rickthailand Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 The Dutch are skating on very thin ice now. They will have to get at least a draw against Germany. Van Persie was very poor today. they had so many chances but if it doesnt go in what does it matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Such a good team when you look at the individuals IMO the big problem you have came out last night When the Dutch go behind, Robben decides he wants to be the hero and he forgets how to pass the ball. It happens all the time with him even when playing for Bayern. His team goes behind, he forgets how to pass, he goes to the side, tries to dribble back into the middle and he shoots .................. way wide too often Happened v Chelsea and happen again last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Spot on there luckylew. Still it was a clear penalty at the end. Well done to the Danish defence, and the keeper in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 The Dutch are skating on very thin ice now. They will have to get at least a draw against Germany. Van Persie was very poor today. Actually I could see Germany winning all their games and the others all getting 3 points - in which case Netherlands could qualify on goal difference (or whatever the criteria is) without getting any points from Germany. Works if Netherlands beats Portugal and Portugal beats Denmark and Germany beats Denmark. Each of those scenarios individually sound the most likely result, but football never works like that of course. Pedant Kantharalak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG16 Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 We weren't very sharp at the front. Lots of chances and nearly but... And yes about Robben. I was ready to strangle him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Doesn't look like this threads going to run for long! Last couple of times i've watched Robben play he's looks like a total liability. The guy just isn't a team player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abrak Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The Dutch are skating on very thin ice now. They will have to get at least a draw against Germany. Van Persie was very poor today. Actually I could see Germany winning all their games and the others all getting 3 points - in which case Netherlands could qualify on goal difference (or whatever the criteria is) without getting any points from Germany. Works if Netherlands beats Portugal and Portugal beats Denmark and Germany beats Denmark. Each of those scenarios individually sound the most likely result, but football never works like that of course. Pedant Kantharalak The rules of qualification are quite complicated but head to head takes first priority. So, on that basis, Denmark only really need a draw tonight to force Holland to need a win against Germany to qualify. In any case, it should be a cracking match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The Dutch are skating on very thin ice now. They will have to get at least a draw against Germany. Van Persie was very poor today. Actually I could see Germany winning all their games and the others all getting 3 points - in which case Netherlands could qualify on goal difference (or whatever the criteria is) without getting any points from Germany. Works if Netherlands beats Portugal and Portugal beats Denmark and Germany beats Denmark. Each of those scenarios individually sound the most likely result, but football never works like that of course. Pedant Kantharalak The rules of qualification are quite complicated but head to head takes first priority. So, on that basis, Denmark only really need a draw tonight to force Holland to need a win against Germany to qualify. In any case, it should be a cracking match. Interesting (to geeks like us). I looked up the competition rules. We are both wrong I think Head to head (the first criteria to look to in a level points situation) means that you look to the result only of the teams on level points, so if Denmark had drawn against Portugal, Holland would have only needed a draw against Germany and a win against Denmark. If Germany end on 9 and all others on 3 - as looks increasingly likely as I write at half time in the Germany v Holland game - then none of the three level teams will have gone through using the first head to head criteria and you would then look to the second criteria - goal difference. As I read the competition rules ("superior goal difference in the matches among the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal on points)"), only the goals scored between the three runners up would figure in the goal difference calculation, so Holland could be trounced by Germany and still go through if they achieve a higher goal difference than the Danes and Portugese, counting only the matches between the three of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 That would be what I understand as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) The Dutch are dead if Germany soft peddle to a draw against Denmark in some deal to get both teams through with a chance to rest the heavy guns, or (more likely) in an on-pitch decision by both teams to avoid banging heads in the later stages. Somehow I can't see that being in the German mentality. If Germany play to win against Denmark the Dutch are very much still in it - perhaps the press have not focussed on the competition rules. Edited June 14, 2012 by SantiSuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Holland weren't bad...the German keeper had a good game I thought. If they are to qualify they need to dtart taking more of their chances and get players forward quicker. Lethargic on the whole so far I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophon Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Interesting (to geeks like us). I looked up the competition rules. We are both wrong I think Head to head (the first criteria to look to in a level points situation) means that you look to the result only of the teams on level points, so if Denmark had drawn against Portugal, Holland would have only needed a draw against Germany and a win against Denmark. But since Holland is meeting Portugal and not Denmark in the last round (they have already lost to Denmark), had Denmark drawn against Portugal a draw for Holland against Germany would have done them no good. But all that is academic now. Holland will probably need a two goal win against portugal and hope that Denmark don't get a draw or better against Germany in the last match. Sophon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 The Dutch are dead if Germany soft peddle to a draw against Denmark in some deal to get both teams through with a chance to rest the heavy guns, or (more likely) in an on-pitch decision by both teams to avoid banging heads in the later stages. Somehow I can't see that being in the German mentality. If Germany play to win against Denmark the Dutch are very much still in it - perhaps the press have not focussed on the competition rules. in italy they call that a 'biscotto', where both teams have an understanding about the result of the match. think germany have form in that regard don't they? '82 world cup? albeit they were west germany then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG16 Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Last chance. If we don't win this one, then I guess I can have early nights for the next couple of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Last chance. If we don't win this one, then I guess I can have early nights for the next couple of weeks Best of luck migsy....I think you'll need it against the Portuguese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Interesting (to geeks like us). I looked up the competition rules. We are both wrong I think Head to head (the first criteria to look to in a level points situation) means that you look to the result only of the teams on level points, so if Denmark had drawn against Portugal, Holland would have only needed a draw against Germany and a win against Denmark. But since Holland is meeting Portugal and not Denmark in the last round (they have already lost to Denmark), had Denmark drawn against Portugal a draw for Holland against Germany would have done them no good. But all that is academic now. Holland will probably need a two goal win against portugal and hope that Denmark don't get a draw or better against Germany in the last match. Sophon Well it went like this. Germany 2 Denmark 1. Portugal 2 Holland 1. Sent from my GT-N7000 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardholder Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 A pale shadow of the Dutch Masters of the past. Good to see Ronaldo finally hitting good form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Bloody miss Ronaldo !!! two well taken goals and back on form and Nani was excellent too, have to fancy Portugal after that performance. The Dutch well what can you say out without a win with all those stars in the team. but to be fair they was in the hardest group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 dear ronaldo, please enjoy the freedom of the pitch and just attack as you like, we won't bother trying to defend against you or mark you or anything. yours, the dutch team. shocking stuff from the oranje really. proper basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I wonder which way the Chinese and Malaysian big money was being bet prior to the tournament. The Dutch were so bad I suspect match fixing! Their midfield (VdV excepted) did not show up last night so the ball rarely reached the strikers. When the midfield (Van Der Vaert, Scneider and Robben) got the ball they took it up front and had a shot themselves - greedy ba$tards. Wesley Schneider - most disappointing player of the tournament. For years to come coaches will be using videos of the Dutch series of 3 games to demonstrate what happens when great individual players lose their sense of team-play. The Portugese have been very good at the back and middle all tournament - most impressed by their back 4 (Pepe you expect but Alves was great too). Mereles has been immense in midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 heard a think this morning which was surprising and interesting - the holland team last night had players from eleven different clubs in it. so no club partnerships, relationships at all etc. which has got to impact on your fluidity and cohesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I wonder which way the Chinese and Malaysian big money was being bet prior to the tournament. The Dutch were so bad I suspect match fixing! Their midfield (VdV excepted) did not show up last night so the ball rarely reached the strikers. When the midfield (Van Der Vaert, Scneider and Robben) got the ball they took it up front and had a shot themselves - greedy ba$tards. Wesley Schneider - most disappointing player of the tournament. For years to come coaches will be using videos of the Dutch series of 3 games to demonstrate what happens when great individual players lose their sense of team-play. The Portugese have been very good at the back and middle all tournament - most impressed by their back 4 (Pepe you expect but Alves was great too). Mereles has been immense in midfield Wesley S and the diver are classic examples of footballer mercenaries that play for themselves, their ego's and their bank balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuddle Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 For me, the difference between this Dutch team and the one that got to the World Cup final, is the absence of Van Bronkhurst. He was outstanding a couple of years ago, and offered the team much greater options in wide positions. His work rate, passing and leadership have been sorely missed at international level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRed Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Last chance. If we don't win this one, then I guess I can have early nights for the next couple of weeks Console yourself with sleep migsy....on a plus i don't thin RVP did himself any favours either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Last chance. If we don't win this one, then I guess I can have early nights for the next couple of weeks Console yourself with sleep migsy....on a plus i don't thin RVP did himself any favours either. Of the potential stars that he was i reckon him the biggest disappointment of the tournament so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Last chance. If we don't win this one, then I guess I can have early nights for the next couple of weeks Console yourself with sleep migsy....on a plus i don't thin RVP did himself any favours either. Of the potential stars that he was i reckon him the biggest disappointment of the tournament so far On the grounds he was a slightly bigger star than Wesley Schneider I have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Good consistent performances from the Dutch team so far. No wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Good consistent performances from the Dutch team so far. No wait.... Played 3, lost 3. Fairly consistent to me smokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Good consistent performances from the Dutch team so far. No wait.... Played 3, lost 3. Fairly consistent to me smokes You have to search out the positives mrboj...that took me ages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abrak Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Good consistent performances from the Dutch team so far. No wait.... Played 3, lost 3. Fairly consistent to me smokes You have to search out the positives mrboj...that took me ages! Yeah must be difficult for you, Smokie.... I see that Craig Thomson is slipping in the betting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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