge or perhaps links to Thai law?

[soi41]

On another thread about Thai landlords, you pretended to be a big shot legal expert an d here you are asking legal advice

[phl]

On another thread about Thai landlords, you pretended to be a big shot legal expert an d here you are asking legal advice

Landlord/property legal and employment legal are 2 VERY different matters and fields.

Not to know that, does make you qualified for the award of the biggest troll

PS. Also a good idea to look up the definition of "legal advice" because i certainly am not asking for legal advice, but rather asking for minimum age regulations.

[PattayaParent]

I think that the age for work in a bar is 20, same as the drinking laws?

I'd say if in doubt then don't take the risk.

[phl]

I think that the age for work in a bar is 20, same as the drinking laws?

I'd say if in doubt then don't take the risk.

You are correct about the bar, but its not a bar, it is a hotel, but does have a bar in the lobby. not pattaya style, but a standard hotel lounge bar

[soi41]

As I apart from being a troll, even have a nicer side to me: National legal minimum age for on-premise (serving) sales of alkoholic beverages, beer,wine,spirit are 20!

[geriatrickid]

My understanding is that the minor must not be anywhere near the bar, not even washing glasses or mopping the floor. All it takes is one person to make a complaint to the authorities and you have a hassle.

[yoshiwara]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

[thaicbr]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

On occasion when I have purchased alcohol at Tesco Lotus and the cashier has been underage they have always gotten another older sales assistants acknowledgement for purchase. As for bars the other fella is correct over 18 (is it a bar or restaurant license you have. If restaurant then different rules apply)

20 is the age for hostess

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[Theo007]

I think you will find that the legal age to work in a bar in any capacity is eighteen and twenty to drink in one.

[phl]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

Ohhh, i see thank you. So the minimum age for working in a place which does have alcohol is 18. Though she could work in reception, with supervision of an older employee and if she was not to serve or even carry any drinks it should be ok.

As i mentioned it is not a girly bar, just a hotel lobby bar.

Thank you again for that info.

Generally i would not even consider employing anyone younger than 22 in any position, but this girl presented her self better than some applicants with masters. Not to mention, she has an excellent English and computer skills

[phl]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

On occasion when I have purchased alcohol at Tesco Lotus and the cashier has been underage they have always gotten another older sales assistants acknowledgement for purchase. As for bars the other fella is correct over 18 (is it a bar or restaurant license you have. If restaurant then different rules apply)

20 is the age for hostess

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I have restaurant license, hotel license and license to sell alcohol.

[FritsSikkink]

Here you go:

http://www.mol.go.th/sites/default/files/images/jpg/01.pdf

[phl]

Here you go:

http://www.mol.go.th...ages/jpg/01.pdf

Thank you, that pretty much covered it all and made it clear to steer away from employing someone under 18 as it almost guarantees to be a problem one way or another.

cheers

[TommoPhysicist]

I think that the age for work in a bar is 20, same as the drinking laws?

I'd say if in doubt then don't take the risk.

Nope

18 to work in a bar (selling drinks)

20 to work in a place of prostitution (selling self)

20 to enter a bar as a customer.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts have been removed.

[BrianCR]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

Ohhh, i see thank you. So the minimum age for working in a place which does have alcohol is 18. Though she could work in reception, with supervision of an older employee and if she was not to serve or even carry any drinks it should be ok.

As i mentioned it is not a girly bar, just a hotel lobby bar.

Thank you again for that info.

Generally i would not even consider employing anyone younger than 22 in any position, but this girl presented her self better than some applicants with masters. Not to mention, she has an excellent English and computer skills

Girl? It was a 16 year old boy in your first post - have a sex change did he?

[phl]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

Ohhh, i see thank you. So the minimum age for working in a place which does have alcohol is 18. Though she could work in reception, with supervision of an older employee and if she was not to serve or even carry any drinks it should be ok.

As i mentioned it is not a girly bar, just a hotel lobby bar.

Thank you again for that info.

Generally i would not even consider employing anyone younger than 22 in any position, but this girl presented her self better than some applicants with masters. Not to mention, she has an excellent English and computer skills

Girl? It was a 16 year old boy in your first post - have a sex change did he?

i never said a boy, i think you misread somewhere

[oops]

Cmon man...go ahead yes it's OK to USE A CHILD IN A BAR. DAA If you put a girl behind a bar at the age of 16 when you know she should be in school is stupid

Not to mention you put the guys on the other side of the bar at risk for child molestation or some stupid charge the Americans come up with, then you make us all look bad.

Not to mention the fact that you might be putting her in harms way....ok if you want to use her after school at the front desk or cleaning rooms

but to even think about putting her in the bar

when there is so much BS going on from America and other western powers about underage girls in bars.....you have to be just joking with us right?

[BrianCR]

If the bar had its own separate entrance and there was no ambiguity re responsibilities then OK yes, but if the bar is an integral part of the hotel, even if the 16 year old only served soft drinks on occasion, you are opening yourself up to the risk of prosecution. It is the risk of prosecution that you primarily want to avoid and if the job description requires a new employee to on occasion serve customers drinks as part of their duties then you are better off hiring an older person over 20. Re the comment above re selling goods in 7-11 I am not sure if it is regarded as the same thing ie selling goods Vs serving drinks. See section 50 (4) of the labour Protection Act of 1998 below. Suppose the 16 year old was serving in the bar when it was occupied by male customers who were accompanied by 'hostesses' from elsewhere. Not necessarily guilty but a risk of prosecution.

Section 50. A boss shall be prohibited from permitting a child employee under the age of eighteen years to work in the following places:

• (1)An abattoir.
  
• (2)A casino.
  
• (3)A dance, folk dance or ronggeng hall.
  
• (4)A place which sells and provides food, alcohol, tea or other beverages, with hostesses to serve customers or with places for resting or sleeping or with massage services for customers.
  
• (5) 0ther places as prescribed in ministerial regulations.
  

Ohhh, i see thank you. So the minimum age for working in a place which does have alcohol is 18. Though she could work in reception, with supervision of an older employee and if she was not to serve or even carry any drinks it should be ok.

As i mentioned it is not a girly bar, just a hotel lobby bar.

Thank you again for that info.

Generally i would not even consider employing anyone younger than 22 in any position, but this girl presented her self better than some applicants with masters. Not to mention, she has an excellent English and computer skills

Girl? It was a 16 year old boy in your first post - have a sex change did he?

i never said a boy, i think you misread somewhere

Your post?

I have a 16 year old apply for a job in hotel, but unsure if someone of this age can be employed

Sorry my mistake I read this for his

[phl]

Your post?

I have a 16 year old apply for a job in hotel, but unsure if someone of this age can be employed

Sorry my mistake I read this for his

[phl]

Cmon man...go ahead yes it's OK to USE A CHILD IN A BAR. DAA If you put a girl behind a bar at the age of 16 when you know she should be in school is stupid

Not to mention you put the guys on the other side of the bar at risk for child molestation or some stupid charge the Americans come up with, then you make us all look bad.

Not to mention the fact that you might be putting her in harms way....ok if you want to use her after school at the front desk or cleaning rooms

but to even think about putting her in the bar

when there is so much BS going on from America and other western powers about underage girls in bars.....you have to be just joking with us right?

May i politely suggest you learn how to read before you post nonsense and make a fool out of yourself.

Not to mention if you do not have anything topic related, but your personal opinion on the matter, you do come across as a troll

Just a friendly suggestion