Ecuador Could Decide On Assenge'S Asylum Request On Thursday

[midas]

Film to show WikiLeaks chief as ‘digital Robin Hood’

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/film-to-show-wikileaks-chief-as-digital-robin-hood-1-2377192

[chuckd]

Film to show WikiLeaks chief as ‘digital Robin Hood’

http://www.scotsman....-hood-1-2377192

From your link:

"The film will reportedly depict the Australian as a man who defied authority from a young age."

We usually called them criminals...NOT Robin Hood.

[midas]

Film to show WikiLeaks chief as ‘digital Robin Hood’

http://www.scotsman....-hood-1-2377192

From your link:

"The film will reportedly depict the Australian as a man who defied authority from a young age."

We usually called them criminals...NOT Robin Hood.

irrelevant when so called ' authority ' comprises even bigger criminals

[meand]

If Ecuadorian staff wanted to escort him to airport, he justs gets in their car and they drive. Diplomatic immunity covers the embassy's vehicle. Similarly, diplomats can park badly in the host country, as long the vehicle has diplomatic tags, there are no repercussions.

From the link below:

2.5 Immunity applies to people and not vehicles. It can be withdrawn by the FCO at

any time. It can also be waived by the State concerned. For this reason

diplomats are careful not to come to notice of the police as the UK is considered

one of the world's best postings.

http://www.devon-cor...licies/D033.pdf

Yes, but let's say months go by and nothing. Do they just continue to check every vehicle head to toe? I think not, unless it is already protocol to do so?? I think in terms of great escapes, this would not only not be great, it wouldn't even be that good. Anyway, those are just some thoughts on the potential for escape, I watch to many movies

[Ulysses G.]

In his case, the British government will most likely be super-vigilant for as long as it takes. They gave this creep every consideration and he screwed them and his benefactor too. I would not be surprised if a team of SAS is watching the place at all times.

[Scott]

My guess is that they have CCTV and they even have turned on!

[Naam]

my guess is the British government cares a flying fart and would be happy if Assange leaves the country by whatever means.

[Scott]

You could right, Naam, but I think it would be embarrassing if he gets out of the country easily.

[maidu]

It's the Americans who want him most.

[softgeorge]

In his case, the British government will most likely be super-vigilant for as long as it takes. They gave this creep every consideration and he screwed them and his benefactor too. I would not be surprised if a team of SAS is watching the place at all times.

And what are they going to do, attack the embassy? Keep fighting Julian Australia is behind you.

[Ulysses G.]

Did you even read the thread?

[koheesti]

Why would Ecuador want to risk worsening relations with the British gov't by going to great lengths to sneak Assange out of the country?

[chuckd]

In his case, the British government will most likely be super-vigilant for as long as it takes. They gave this creep every consideration and he screwed them and his benefactor too. I would not be surprised if a team of SAS is watching the place at all times.

And what are they going to do, attack the embassy? Keep fighting Julian Australia is behind you.

Some of the citizens might be behind him but if the government is behind him, they seem to be a long way off.

[Naam]

Why would Ecuador want to risk worsening relations with the British gov't by going to great lengths to sneak Assange out of the country?

global public opinion is divided and the scale is clearly dipping in favour of Assange. yeah right UG... everybody except me and Midas thinks Assange is a rapist and ChuckD wants him shot for high treason

if the Brits extradite him a lot of people won't like it. if they don't there are lots of people who won't like it. if Ecuador finds a legal (or illegal) way to sneak him out of the country champagne corks will pop in the British Foreign Office and the Right Honourable William Jefferson Hague will feel like Pontius Pilatus ("Pilate" for the Anglos) felt ~2000 years ago in Jerusalem.

[Ulysses G.]

Well if you and Midas think that he is innocent, that is good enough for me.

[chuckd]

Well if you and Midas think that he is innocent, that is good enough for me.

Yeah, nobody ever 'splained it to me like that before.

[Naam]

Well if you and Midas think that he is innocent, that is good enough for me.

you still have to learn that putting words in my mouth does not work. i didn't say he is innocent. i said [indirectly] he is not a rapist. and i repeat that the b*tches who were messing around with him were part of a setup. i also don't think that you or Chuck are naïve enough to consider him a rapist because both of you seem to have an IQ above 82.5

of course... i could be wrong.

[chooka]

In his case, the British government will most likely be super-vigilant for as long as it takes. They gave this creep every consideration and he screwed them and his benefactor too. I would not be surprised if a team of SAS is watching the place at all times.

And what are they going to do, attack the embassy? Keep fighting Julian Australia is behind you.

Some of the citizens might be behind him but if the government is behind him, they seem to be a long way off.

The Australian government has said he hasn't broken any laws, but they are soft and terrified of upsetting the U.S.

[Crushdepth]

He [Assange] also fears being extradited to the United States, where he believes he could be sentenced to death if he is indicted.

He is a liar. He does not believe that for one second. Possibly locked up for a long time, maybe, but executed? Zero chance and he knows it. Just trying to make excuses. I bet a lot of his supporters are starting to realize that this creep probably really did rape those women.

Actually the US does have the death penalty for this sort of thing. You want he should just "try his luck"?

Your mental leap about raping people is ridiculous, and you are obviously ignorant of the circumstances in this case. Why don't you go do a bit of background reading on it before drawing narrow minded conclusions?

[meand]

Why would Ecuador want to risk worsening relations with the British gov't by going to great lengths to sneak Assange out of the country?

Good question. I mean this could put Ecuador on the proverbial map for expats seeking whatever it is they seek. Bold moves many times help growth. I have been to Ecuador, quite nice, and if Ecuador is friendly with Assange, Bush, Obama, Castro, whoever.... the more the merrier. Maybe it will become the feelgood capital of the world. The world needs more places that people can go without being hassled by their governments.

[Ulysses G.]

Your mental leap about raping people is ridiculous, and you are obviously ignorant of the circumstances in this case. Why don't you go do a bit of background reading on it before drawing narrow minded conclusions?

Assange is being extradited for questioning about sexual molestation and rape which he was accused of committing. That is what this thread is about., Maybe koheesti is not the one that needs to do "a little background reading".

Edited June 30, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

Well if you and Midas think that he is innocent, that is good enough for me.

you still have to learn that putting words in my mouth does not work. i didn't say he is innocent.

No one is "putting words in your mouth" except you.

.. everybody except me and Midas thinks Assange is a rapist

Edited June 30, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[Scott]

Stick to the topic, not the poster.

[maidu]

Your mental leap about raping people is ridiculous, and you are obviously ignorant of the circumstances in this case. Why don't you go do a bit of background reading on it before drawing narrow minded conclusions?

Assange is being extradited for questioning about sexual molestation and rape which he was accused of committing. That is what this thread is about., Maybe koheesti is not the one that needs to do "a little background reading".

The only gov't seriously concerned about the rape allegations is Sweden. US authorities are concerned about the leaks, and I don't blame them. It's not a question about whether this or that person likes what US policy is doing (that debate could go on endlessly). Businesses, families and governments all keep rafts of secrets. Sometimes, particularly with governments, if those secrets are made public, people can get (and have gotten) killed because of it. Releasing secrets can also <deleted> up carefully crafted relationships between countries and their power brokers. .....and can blow the cover for agents. Most such secrets, revealed, amount to nothing. However, there are times when such revelations can result in agents (whose covers are blown) getting //Deleted// up or killed. There's nothing cute or witty or even liberating about what Assenge put in motion. He's not a agent for positive social change. He's a punk who found a venue to reveal confidential gov't to gov't correspondence, and he's milking it for all the publicity he can - under a veil of being a social reformer.

Edited June 30, 2012 by metisdead
: Profanity edited out of post.

[chuckd]

He [Assange] also fears being extradited to the United States, where he believes he could be sentenced to death if he is indicted.

He is a liar. He does not believe that for one second. Possibly locked up for a long time, maybe, but executed? Zero chance and he knows it. Just trying to make excuses. I bet a lot of his supporters are starting to realize that this creep probably really did rape those women.

Actually the US does have the death penalty for this sort of thing. You want he should just "try his luck"?

Your mental leap about raping people is ridiculous, and you are obviously ignorant of the circumstances in this case. Why don't you go do a bit of background reading on it before drawing narrow minded conclusions?

You might want to check out which nations in the EU or Europe in general will extradite a suspect if the death penalty is involved. The UK and Sweden will not extradite a suspect unless any possibility of a death sentence is taken off the table.

For your information, Australia won't extradite a person to the US either if the death sentence is involved.

However Ecuador might have a change of heart under another dictator and decide to let him travel to the US, death penalty or not. I am wondering more and more if Assange is truly as smart as his Kool Aid drinkers seem to believe.

[chuckd]

of course... i could be wrong.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Edited June 30, 2012 by chuckd

[kerryk]

Film to show WikiLeaks chief as ‘digital Robin Hood’

http://www.scotsman....-hood-1-2377192

From your link:

"The film will reportedly depict the Australian as a man who defied authority from a young age."

We usually called them criminals...NOT Robin Hood.

irrelevant when so called ' authority ' comprises even bigger criminals

Did you ever try to tell a cop not to give you a speeding ticket because others are going faster than you?

Or did you ever try to tell a cop not to give you a ticket for riding a motorcycle without a helmet because he does not have a helmet on?

[Scott]

Posts deleted, including a video link that is too large.

Off topic posts and remarks about other posters have also been removed.

No more public warnings. Suspensions will follow. The topic is about Assange's Asylum bid with Ecuador. Stick to the topic.

Here endeth the Lesson...

[midas]

“Assange made an understandable decision " said Ratner, president emeritus of the Center of Constitutional Rights who has represented detainees at the US-run prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Neither (option) is very palatable,” .“He made a very difficult choice for himself.” Assange’s concerns that he could be prosecuted in a US court for serious crimes were well-founded, given details that have emerged about a grand jury investigation, public warnings from top US officials and reported questioning of WikiLeaks associates, according to Ratner.

“I think they’re quiet now because there’s a grand jury or an indictment and they don’t want to prejudice any ultimate trial. That would be my best guess.” Ratner said Assange could face difficult conditions in any “pre-trial confinement” in the United States, similar to those imposed on Army private Bradley Manning, charged with handing over a trove of secret files to Assange’s WikiLeaks website.

http://www.nst.com.m...awyer-1.100144#

Edited June 30, 2012 by midas

[midas]

Actually the US does have the death penalty for this sort of thing. You want he should just "try his luck"?

Your mental leap about raping people is ridiculous, and you are obviously ignorant of the circumstances in this case. Why don't you go do a bit of background reading on it before drawing narrow minded conclusions?

You might want to check out which nations in the EU or Europe in general will extradite a suspect if the death penalty is involved. The UK and Sweden will not extradite a suspect unless any possibility of a death sentence is taken off the table.

For your information, Australia won't extradite a person to the US either if the death sentence is involved.

However Ecuador might have a change of heart under another dictator and decide to let him travel to the US, death penalty or not. I am wondering more and more if Assange is truly as smart as his Kool Aid drinkers seem to believe.

You might want to check out which nations in the EU or Europe in general will extradite a suspect if the death penalty is involved.

have you read the provisions relating to " temporary surrender " which exists between USA and Sweden

and seems to be quite unique to these two countries?

[Temporary surrender] facilitates the orderly and efficient prosecution of a person sought in two jurisdictions by allowing the temporary transfer of the person to the Requesting State for prosecution, when that person is subject to proceedings (either prosecution or service of a sentence) in the Requested State. The transfer is subject to conditions agreed to in advance of the transfer. - Council of the European Union - Handbook on the practical application of the EU-U.S. Mutual Legal Assistance and Extradition Agreements (p. 15)

and please note this

" The US-Sweden treaty does not provide for judicial oversight or any conditions for temporary surrender."

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/this-blog-harms/2011/11/17/assange-the-questions-gillard-must-ask-obama/

Edited June 30, 2012 by midas