phl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 pay a small fine (never ever heard of random checks blood or piss tests unless some kind of accident) or be locked up and deported, you do not think there is a HUGE difference?PS. In the West to my knowledge police have no right to drug test you unless you were involved in an accident which you caused or were involved in a fight where serious injury's were inflicted. You also have the right to refuse and would need a court order to proceed, AGAIN, there has to be a very serious incident for this to take place This may have changed since i lived in the West last, but again, never read or heard of any since i been here taking place in the West. i saw it with some plastic thing, which they moved over someones fingers to finds traces of drugs... out of curiosity i asked, if it wasnt the persons private life whether they smoke marijuana in amsterdam or not, they said "no", asked for my id and drug-tested me too... Ohhhhhh. this is totally different. This is a test they do to determine if you were in contact with drugs. They also swipe your wallet, phone and other belongings sometime. If your hands or belongings test positive, they will search your luggage including body search. If all fails, they may want to xray your stomach. But all this things are done ONLY to find the actual drugs, NOT drugs you consumed Legally, police in the West have no right to drug test you, as i mentioned before, unless some incident. Sure they can ask and if you agree and test positive issue a fine, HOWEVER if you decline they must either let you go or arrest you. If they chose to arrest you, they have to seek a court order to have you drug tested. If they arrested you just because they thought you were drugged while sitting in your sit, judge will throw the case out, hence they never arrest people, unless when asked people get very loud and possibly "violent" which is enough excuse for them then to take it further. From personal experience, i was picked randomly in NZ, in the airport, they asked to check my luggage, to which i agreed, they then asked to body search me, to which i agreed(with conditions) They then asked to to be drug tested, to which i refused. They did try to tell me what they could do, to which i calmly replied "if you could you would" I was on my way 20 mins later with no problems at all The sniffer dogs are used to determine if you have drugs, those dogs CAN NOT smell if you have consumed drugs or have drugs in your blood, unless of course may be if you were making out with one of the sniffer dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingdang Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 ok, but bottom line its unlawful (an offense or so) to enter the country with illicit drugs in the blood/system... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 ok, but bottom line its unlawful (an offense or so) to enter the country with illicit drugs in the blood/system... no it is not. it is illegal to have the drugs in your possession, but it is not illegal to have the drugs in your blood stream.(theoretically) Do try to find the law which confirms your statement. You will find laws addressing the issue of drugs being Illegal, you will find laws stating it is illegal to drive under the influence of drugs, but you will not find any laws stating it is illegal to have drugs in your blood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingdang Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) i think you are right... according to google, hashish consumption is legal, just not buying or selling... so its usually assumed (legally), you took someones hashish-pipe, pulled on it, and handed it back... it has happened more than 5 years ago, but the guys definitely said, it was NOT permitted to smoke hashish in amsterdam and then pass the border... o ok, maybe i misunderstood it? for a non-dutch, its not permitted to buy hashish in the netherlands and smoke it, but its permitted to borrow a hashish pipe and smoke it... Edited July 2, 2012 by dingdang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 i think you are right... according to google, hashish consumption is legal, just not buying or selling... so its usually assumed (legally), you took someones hashish-pipe, pulled on it, and handed it back... it has happened more than 5 years ago, but the guys definitely said, it was NOT permitted to smoke hashish in amsterdam and then pass the border... o ok, maybe i misunderstood it? for a non-dutch, its not permitted to buy hashish in the netherlands and smoke it, but its permitted to borrow a hashish pipe and smoke it... I think you misunderstood, a non dutch can buy and can smoke in Amsterdam, i did it years and years ago. It is NOT very legal to do it in public, but perfectly ok in the "cafe" Also if police does catch you smoking out in public they will just ask you to go into cafe and direct you to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asean Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 After years of extracting many foreigners and thais from police stations and prisons i can tell you this. 100% of the people they catch are guilty of a crime. The police know what they are looking for and they are never wrong. The negotiations just vary from case to case. If you are not carrying a passport you are breaking the law. If you overstay your visa one day you are breaking the law and are deportable. If you do any kind of working involving labour or knowledge you are willfully breaking the law, chargeable, imprisonable and deportable. They are not racist these are just the immigration laws like any other country but for some insane reason expats here seem to not take seriously. Try breaking an immigation law in Australia or America and see what happens. Also remember narcotics officers can test, search you and premises without a warrant or court order. very similar to Australia and USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Wow, near 50% of foreigners taking drugs (explains a lot) while almost another 10% in the country illegally. They should feel dam_n lucky they were all not hauled off to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 ok, but bottom line its unlawful (an offense or so) to enter the country with illicit drugs in the blood/system... no it is not. it is illegal to have the drugs in your possession, but it is not illegal to have the drugs in your blood stream.(theoretically) Do try to find the law which confirms your statement. You will find laws addressing the issue of drugs being Illegal, you will find laws stating it is illegal to drive under the influence of drugs, but you will not find any laws stating it is illegal to have drugs in your blood Having it in your system and being in possession is pretty much the same thing in Thailand and can result in a possession charge. It is not an uncommon occurrence at all here and people need to remind themselves the laws in their own country are just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingdang Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) i think you are right... according to google, hashish consumption is legal, just not buying or selling... so its usually assumed (legally), you took someones hashish-pipe, pulled on it, and handed it back... it has happened more than 5 years ago, but the guys definitely said, it was NOT permitted to smoke hashish in amsterdam and then pass the border... o ok, maybe i misunderstood it? for a non-dutch, its not permitted to buy hashish in the netherlands and smoke it, but its permitted to borrow a hashish pipe and smoke it... I think you misunderstood, a non dutch can buy and can smoke in Amsterdam, i did it years and years ago. It is NOT very legal to do it in public, but perfectly ok in the "cafe" Also if police does catch you smoking out in public they will just ask you to go into cafe and direct you to one. not sure, i think i read yesterday of a change in the german "drug law" in 2008 saying, that a citizen has to obey the german "drug law" PLUS the law in the foreign country --- which would mean, a german resident/citizen is not allowed to buy hashish in the netherlands... Edited July 3, 2012 by dingdang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrry Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 i think you are right... according to google, hashish consumption is legal, just not buying or selling... so its usually assumed (legally), you took someones hashish-pipe, pulled on it, and handed it back... it has happened more than 5 years ago, but the guys definitely said, it was NOT permitted to smoke hashish in amsterdam and then pass the border... o ok, maybe i misunderstood it? for a non-dutch, its not permitted to buy hashish in the netherlands and smoke it, but its permitted to borrow a hashish pipe and smoke it... I think you misunderstood, a non dutch can buy and can smoke in Amsterdam, i did it years and years ago. It is NOT very legal to do it in public, but perfectly ok in the "cafe" Also if police does catch you smoking out in public they will just ask you to go into cafe and direct you to one. Not any more..Dutch cafes are only for dutch now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 i think you are right... according to google, hashish consumption is legal, just not buying or selling... so its usually assumed (legally), you took someones hashish-pipe, pulled on it, and handed it back... it has happened more than 5 years ago, but the guys definitely said, it was NOT permitted to smoke hashish in amsterdam and then pass the border... o ok, maybe i misunderstood it? for a non-dutch, its not permitted to buy hashish in the netherlands and smoke it, but its permitted to borrow a hashish pipe and smoke it... I think you misunderstood, a non dutch can buy and can smoke in Amsterdam, i did it years and years ago. It is NOT very legal to do it in public, but perfectly ok in the "cafe" Also if police does catch you smoking out in public they will just ask you to go into cafe and direct you to one. Not any more..Dutch cafes are only for dutch now. may be, have not been there for a looong time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 i think you are right... according to google, hashish consumption is legal, just not buying or selling... so its usually assumed (legally), you took someones hashish-pipe, pulled on it, and handed it back... it has happened more than 5 years ago, but the guys definitely said, it was NOT permitted to smoke hashish in amsterdam and then pass the border... o ok, maybe i misunderstood it? for a non-dutch, its not permitted to buy hashish in the netherlands and smoke it, but its permitted to borrow a hashish pipe and smoke it... I think you misunderstood, a non dutch can buy and can smoke in Amsterdam, i did it years and years ago. It is NOT very legal to do it in public, but perfectly ok in the "cafe" Also if police does catch you smoking out in public they will just ask you to go into cafe and direct you to one. not sure, i think i read yesterday of a change in the german "drug law" in 2008 saying, that a citizen has to obey the german "drug law" PLUS the law in the foreign country --- which would mean, a german resident/citizen is not allowed to buy hashish in the netherlands... also may be, and if caught in possession could be charged, but will not be blood or urine tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Don't 50% of U.S. bills contain traces of cocaine and or other drugs? They did at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 If you do not take drugs and therefore abide by the law then you have nothing to worry about. Whether immigration ot Thai drug officers catch anyone, foreigner or Thai, is good as far as I am concerned. Yes, I think the same should be extended to prostitution which is very illegal in Thailand. Bar girls should work with the police; if in ANY circumstance a foreigner gives money for sex they should be arrested, charged and deported. Their pictures should also be plastered on the newspaper not only here but in their home country. Bargirls should work in tandem with the police, they should lure the sex tourist to hotels and when the money changes hands they should call the police to arrest the foreigner. As with the drugs cases, the foreigner should be allowed to pay a "fine," maybe 2-500 thousand baht (which the bargirl should get a cut as well) as an apology to the Thais for coming here and breaking the laws; then the police can forgive and let the sex tourist go. This would help solve the drug problem also, as anyone who pays money for sex would also take drugs; being such immoral scumbags. I would go so far as to say that anyone who pays for sex MUST have illegal drugs in their system which should be assumed until proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Don't 50% of U.S. bills contain traces of cocaine and or other drugs? They did at one time. Google drugs in used uk bank notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman123 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 After years of extracting many foreigners and thais from police stations and prisons i can tell you this. 100% of the people they catch are guilty of a crime. The police know what they are looking for and they are never wrong. The negotiations just vary from case to case. If you are not carrying a passport you are breaking the law. If you overstay your visa one day you are breaking the law and are deportable. If you do any kind of working involving labour or knowledge you are willfully breaking the law, chargeable, imprisonable and deportable. They are not racist these are just the immigration laws like any other country but for some insane reason expats here seem to not take seriously. Try breaking an immigation law in Australia or America and see what happens. Also remember narcotics officers can test, search you and premises without a warrant or court order. very similar to Australia and USA. I'm sorry but you are sooooooo wrong in your statements that you need to look back on this post and read the three or four of my own posts on this subject for the understanding why I know you are 100% wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgore Trout Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) I'm not arguing with how the law is stated, it clearly is ambiguous. However; unless shown otherwise I think the same can be said for having drugs in your system (not physical possession) which is exactly my point. If you are charged with solicitation of a prostitute or having drugs in your system, I'm sure you have a good chance of convincing a judge of your innocence by arguing the finer points of the law. However; as a foreigner, if arrested for either of these "crimes," you passport is confiscated until the case is sorted. Pleading not guilty will result in a case lasting most likely more than a year. You will spend time in jail unitl bail is posted, or if it cannot be posted after 21 days (or something like that) you are released (without passport). You will then be summoned to the court probably more than 5 times and given a later date each time. By the time the case is processed and the defendant is found guilty or not guilty the visa has expired. The foreigner is then handed over to immigration where you will languish in immigration detention for about a month until you are released and either escorted to the airport or allowed to remain in the kingdom. Either way, it is an extortion attempt by the police because they know that even if innocent; no foreigner wants to hang around and go through that for a year. Again, my point for those holier than thou, nail drug users to the wall brigade, if you engage in the sex trade you are engaging in illegal activity and thus the same consideration and attitude should apply to you, same as a stoner or junkie foreigner in Thailand. Edited July 3, 2012 by Kilgore Trout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Who is targeting the Police for unlawful drinking/yaba/drugs while carrying a weapon? Thailand...The Hub of Corruption. Sent from my GT-N7000 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) <snip due to length>Again, my point for those holier than thou, nail drug users to the wall brigade, if you engage in the sex trade you are engaging in illegal activity and thus the same consideration and attitude should apply to you, same as a stoner or junkie foreigner in Thailand. Drug laws and prostitution laws as well as their enforcement is not at all similar in Thailand. Having drugs in your system is running a risk of a drug possession charge, especially if out at a club where tests are not uncommonly carried out. However, it is not illegal to buy the services of an of age working girl as long as it is not done in an open and shameless manner or causes nuisance to the public. One act is illegal in Thailand and one is not and therefore not at all a good comparison. Personally, I don't care what anybody does with or to their body as long as it is their choice and not directly harming somebody else be it prostitution or taking drugs. Edited July 3, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 What a joke! They should really be targeting taxi drivers, bus drivers, BTS operators, and MRT operators who pose a much greater risk while high on drugs, not someone walking the streets at night. Thailand is getting to be more anti-foreigner by the day. That's ok, because we are not stupid and we are looking elsewhere to spend our money.....I'm in the process of moving my money to Viet Nam I bet the SET will drop 5 points when you do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Soon they will be wanting to check your hoop shoot, just to make sure your not hiding something up your arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Soon they will be wanting to check your hoop shoot, just to make sure your not hiding something up your arse. You sure that is the only reason they want to get up there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 why not kick out all farangs? so thailand can be as in their nationalistic song : for thais only Why wait to be kicked out, if you are unhappy with the regime planes leave everyday, it's not exactly rocket science. Thailand ain't gonna change it's policies to placate a bunch of disgruntled expats, you know what they will say, " If you don't like it, leave " and you know what, I can't disagree with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 why not kick out all farangs? so thailand can be as in their nationalistic song : for thais only Why wait to be kicked out, if you are unhappy with the regime planes leave everyday, it's not exactly rocket science. Thailand ain't gonna change it's policies to placate a bunch of disgruntled expats, you know what they will say, " If you don't like it, leave " and you know what, I can't disagree with them. you do understand and realize that revolutions and changes around the globe did not happen when people just sat around, did nothing and kept their mouth shut? Yes Thailand will change, but it will take time and more and more people speaking out. Have you noticed a number of Thai people on this forum, who are already speaking out and seeing the "stupidity"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) why not kick out all farangs? so thailand can be as in their nationalistic song : for thais only Why wait to be kicked out, if you are unhappy with the regime planes leave everyday, it's not exactly rocket science. Thailand ain't gonna change it's policies to placate a bunch of disgruntled expats, you know what they will say, " If you don't like it, leave " and you know what, I can't disagree with them. you do understand and realize that revolutions and changes around the globe did not happen when people just sat around, did nothing and kept their mouth shut? Yes Thailand will change, but it will take time and more and more people speaking out. Have you noticed a number of Thai people on this forum, who are already speaking out and seeing the "stupidity"? I have heard that Yingluck starts everyone of her cabinet meetings by asking how Thailand can address the current complaints of the curmudgeons posting on ThaiVisa. By the way, you don't have to be Thai to see the stupidity we all often post here. Edited July 3, 2012 by Nisa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Have you noticed a number of Thai people on this forum, who are already speaking out and seeing the "stupidity"? Can't say I have, but, I see plenty of Farangs, who by choice live here complaining all the time, what on earth made them come here in the first place if they were not able to cope with the changes? I have said before and I'll say it again, moving from your own developed country with all its rules and regulations to a developing Asian country is a young mans game, unless you are wealthy enough to be able to move on when you realize it's not for you. Thailand makes it hard for you to stay, and easy for you to leave, the choice is ..." Up To You " So many Farangs make bad choices in their lives, they don't research well enough, they don't plan well enough, and when it all goes tits up, its Thailand's fault, never theirs, but Thailand's. When they have money everything is great, as soon as they are skint, it's Thailand's fault, never theirs, but Thailand's. Edited July 3, 2012 by Banzai99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 why not kick out all farangs? so thailand can be as in their nationalistic song : for thais only Why wait to be kicked out, if you are unhappy with the regime planes leave everyday, it's not exactly rocket science. Thailand ain't gonna change it's policies to placate a bunch of disgruntled expats, you know what they will say, " If you don't like it, leave " and you know what, I can't disagree with them. you do understand and realize that revolutions and changes around the globe did not happen when people just sat around, did nothing and kept their mouth shut? Yes Thailand will change, but it will take time and more and more people speaking out. Have you noticed a number of Thai people on this forum, who are already speaking out and seeing the "stupidity"? I have heard that Yingluck starts everyone of her cabinet meetings by asking how Thailand can address the current complaints of the curmudgeons posting on ThaiVisa. I did not realize she was picking her cabinet or was even aware that such a thing exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banzai99 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I have heard that Yingluck starts everyone of her cabinet meetings by asking how Thailand can address the current complaints of the curmudgeons posting on ThaiVisa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Have you noticed a number of Thai people on this forum, who are already speaking out and seeing the "stupidity"? Can't say I have, but, I see plenty of Farangs, who by choice live here complaining all the time, what on earth made them come here in the first place if they were not able to cope with the changes? I have said before and I'll say it again, moving from your own developed country with all its rules and regulations to a developing Asian country is a young mans game, unless you are wealthy enough to be able to move on when you realize it's not for you. Thailand makes it hard for you to stay, and easy for you to leave, the choice is ..." Up To You " you can not say you have? then try reading little more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) I have got nothing against complaining and think it needs to be done sometimes for mental health reasons when coming from a different land. However, it is the idiotic comments of labeling Thais and Thailand as all being the same because of one-off news reports of incidents by single people or even groups. People act as though they haven't read a news report before coming to Thailand. I personally don't like the law of checking random people urine but it is what it is and I personally like the fact that even with intrusive laws like this, a few choice words and/or a few baht will usually get you out of a jam. I really don't understand why people come to a less developed nation and then constantly whine and desire it to be more like their homeland. It makes no sense to me. Edited July 3, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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