Abhisit Defends Kasit's Appointment

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Abhisit defends Kasit's appointment

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva stepped forward yesterday to defend his decision to appoint Kasit Piromya as foreign minister in 2008, arguing that Kasit had not been indicted in connection with the street protests led by the yellow-shirt People's Alliance for Democracy.

Abhisit said Kasit's case should not be compared to that of Natthawut Saikua, who has been given the deputy agriculture minister portfolio.

When Kasit was named foreign minister, he did not face any charges, Abhisit said, while Natthwut was already fighting myriad charges related to red-shirt protests before he took office in January. Abhisit also advised Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to review Natthawut's position in the Cabinet in light of the ombudsman's code of ethics being questioned.

Natthawut had earlier cast doubts on the professional ethics of Ombudsman Sriracha Charoen-panij in relation to the different rulings issued on two similar cases involving him and Kasit.

Sriracha had stated that he did not rule on the Kasit case because no complaints had been filed, but Natthawut said that in reality the ombudsman had indeed ruled in favour of Kasit and circulated the ruling in 2010. He then went on to claim that both he and Kasit faced terrorism charges, but the ombudsman had only faulted him.

Natthawut also said the Civil Court had drawn the same conclusion on both the yellow- and red-shirt protests - that they had gone beyond the freedom of public assembly sanctioned by the Constitution. He then said the ombudsman had cited his verdict but neglected to mention the judicial opinion on Kasit's case.

On Wednesday, the Office of the Ombudsman blamed Sriracha's confusing remarks on a flawed database, adding that subsequent document checks had rectified the problem. It explained that when the ombudsman ruled on the Kasit case, he was not facing any charges at the time of his appointment.

-- The Nation 2012-06-29

[geriatrickid]

[ballpoint]

Natthawut had earlier cast doubts on the professional ethics of Ombudsman Sriracha Charoen-panij in relation to the different rulings issued on two similar cases involving him and Kasit.

Similar? Kasit made a speech at the airport after it had been closed. He said it was a "new innovation for public protests". The airport is conspicuously still there, unlooted and unscarred by fire.

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/904

The HRW report, on the other hand, has this to say about Natthawut: "Similarly, during a preparatory rally in Chantaburi province on January 27, UDD leader Nuttawut Saikua warned: "If [the government] takes control [of the Red Shirt camp], we will burn the whole country. Burn it all down, I will take the responsibility. If they want to arrest or whatever, they can come to me. If they seize control, burn!” "

And again: "For example, on April 8, 2010, UDD leader Nuttawut Saikua told UDD protesters how he was easily frightened as a child and used to run for cover whenever he heard loud noises. He then suggested that the Red Shirts should run into shopping centers and loot and burn them if they were similarly “spooked” by the army attempting to disperse them".

He was heavily involved in the preparation of the protest. He incited violence prior to the protest. He incited violence during the protest. And he made good on those threats.

Edited June 29, 2012 by ballpoint

[phiphidon]

"The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible" Oscar Wilde on Foxhunting

"The Unelectable in defence of the Impeachable" PhiPhiDon on Abhisit Vejjajiva and his defence of Kasit

Edited June 29, 2012 by phiphidon

[carra]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

[Moruya]

"The uncontrollable in pursuit of the unobtainable"

Moruya

[saltandpepper]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Can we have again the list of the fine people who are in the current government?

[Moruya]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Are you for real?

There are more gansters in this regime than Chicago had in the '30s!!!!

[mca]

Can we have again the list of the fine people who are in the current government?

Can we have a comment on the OP? What do you think about Kasit's appointment?

[saltandpepper]

Can we have again the list of the fine people who are in the current government?

Can we have a comment on the OP? What do you think about Kasit's appointment?

I think it was definitely not the best move of Abhisit... Happy now?

[mca]

Well it would have read better without the petulant "Happy now?" but there we go.

[carra]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Are you for real?

There are more gansters in this regime than Chicago had in the '30s!!!!

I never said there wasn't did I?

This thread is about abhsit and his appointment of kasit, who lets not forget was not even an MP when her was granted this position.

If you want to discuss the PTP I am sure there is a thread for that, and remember it is a childish argument 'well he did it' or 'what about them', its a juvenile argument and pointless.

[ballpoint]

Maybe not Abhisit's finest move, but at least Kasit had the credentials for the job:

• 3rd Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1968)

• 3rd Secretary, News Analysis Division, Dept. of Information (1969)

• 3rd Secretary, SEATO Division, Dept. of International Organizations (1972)

• 3rd & 2nd Secr., Thai Embassy & European Union Mission, Brussels (1975)

• 2nd Secretary, International Economic Affairs Div., (1979)

• 1st Secretary, Office of the Director-General, Economic Affairs Dept. (1979)

• Director, Commerce and Industry Div., ASEAN Dept. (1981)

• Director, Economic Information Div., Dept. of Economic Affairs (1983)

• Director, Policy and Planning Div., Office of the Permanent Secretary (1984)

• Deputy Director-General, Dept. of Economic Affairs (1985)

• Ambassador Attached to the Ministry (European Affairs) (1988)

• Director-General, Dept. of International Organizations (1988)

• Ambassador of Thailand to:

– Soviet Union and Mongolia (1991)

– Russian Federation and Mongolia (1992-1993)

– Indonesia and Papua New Guinea (1994-6)

– Germany (1997-2001)

• Ambassador attached to Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and seconded to the Prime Minister Secretariat Office (2001)

• Adviser to Deputy PM and Commerce Minister Somkid Jatusripitak, and Banthoon Lamsam (Kasikorn Thai Bank)

• Ambassador of Thailand to Japan (2001)

• Ambassador of Thailand to the United States (2004-5)

• Adviser to the Senate Committee (2006)

• Democrat Party-List Candidate (2006)

• Adviser to the Democrat Party and PAD Movement (2006-2008)

• Democrat Shadow Deputy Prime Minister (2008)

Interestingly, he's also yet another former confidant and advisor to Thaksin who saw the light:

"On 27 March 2001, Kasit was transferred from the embassy in Germany to the foreign affairs ministry in Bangkok to serve as an adviser to PM Thaksin Shinawatra".

"In September 2003, at the Golden Garuda awards ceremony, PM Thaksin recognized Kasit and eight other high-level officials for their outstanding government service. PM Thaksin also recognized the wives of the winning officials with a significant cash reward. PM declared, "I am giving their wives ฿100,000 each. This is a token of my appreciation for taking good care of their husbands and children." "

http://www.th4u.com/kasit_piromya.htm

Just why is it that so many who have worked closely with Thaksin are now firmly against him?

[carra]

Maybe not Abhisit's finest move, but at least Kasit had the credentials for the job:

• 3rd Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1968)

• 3rd Secretary, News Analysis Division, Dept. of Information (1969)

• 3rd Secretary, SEATO Division, Dept. of International Organizations (1972)

• 3rd & 2nd Secr., Thai Embassy & European Union Mission, Brussels (1975)

• 2nd Secretary, International Economic Affairs Div., (1979)

• 1st Secretary, Office of the Director-General, Economic Affairs Dept. (1979)

• Director, Commerce and Industry Div., ASEAN Dept. (1981)

• Director, Economic Information Div., Dept. of Economic Affairs (1983)

• Director, Policy and Planning Div., Office of the Permanent Secretary (1984)

• Deputy Director-General, Dept. of Economic Affairs (1985)

• Ambassador Attached to the Ministry (European Affairs) (1988)

• Director-General, Dept. of International Organizations (1988)

• Ambassador of Thailand to:

– Soviet Union and Mongolia (1991)

– Russian Federation and Mongolia (1992-1993)

– Indonesia and Papua New Guinea (1994-6)

– Germany (1997-2001)

• Ambassador attached to Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and seconded to the Prime Minister Secretariat Office (2001)

• Adviser to Deputy PM and Commerce Minister Somkid Jatusripitak, and Banthoon Lamsam (Kasikorn Thai Bank)

• Ambassador of Thailand to Japan (2001)

• Ambassador of Thailand to the United States (2004-5)

• Adviser to the Senate Committee (2006)

• Democrat Party-List Candidate (2006)

• Adviser to the Democrat Party and PAD Movement (2006-2008)

• Democrat Shadow Deputy Prime Minister (2008)

Interestingly, he's also yet another former confidant and advisor to Thaksin who saw the light:

"On 27 March 2001, Kasit was transferred from the embassy in Germany to the foreign affairs ministry in Bangkok to serve as an adviser to PM Thaksin Shinawatra".

"In September 2003, at the Golden Garuda awards ceremony, PM Thaksin recognized Kasit and eight other high-level officials for their outstanding government service. PM Thaksin also recognized the wives of the winning officials with a significant cash reward. PM declared, "I am giving their wives ฿100,000 each. This is a token of my appreciation for taking good care of their husbands and children." "

http://www.th4u.com/kasit_piromya.htm

Just why is it that so many who have worked closely with Thaksin are now firmly against him?

Are they or do they have to appear that way? I am quite sure they will turn again when he returns.

there is no loyalty and these guys will follow the baht

[carra]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Can we have again the list of the fine people who are in the current government?

I refer you to my answer to moruya.

This thread is about abhsist and kasit, and whoever is in this government bares no relevance to his decision to appoint kasit. Are you suggesting that he was able to appoint this man because he could forsee losing the next election and forsee who PTP would have in the cabinet, and then be able to justify his decision to appoint kasit and the juvenile playground manner of 'well they did it ner ner ner ner neeerrr'.

Come on guys, lets have a discussion by all means but leave the juvenile nonsense to one side. Was Abhisit right to appoint Kasit, it is irrelevant who the PTP appointed afterwards. Stick to the subject

[animatic]

Maybe not Abhisit's finest move, but at least Kasit had the credentials for the job:

• 3rd Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1968)

• 3rd Secretary, News Analysis Division, Dept. of Information (1969)

• 3rd Secretary, SEATO Division, Dept. of International Organizations (1972)

• 3rd & 2nd Secr., Thai Embassy & European Union Mission, Brussels (1975)

• 2nd Secretary, International Economic Affairs Div., (1979)

• 1st Secretary, Office of the Director-General, Economic Affairs Dept. (1979)

• Director, Commerce and Industry Div., ASEAN Dept. (1981)

• Director, Economic Information Div., Dept. of Economic Affairs (1983)

• Director, Policy and Planning Div., Office of the Permanent Secretary (1984)

• Deputy Director-General, Dept. of Economic Affairs (1985)

• Ambassador Attached to the Ministry (European Affairs) (1988)

• Director-General, Dept. of International Organizations (1988)

• Ambassador of Thailand to:

– Soviet Union and Mongolia (1991)

– Russian Federation and Mongolia (1992-1993)

– Indonesia and Papua New Guinea (1994-6)

– Germany (1997-2001)

• Ambassador attached to Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and seconded to the Prime Minister Secretariat Office (2001)

• Adviser to Deputy PM and Commerce Minister Somkid Jatusripitak, and Banthoon Lamsam (Kasikorn Thai Bank)

• Ambassador of Thailand to Japan (2001)

• Ambassador of Thailand to the United States (2004-5)

• Adviser to the Senate Committee (2006)

• Democrat Party-List Candidate (2006)

• Adviser to the Democrat Party and PAD Movement (2006-2008)

• Democrat Shadow Deputy Prime Minister (2008)

Interestingly, he's also yet another former confidant and advisor to Thaksin who saw the light:

"On 27 March 2001, Kasit was transferred from the embassy in Germany to the foreign affairs ministry in Bangkok to serve as an adviser to PM Thaksin Shinawatra".

"In September 2003, at the Golden Garuda awards ceremony, PM Thaksin recognized Kasit and eight other high-level officials for their outstanding government service. PM Thaksin also recognized the wives of the winning officials with a significant cash reward. PM declared, "I am giving their wives ฿100,000 each. This is a token of my appreciation for taking good care of their husbands and children." "

http://www.th4u.com/kasit_piromya.htm

Just why is it that so many who have worked closely with Thaksin are now firmly against him?

The list of the current FM'S 'credentials' is hardly as illuminating.

Black hole comes to mind.

[tragickingdom]

There is one big difference between nathawut and Kasit. Nathawut did not cause huge economic damage to the country Kasit did. Abhisit could have asks Kasit to step down days after he was appointed and found out that he is accused of economic terrorism by Abhisit's own henchmen. He did not. There is after all one set of rules and behavior for the democrats party and one for all others. That is why the DP can be beaten in each and every election and still propelled to power by crooked courts, though exposed on youtube can still stay on.

[Moruya]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Are you for real?

There are more gansters in this regime than Chicago had in the '30s!!!!

I never said there wasn't did I?

This thread is about abhsit and his appointment of kasit, who lets not forget was not even an MP when her was granted this position.

If you want to discuss the PTP I am sure there is a thread for that, and remember it is a childish argument 'well he did it' or 'what about them', its a juvenile argument and pointless.

So Nattawut isn't part of the thread?

[whybother]

There is one big difference between nathawut and Kasit. Nathawut did not cause huge economic damage to the country Kasit did. Abhisit could have asks Kasit to step down days after he was appointed and found out that he is accused of economic terrorism by Abhisit's own henchmen. He did not. There is after all one set of rules and behavior for the democrats party and one for all others. That is why the DP can be beaten in each and every election and still propelled to power by crooked courts, though exposed on youtube can still stay on.

Are you suggesting that the 2010 riots didn't cause huge economic damage to the country?

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

[h90]

Maybe not Abhisit's finest move, but at least Kasit had the credentials for the job:

• 3rd Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1968)

• 3rd Secretary, News Analysis Division, Dept. of Information (1969)

• 3rd Secretary, SEATO Division, Dept. of International Organizations (1972)

• 3rd & 2nd Secr., Thai Embassy & European Union Mission, Brussels (1975)

• 2nd Secretary, International Economic Affairs Div., (1979)

• 1st Secretary, Office of the Director-General, Economic Affairs Dept. (1979)

• Director, Commerce and Industry Div., ASEAN Dept. (1981)

• Director, Economic Information Div., Dept. of Economic Affairs (1983)

• Director, Policy and Planning Div., Office of the Permanent Secretary (1984)

• Deputy Director-General, Dept. of Economic Affairs (1985)

• Ambassador Attached to the Ministry (European Affairs) (1988)

• Director-General, Dept. of International Organizations (1988)

• Ambassador of Thailand to:

– Soviet Union and Mongolia (1991)

– Russian Federation and Mongolia (1992-1993)

– Indonesia and Papua New Guinea (1994-6)

– Germany (1997-2001)

• Ambassador attached to Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and seconded to the Prime Minister Secretariat Office (2001)

• Adviser to Deputy PM and Commerce Minister Somkid Jatusripitak, and Banthoon Lamsam (Kasikorn Thai Bank)

• Ambassador of Thailand to Japan (2001)

• Ambassador of Thailand to the United States (2004-5)

• Adviser to the Senate Committee (2006)

• Democrat Party-List Candidate (2006)

• Adviser to the Democrat Party and PAD Movement (2006-2008)

• Democrat Shadow Deputy Prime Minister (2008)

Interestingly, he's also yet another former confidant and advisor to Thaksin who saw the light:

"On 27 March 2001, Kasit was transferred from the embassy in Germany to the foreign affairs ministry in Bangkok to serve as an adviser to PM Thaksin Shinawatra".

"In September 2003, at the Golden Garuda awards ceremony, PM Thaksin recognized Kasit and eight other high-level officials for their outstanding government service. PM Thaksin also recognized the wives of the winning officials with a significant cash reward. PM declared, "I am giving their wives ฿100,000 each. This is a token of my appreciation for taking good care of their husbands and children." "

http://www.th4u.com/kasit_piromya.htm

Just why is it that so many who have worked closely with Thaksin are now firmly against him?

I read 2 letters Kasit sent to the German government. The German less than a Bar Girl can do. Worse than Google translate.

A complete shame. On the problem with the princes airplane, the German government had a solution ready, but he told to the media that he demand that the German government orders the court to release it. In no Democracy the government can order courts to do something.

As well they found out that he is lying by google the facts.

If incompetence has a name than it is Kasit.

[h90]

There is one big difference between nathawut and Kasit. Nathawut did not cause huge economic damage to the country Kasit did. Abhisit could have asks Kasit to step down days after he was appointed and found out that he is accused of economic terrorism by Abhisit's own henchmen. He did not. There is after all one set of rules and behavior for the democrats party and one for all others. That is why the DP can be beaten in each and every election and still propelled to power by crooked courts, though exposed on youtube can still stay on.

"economic terrorism"?? What is that? Maybe for greater effect, you may call it "economic holocaust" or "rape of the airport"

He wasn't even a leader there. He didn't influence what happened there.

[LomSak27]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

Edited June 29, 2012 by LomSak27

[h90]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

There was not that much damage and if they wouldn't do it, it would have caused more people dieing, and the economic damage would have been much worse if Somchai (Thaksins brother in law) kept staying in power.

2-3 years Somchai costs more than some delayed airplanes. On shipments it was +2 days if I recall right.

[Moruya]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

Is there a link to the statistics?

[chotthee]

Sriracha had stated that he did not rule on the Kasit case because no complaints had been filed?

So why did Kasit have to appear in police station?

http://antithaksin.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/pad-kasit-launch-their-defence/

Thirty-six leaders of the PAD have been summoned to report to police on Thursday to hear criminal charges, including acts of terrorism, in relation with the blockade of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports late last year.

Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya also lodged a petition seeking justice, asking police to review and withdraw all charges filed against him, set up a committee to probe investigators handling the case, and temporarily halt the investigation.

[Buchholz]

Nathawut did not cause huge economic damage to the country Kasit did.

absurd assessment

1.

2. And especially in light of the huge difference between a participant like Kasit and a Leader like Natthawut.

.

[Buchholz]

This thread is about abhsit and his appointment of kasit, who lets not forget was not even an MP when her was granted this position.

If you want to discuss the PTP I am sure there is a thread for that, and remember it is a childish argument 'well he did it' or 'what about them', its a juvenile argument and pointless.

This thread is more than Abhisit's appointment of Kasit. That happened five years ago and has been rehashed to death.

The whole point of why it is even being discussed today is because of the OP's:

Abhisit said Kasit's case should not be compared to that of Natthawut Saikua, who has been given the Deputy Agriculture Minister portfolio.

To that end, the plain fact that Kasit had not been indicted before his appointment whereas Nathhawut had been indicted not for months, but YEARS, prior to his appointment... and repeatedly.

Clearly there is a huge difference between the two situations... which is the real gist of the OP.

.

[Nickymaster]

At least Kasit had a good track record. O yes, he made a comment once that it was a good thing to occupy the airport. Bad Kasit.

Nathawut on the other hand has no experience and track record, told people to burn down the country and became a Deputy Minister..

What is all the fuss about? They are equally wrong... isn't it?

[h90]

Nathawut did not cause huge economic damage to the country Kasit did.

absurd assessment

1.

2. And especially in light of the huge difference between a participant like Kasit and a Leader like Natthawut.

.

But it would have been a good idea to burn down swampy.

[mrtoad]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

And the Reds didn't cause economic damage, and their DL didn't line his pockets with state money?