Getting Spam For Cm15K Baht Course, "You Can Read Thai In 20 Hours," Course From One "Gary Orman" ?

[cm das]

In my view just because something is a nuisance doesn't mean it should be illegal.

[CMSteve]

No, I think most people would agree that a small nuisance can be livable, but if a certain level of nuisance is met it should/can be illegal. As most of us come from countries with laws against spam and speaker vans, we expect that level to have been met. I honestly don't know what the laws are around speaker vans and spam in Thailand, but hope they are beefed up a bit....

In my view just because something is a nuisance doesn't mean it should be illegal.

Edited June 1, 2012 by CMSteve

[Gorman]

Gorman obviously doesn't understand the difference between paid advertising and spam. He also thinks bad publicity is good.

Maybe he'll understand if we (those of us who don't like spam) boycott his service and tell everyone we know to do the same.

No, I said no publicity is bad publicity.

Would you prefer email advertising or speaker van advertising?

You should talk to the many Facebook shareholders about that. The fact that the share is dropping and the publicity that follows has caused the share to drop even more. Bad publicity with a bad consequence.

And when it comes to spam vs speaker wan. If you asked people what they would prefer, to get shot in the head or stabbed in the heart, you would get the same answer from 99,9% Neither. Which is why both types of assault and marketing is illegal many places in the world, do people doesn't have to make a choice that is obviously illogical.

So now you're comparing advertising to getting shot in the head or heart. Your argument appears to be weakening.

[funcat]

Gorman obviously doesn't understand the difference between paid advertising and spam. He also thinks bad publicity is good.

Maybe he'll understand if we (those of us who don't like spam) boycott his service and tell everyone we know to do the same.

No, I said no publicity is bad publicity.

Would you prefer email advertising or speaker van advertising?

You should talk to the many Facebook shareholders about that. The fact that the share is dropping and the publicity that follows has caused the share to drop even more. Bad publicity with a bad consequence.

And when it comes to spam vs speaker wan. If you asked people what they would prefer, to get shot in the head or stabbed in the heart, you would get the same answer from 99,9% Neither. Which is why both types of assault and marketing is illegal many places in the world, do people doesn't have to make a choice that is obviously illogical.

So now you're comparing advertising to getting shot in the head or heart. Your argument appears to be weakening.

Well,Mr Orman you don't have any argument here...you're a spammer...and again,please take my name of your list!!

[AndersSN]

Gorman obviously doesn't understand the difference between paid advertising and spam. He also thinks bad publicity is good.

Maybe he'll understand if we (those of us who don't like spam) boycott his service and tell everyone we know to do the same.

No, I said no publicity is bad publicity.

Would you prefer email advertising or speaker van advertising?

You should talk to the many Facebook shareholders about that. The fact that the share is dropping and the publicity that follows has caused the share to drop even more. Bad publicity with a bad consequence.

And when it comes to spam vs speaker wan. If you asked people what they would prefer, to get shot in the head or stabbed in the heart, you would get the same answer from 99,9% Neither. Which is why both types of assault and marketing is illegal many places in the world, do people doesn't have to make a choice that is obviously illogical.

So now you're comparing advertising to getting shot in the head or heart. Your argument appears to be weakening.

I hope you are being willfully ignorant. Because if you are not, you are making yourself look foolish.

But just in case you are not, here is what I did: I did not compare the seriousness of the two kinds of potential criminal activity, I displayed the faults in your question by posing a hyperthitical question that included the same dilemma of supplying two equally undesirable (albeit, I admit, extreme) possibilities that no normal person would see a point in choosing between.

[el jefe]

Gorman obviously doesn't understand the difference between paid advertising and spam. He also thinks bad publicity is good.

Maybe he'll understand if we (those of us who don't like spam) boycott his service and tell everyone we know to do the same.

No, I said no publicity is bad publicity.

Would you prefer email advertising or speaker van advertising?

And I would think that bad publicity is bad for any business.

Is spam vs speaker van my only choice?

I have a question for you then and I'll give you more choices.

Where should we go to learn Thai -- AUA, YMCA, Pro Language, or Payap?

[jamesbrock]

Most proper internet marketers will employ a double opt in method for their customer base, whereby an intended recipient will have to physically enter their email address and then click on a confirmation link; they will also include a one-click opt out (or unsubscribe) link in their personalised emails.

Hacks will buy lists (often from other hacks) and send out bulk unsolicited crap, and try to justify their complaints with inane arguments.

Which would you rather do business with?

[funcat]

I would say that this kind of free advertizing on the forum should be banned...just the name of this topic says it all...if you did not get the spam mail,you would know about it by now

[jamesbrock]

I doubt anybody reading this thread would be rushing to try out the services being written about!

[daoyai]

I actually think the system advertised may work for some, I remember some early adverts, the turtle picture to illustrate the "T" sound and the infamous ahh graphic....well those stuck in my head after one look. (please NO spam)

[Gorman]

I would say that this kind of free advertizing on the forum should be banned...just the name of this topic says it all...if you did not get the spam mail,you would know about it by now

now free publicity certainly is not bad publicity

[Gorman]

Gorman obviously doesn't understand the difference between paid advertising and spam. He also thinks bad publicity is good.

Maybe he'll understand if we (those of us who don't like spam) boycott his service and tell everyone we know to do the same.

No, I said no publicity is bad publicity.

Would you prefer email advertising or speaker van advertising?

And I would think that bad publicity is bad for any business.

Is spam vs speaker van my only choice?

I have a question for you then and I'll give you more choices.

Where should we go to learn Thai -- AUA, YMCA, Pro Language, or Payap?

Can those places teach you how to read Thai in 20 hours? possibly but I doubt it.

[funcat]

I would say that this kind of free advertizing on the forum should be banned...just the name of this topic says it all...if you did not get the spam mail,you would know about it by now

now free publicity certainly is not bad publicity

...well,I don't know...you are certainly getting bad publicity here...

[Gonzo the Face]

Mr. Gorman, I would submit that your mental aspect of your marketing program approach leaves much to be desired.

By intention or by accident you seem to have hit a very negative nerve in many posters hereon. An old saying comes to mind, "chop your nose off to spite your face ". I would again submit , that if someone wanted to truly and positively promote ones program, and seeing the hornets nest stirred up by your spam, probably mostly accidentally, I certainly would not continue so dogmatically trying to defend the very thing that most upsets your potential customers. Two. more positive approaches, from the spammers that initiated the problem, would be maybe an apology for having upset so many and suggest ways for them to remove themselves from your mailing list, or number two , and probably less desirable, just allow it to fade away by saying nothing at all.

Positive marketing of your product sez the last thing you should be doing in trying to defend your program and continue to argue your program in trying to convert and/or justify, the very thing that those you are arguing with have already condemned you for...... Which brings to mind another saying........ the best you can hope for is to "win the battle and loose the war.

Edited June 2, 2012 by Gonzo the Face

[Gorman]

Mr. Gorman, I would submit that your mental aspect of your marketing program approach leaves much to be desired.

By intention or by accident you seem to have hit a very negative nerve in many posters hereon. An old saying comes to mind, "chop your nose off to spite your face ". I would again submit , that if someone wanted to truly and positively promote ones program, and seeing the hornets nest stirred up by your spam, probably mostly accidentally, I certainly would not continue so dogmatically trying to defend the very thing that most upsets your potential customers. Two. more positive approaches, from the spammers that initiated the problem, would be maybe an apology for having upset so many and suggest ways for them to remove themselves from your mailing list, or number two , and probably less desirable, just allow it to fade away by saying nothing at all.

Positive marketing of your product sez the last thing you should be doing in trying to defend your program and continue to argue your program in trying to convert and/or justify, the very thing that those you are arguing with have already condemned you for...... Which brings to mind another saying........ the best you can hope for is to "win the battle and loose the war.

I like those sayings, I really do. I know one too "the pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind.

You're criticizing advertisement by email, what about when certain people such as yourself advertise their company/restaurants/services on this forum?

If you don't want to read email advertisement you don't open the email, and if I don't want to read your advertisement/announcement about your restaurant (which, to be honest, is always the case) I don't open your threads.

[Maejo Man]

There's a rather quaint expression that says quit while you are ahead, you just seem to be digging yourself in deeper

[jamesbrock]

Mr. Gorman, I would submit that your mental aspect of your marketing program approach leaves much to be desired.

By intention or by accident you seem to have hit a very negative nerve in many posters hereon. An old saying comes to mind, "chop your nose off to spite your face ". I would again submit , that if someone wanted to truly and positively promote ones program, and seeing the hornets nest stirred up by your spam, probably mostly accidentally, I certainly would not continue so dogmatically trying to defend the very thing that most upsets your potential customers. Two. more positive approaches, from the spammers that initiated the problem, would be maybe an apology for having upset so many and suggest ways for them to remove themselves from your mailing list, or number two , and probably less desirable, just allow it to fade away by saying nothing at all.

Positive marketing of your product sez the last thing you should be doing in trying to defend your program and continue to argue your program in trying to convert and/or justify, the very thing that those you are arguing with have already condemned you for...... Which brings to mind another saying........ the best you can hope for is to "win the battle and loose the war.

Very sage words, and very well put. Sadly, you're just going to be ignored - no matter who true your words are...

[harrry]

Mr. Gorman, I would submit that your mental aspect of your marketing program approach leaves much to be desired.

By intention or by accident you seem to have hit a very negative nerve in many posters hereon. An old saying comes to mind, "chop your nose off to spite your face ". I would again submit , that if someone wanted to truly and positively promote ones program, and seeing the hornets nest stirred up by your spam, probably mostly accidentally, I certainly would not continue so dogmatically trying to defend the very thing that most upsets your potential customers. Two. more positive approaches, from the spammers that initiated the problem, would be maybe an apology for having upset so many and suggest ways for them to remove themselves from your mailing list, or number two , and probably less desirable, just allow it to fade away by saying nothing at all.

Positive marketing of your product sez the last thing you should be doing in trying to defend your program and continue to argue your program in trying to convert and/or justify, the very thing that those you are arguing with have already condemned you for...... Which brings to mind another saying........ the best you can hope for is to "win the battle and loose the war.

I like those sayings, I really do. I know one too "the pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind.

You're criticizing advertisement by email, what about when certain people such as yourself advertise their company/restaurants/services on this forum?

If you don't want to read email advertisement you don't open the email, and if I don't want to read your advertisement/announcement about your restaurant (which, to be honest, is always the case) I don't open your threads.

Gonzo pays for that privlege. You just steal our bandwidth.

Edited June 2, 2012 by harrry

[el jefe]

Mr. Gorman, I would submit that your mental aspect of your marketing program approach leaves much to be desired.

By intention or by accident you seem to have hit a very negative nerve in many posters hereon. An old saying comes to mind, "chop your nose off to spite your face ". I would again submit , that if someone wanted to truly and positively promote ones program, and seeing the hornets nest stirred up by your spam, probably mostly accidentally, I certainly would not continue so dogmatically trying to defend the very thing that most upsets your potential customers. Two. more positive approaches, from the spammers that initiated the problem, would be maybe an apology for having upset so many and suggest ways for them to remove themselves from your mailing list, or number two , and probably less desirable, just allow it to fade away by saying nothing at all.

Positive marketing of your product sez the last thing you should be doing in trying to defend your program and continue to argue your program in trying to convert and/or justify, the very thing that those you are arguing with have already condemned you for...... Which brings to mind another saying........ the best you can hope for is to "win the battle and loose the war.

I like those sayings, I really do. I know one too "the pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind.

You're criticizing advertisement by email, what about when certain people such as yourself advertise their company/restaurants/services on this forum?

If you don't want to read email advertisement you don't open the email, and if I don't want to read your advertisement/announcement about your restaurant (which, to be honest, is always the case) I don't open your threads.

Gonzo pays for that privlege. You just steal our bandwidth.

Not only does Gonzo pay for the privelidge to post here, it's his advertising (and all the others) that pays for TV. Gorman, you're just too cheap to pay. Yours is not a better way to get "free" publicity.

[Thailand]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

[Gorman]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

[Gonzo the Face]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

perhaps for Spamming

[Gorman]

Mr. Gorman, I would submit that your mental aspect of your marketing program approach leaves much to be desired.

By intention or by accident you seem to have hit a very negative nerve in many posters hereon. An old saying comes to mind, "chop your nose off to spite your face ". I would again submit , that if someone wanted to truly and positively promote ones program, and seeing the hornets nest stirred up by your spam, probably mostly accidentally, I certainly would not continue so dogmatically trying to defend the very thing that most upsets your potential customers. Two. more positive approaches, from the spammers that initiated the problem, would be maybe an apology for having upset so many and suggest ways for them to remove themselves from your mailing list, or number two , and probably less desirable, just allow it to fade away by saying nothing at all.

Positive marketing of your product sez the last thing you should be doing in trying to defend your program and continue to argue your program in trying to convert and/or justify, the very thing that those you are arguing with have already condemned you for...... Which brings to mind another saying........ the best you can hope for is to "win the battle and loose the war.

I like those sayings, I really do. I know one too "the pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind.

You're criticizing advertisement by email, what about when certain people such as yourself advertise their company/restaurants/services on this forum?

If you don't want to read email advertisement you don't open the email, and if I don't want to read your advertisement/announcement about your restaurant (which, to be honest, is always the case) I don't open your threads.

Gonzo pays for that privlege. You just steal our bandwidth.

Not only does Gonzo pay for the privelidge to post here, it's his advertising (and all the others) that pays for TV. Gorman, you're just too cheap to pay. Yours is not a better way to get "free" publicity.

I appreciate the fact that gonzo pays for the privilege, and I suppose we should say thank you to him for paying for us so we can use Thaivisa, so thank you gonzo. But that still doesn't change that fact that his advertisements are the same as email advertising, and the same principles apply; if you don't want to read it, don't open it. Simple.

[Thailand]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

Really?

genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

[harrry]

So like many spammers honesty is definitely not one of his strong suits.

[Gorman]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

Really?

http://www.thaivisa....-thai-in-a-day/

genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

no idea who that is

[Maejo Man]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

Really?

http://www.thaivisa....-thai-in-a-day/

genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

no idea who that is

So basically there is another person with the same name that has the same credentials and looks like you?

You were banned once and it's high time you were banned again!!!

Is this you or not? ..genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

Edited June 3, 2012 by Maejo Man

[jamesbrock]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

Really?

http://www.thaivisa....-thai-in-a-day/

genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

no idea who that is

So, you, Gorman (Gary Orman) have know idea who the banned poster genggwaa (Gary Orman) is??

Click the link in the opening post and say that again.

Edited June 3, 2012 by jamesbrock

[Thailand]

Mr Orman, any relationship with banned TV member genggwaa?

honestly no idea who that is, why were they banned?

Really?

http://www.thaivisa....-thai-in-a-day/

genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

no idea who that is

It was from a response to the learnthaionline.com thread I posted.

"Gary Orman, is a memory specialist in applied thinking and accelerated learning

Genggwaa Co Ltd - Smarter, not harder!"

"genggwaa

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Posted 2009-04-11 02:41:43

I've just come across these comments about me and my Read Thai course and I think it's worth righting a few misconceptions."

I guess somebody has been impersonating you or using your website name as a forum name to comment about teaching Thai etc?

[jamesbrock]

Is this you or not? ..genggwaa.com/html/profile.html

No no! It's a coincidence! At least I believe him - after all, he did say he honestly has no idea who that is!

Honestly...