Thaksin Billionaire Before Entering Politics: Noppadon

[MikeOboe57]

Are those the official figures from the NACC or a table pulled off of an Anti Thaksin Blog? I think you know the answer. Still lets say they are the same as the official NACC figures. Strangely enough the figures correspond with what Noppodon said in the OP so what's your point?

Now we only have to fit in Thaksin's statement:

"I had 86 billion baht worth of assets before I entered politics, but they stole 46 billion from me,"

But I'm sure you have an explanation for that.

According to the OP Noppodon said that in 1994 Thaksin had 60 Billion baht in assets and in 1997 this had dropped to 24 Biilion because of bad investments or whatever. Now why is there not a chance that Thaksin had 86 billion baht of assets before 1994? Then he would be correct in saying he had 86 billion worth of assets before entering politics. Simple.

Personally, though this could have happened, I feel it more likely that as this statement was made at a phone in to a rally he was just bragging about his wealth to make a point - it's not as if the phone in was made under oath was it?

Of course, any excuse to rage at the evil thaksin can never be missed by the usual suspects, can it?

I'm impressed. I never thought you would come up with an explanation for all those contradicting figures. So your beloved Thaksin just pulled them out of his axx to impress his redshirts. What a lame and pathetic excuse.

[rixalex]

Personally, though this could have happened, I feel it more likely that as this statement was made at a phone in to a rally he was just bragging about his wealth to make a point - it's not as if the phone in was made under oath was it?

Make a point? What point would that be? That he is full of <deleted>?

[metisdead]

Nonsense posts discussing the posting habits of other members have been removed as well as the replies.

[Thaddeus]

And if I may add to this.... all the typos as well as calculator finger problems with the Nation have made it a laughing stock over the years!!!!!

I agree, the typos and grammatical errors contained within are inexcusable considering the resources that they could draw on.

But this isn't about a newspaper is it, no matter how hard you try to draw attention away from the subject.

Thad, wasn't my intention of drawing away from the issue.... The fact of the matter is that the Nation appears to be very biased towards a certain group or party and that the paper has been incorrect with BILLIONS of baht before.

Sorry Scott, I missed this because of a load of irrelevant waffle.

I agree, I doubt that there are many, if any, news sources be they in print or broadcast that don't have some level of bias on a whole range of subjects.

And, yep, The Nation has got numbers wrong from time to time, but in this particular piece of political shenanigans they are not the only ones bandying these numbers around.

[pauljones]

You can tell here, who reads The Nation(and believes it) and who reads the banned stuff online.

[Moruya]

You can tell here, who reads The Nation(and believes it) and who reads the banned stuff online.

Banned Stuff?

[Moruya]

Down and out in Dubai

Once I lived the life of a billionaire,

Stole Thailand’s money, I just did not care.

Took all my friends out for a good time,

Made all my family rich, avoided my fines.

Then I began to fall so low,

Lost my job, I did not have nowhere to go.

I get my hands on a gov’ment again,

I'm gonna hang on to it till Chalerm grins.

Cause no, no, nobody knows you

When you're down and out.

In your pocket, not one penny,

And as for friends, you don't have any.

When you finally get back up on your feet again,

Red Shirts all want to be your long-lost friend.

Said it's mighty strange, without a doubt,

Nobody knows you when you're down and out.

[Buchholz]

You can tell here, who reads The Nation(and believes it) and who reads the banned stuff online.

As a reader of the banned stuff, I'm finding that there is more and more of it after Pheu Thai Party instituted their Internet War Room, headed by Free Speech Advocate Chalerm.

[animatic]

He has all the believability of Bernie Madoff, with not even a fraction of the style.

[slapout]

Are those the official figures from the NACC or a table pulled off of an Anti Thaksin Blog? I think you know the answer. Still lets say they are the same as the official NACC figures. Strangely enough the figures correspond with what Noppodon said in the OP so what's your point?

Now we only have to fit in Thaksin's statement:

"I had 86 billion baht worth of assets before I entered politics, but they stole 46 billion from me,"

But I'm sure you have an explanation for that.

According to the OP Noppodon said that in 1994 Thaksin had 60 Billion baht in assets and in 1997 this had dropped to 24 Biilion because of bad investments or whatever. Now why is there not a chance that Thaksin had 86 billion baht of assets before 1994? Then he would be correct in saying he had 86 billion worth of assets before entering politics. Simple.

Personally, though this could have happened, I feel it more likely that as this statement was made at a phone in to a rally he was just bragging about his wealth to make a point - it's not as if the phone in was made under oath was it?

Of course, any excuse to rage at the evil thaksin can never be missed by the usual suspects, can it?

You might want to google the Forbes lists to get a perspective of the time frame and amounts being thrown about for Thaksin's fortune or lack thereof. Both Thaksin and his legal mouth have proved again, You need a good memory to not get caught telling porkies.Besides having bad memory, they seem unable to do research just to verify, their statements could be believable.

[whybother]

You can tell here, who reads The Nation(and believes it) and who reads the banned stuff online.

If you're only reading the "banned stuff online" then that explains why you post what you do.

You should look for a wider range of reading material to get a better view of the situation.

Sent from my shoe phone

[bigbamboo]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Another Thaksin apologist

Pauljones - just prior to Thaksin's trial, his lawyer, a certain Mister Noppadon, said that his client's asset declaration of a few measly tens of millions of dollars should be audited to prove that he was telling the truth.

Now the same lawyer is saying "well, you know pee nong, Thaksin was a billionaire all along"

Which Noppadon do you believe?

Which Thaksin do you believe?

That's the problem with Thaksin, he has proved he is willing to lie to suit his purpose so who knows whether he lied before or is lying now. Noppadon is a lawyer and is paid a lot of money to be deceptive and therefore nothing he says carries any weight.

[rubl]

Rumour had it that when k. Thaksin and his then-wife left for Bejing to watch the games, they not only had an awfull lot of (unchecked) suitcases for such a short trip, but even had permission for it. Probably under the motto 'good riddance'. No credit here, only debit to the country. The US$ 300,000 or so bond lost for bail jumping was most likely only a pittence, pocket money, or loose change.

So, a bail jumper, a smuggler, a liar, admired by some because of that. A modern day Robin Hood, imagine

Rumour has it indeed, just about as believable as this from a forum known for it's exceptional knowledge of thai politics and football

2007: http://www.big-football-forum.co.uk/bff/viewtopic.php?style=1&f=1&t=1647&p=41674

I tend to believe this version of events posted by George back in the day on TVF

Posted 2006-09-25 16:23:31 http://www.thaivisa....s/page__st__150

dear PPD, the Games in Bejing were in 2008

2006: http://bvi-grey-area.offshore-journals.com/generals-looking-for-thaksin%E2%80%99s-cash-17.html

2008: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/11/thailand

BTW I removed the quote tags and quoted text, but left the links. Sorry, too many quotes. Hope it still expresses your intention

[indyuk]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Thaksin's removal from office was patently unlawful by western standards where such a matter would have been dealt with by impeachment, but only if the available evidence was profoundly damming enough for a conviction to be achieved.

Paul's overview of Thaksin's financial achievements over two decades is much closer to reality than the other contributor's ill informed and prejudicial contributions.

Further I remind all that there is negligible evidence against Thaksin other than that of the misdemeanor for which he is roundly punished already.

Thaksin's conviction and sentencing are real enough yet such a punitive sentence of a two year prison term plus a 47 Billion Baht fine is not appropriate for said misdemeanor.

Edited June 20, 2012 by indyuk

[rubl]

I actually give him credit if he hid his money from the Army/courts.

Smart move for sure when the tanks are always warmed up ready to go.

In fact I recall they did take as much as they could get their hands on.

Rumour had it that when k. Thaksin and his then-wife left for Bejing to watch the games, they not only had an awfull lot of (unchecked) suitcases for such a short trip, but even had permission for it. Probably under the motto 'good riddance'. No credit here, only debit to the country. The US$ 300,000 or so bond lost for bail jumping was most likely only a pittence, pocket money, or loose change.

So, a bail jumper, a smuggler, a liar, admired by some because of that. A modern day Robin Hood, imagine

Convicted by who? A Thai court under army control?

Didn't you see those secret recordings of the judges conspiring with the democrats?

You jump up and down it seems. I didn't even mention a conviction, just bail jumping. Do you feel the need to ignore that simple piece of truth

[lannarebirth]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Thaksin's removal from office was patently unlawful by western stands where such a matter would have been dealt with by impeachment, but only if the available evidence was profoundly damming enough for a conviction to be achieved.

Paul's overview of Thaksin's financial achievements over two decades is much closer to reality than the other contributor's ill informed and prejudicial contributions.

Further I remind all that there is negligible evidence against Thaksin other than that of the misdemeanor for which he is roundly punished already.

Thaksin's conviction and sentencing are real enough yet such a punitive sentence of a two year prison term plus a 47 Billion Baht fine is not appropriate for said misdemeanor.

By western standards Thaksin's stepping down as interim / acting Prime Minister would have immediately caused someone else in the line of progression to take his place . In Thailand it created a power vacuum which led to a coup.

[whybother]

Thaksin's removal from office was patently unlawful by western standards where such a matter would have been dealt with by impeachment, but only if the available evidence was profoundly damming enough for a conviction to be achieved.

Paul's overview of Thaksin's financial achievements over two decades is much closer to reality than the other contributor's ill informed and prejudicial contributions.

Further I remind all that there is negligible evidence against Thaksin other than that of the misdemeanor for which he is roundly punished already.

Thaksin's conviction and sentencing are real enough yet such a punitive sentence of a two year prison term plus a 47 Billion Baht fine is not appropriate for said misdemeanor.

There is plenty of evidence against Thaksin. It just hasn't made it to court yet because he is on the run.

Sent from my shoe phone

[MikeOboe57]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Thaksin's removal from office was patently unlawful by western standards where such a matter would have been dealt with by impeachment, but only if the available evidence was profoundly damming enough for a conviction to be achieved.

Paul's overview of Thaksin's financial achievements over two decades is much closer to reality than the other contributor's ill informed and prejudicial contributions.

Further I remind all that there is negligible evidence against Thaksin other than that of the misdemeanor for which he is roundly punished already.

Thaksin's conviction and sentencing are real enough yet such a punitive sentence of a two year prison term plus a 47 Billion Baht fine is not appropriate for said misdemeanor.

From which "office" was Thaksin removed?

[alanferdi]

Meanwhile, there could be four potential perjury cases related to official asset declarations of public office holders and their spouses.

Records of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) show the asset declarations of Thaksin and his then-wife Pojaman na Pombejra back in 2001 were 569 million baht and 9.96 billion baht, respectively.

However, Pojaman, in her recent closing statement in the 76-billion-baht assets-seizure case, told the Supreme Court that 34 billion baht of the 76 billion baht belonged to her even though she reported her assets amounted to only 9.96 billion baht in February 2001, when Thaksin first assumed the premiership.

Besides the 2001 declaration, Pojaman reported to the NACC in 2005 that her assets had dropped to 8.91 billion baht and those of Thaksin to 506 million baht.

http://www.asiaone.c...228-201380.html

"I had 86 billion baht worth of assets before I entered politics, but they stole 46 billion from me,"

Thaksin Shinawatra

How much did you have when you were in the police forces?

[volk666]

Thaksin got his satellite license in what, 1991? And he made 86 billion by 1994? That's over 3 billion dollars at those days exchange rates.

I also would like to know how dotcom crash in the US affected Thaksin's assets in Thailand. If it affected his assets overseas - it was illegal to transfer funds out of the country, and for a good reason - money should be invested here for the development of Thailand.

And then Thaksin becomes the Prime Minister and say he has only country's interests in his heart.

Just what kind of crap people read in those banned online sources?

[rubl]

Thaksin's removal from office was patently unlawful by western standards where such a matter would have been dealt with by impeachment, but only if the available evidence was profoundly damming enough for a conviction to be achieved.

Paul's overview of Thaksin's financial achievements over two decades is much closer to reality than the other contributor's ill informed and prejudicial contributions.

Further I remind all that there is negligible evidence against Thaksin other than that of the misdemeanor for which he is roundly punished already.

Thaksin's conviction and sentencing are real enough yet such a punitive sentence of a two year prison term plus a 47 Billion Baht fine is not appropriate for said misdemeanor.

There is plenty of evidence against Thaksin. It just hasn't made it to court yet because he is on the run.

Sent from my shoe phone

Legalize, but as far as I understood the cases made it to court but can't proceed without the accused being present to hear/acknowledge hearing the charges. A legal representative only (like our esteemed k. Noppadon) is not sufficient, it must be the accused in person.

(PS I dislike fine print if only because it hurts my eyes)

Edited June 20, 2012 by rubl

[Moruya]

He was listed in Forbes as a USD Billionaire before he became PM. In the top 3 in Thailand I recall.

In the late 80s he was selling radio and pagers and doing telecommunications deals all over SE Asia.

In the early 90s, it was very difficult and very expensive to get a phone line to your home in many places.

Thaksin was there when cell phones took off.

Around 1994 he launched SatCom 1 and was building skyscrapers in Bangkok.

He bacame a telecommunications tycoon.

I believe he had 60 companies going.

Didn't he produce multi Billion surpluses when in office?

He may be corrupt (who isn't in Thailand?) but he is a smart guy that can run big operations.

I think he was railroaded by the Army thugs and high level scoundrels that really run the show around here. There futures looked dim with a task master/CEO as PM.

This gang espouses Democracy to grab the cash from the USA but roll out the tanks when they don't like electoral results. Scammers.

Thaksin's removal from office was patently unlawful by western standards where such a matter would have been dealt with by impeachment, but only if the available evidence was profoundly damming enough for a conviction to be achieved.

Paul's overview of Thaksin's financial achievements over two decades is much closer to reality than the other contributor's ill informed and prejudicial contributions.

Further I remind all that there is negligible evidence against Thaksin other than that of the misdemeanor for which he is roundly punished already.

Thaksin's conviction and sentencing are real enough yet such a punitive sentence of a two year prison term plus a 47 Billion Baht fine is not appropriate for said misdemeanor.

Thaksin wasn't holding any office.

The evidence against him of defrauding the nation of billions of baht was clearly there.

Another 10 or so clear cut cases are queued up so he did the dishonourable thing and ran away trying to run the country by proxy and using mob warfare as his army

[Crushdepth]

You can tell here, who reads The Nation(and believes it) and who reads the banned stuff online.

You can also tell who wears a tinfoil hat and went to Hitler Youth Camp.

[ThaiOats]

Oh before we forget, here's another one ' Ample Rich ' http://nationmultime...on_30031053.php . Yep, he's definitely not an elitist and certainly not that bad of a guy.

Edited June 21, 2012 by ThaiOats

[Valentine]

I wonder if Mr T could ever be indicted for insider trading relating to the currency crisis in 1997? Him & Chavalit were very close during the time when the Baht was attacked & all the foreign reserves were used to prop up the Baht. It is quite conceivable that those in the inner circle bought up huge amounts of US$ with Thai Baht & effectively were able to double their Baht within a few months. Unless the records have been destroyed there must be some kind of paper trail showing those forex transactions.