John Terry'S Trial. . .

[StevieH]

it's been generally amusing and mental so far but the humour peaked today when "Terry painfully has to recount to court the song from Liverpool fans about his "mum loving Scouse cock".

the whole case seems to stink so far and the defence appears to be pointing out that anton ferdinand is simply a liar.

[smokie36]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

[SantiSuk]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

Case against him sounds very thin so far. Though you can normally never predict an outcome from journos alone, they have been into him so much that you would expect them to be having a field day by now. The tenor of press comments (subdued) speaks volumes. Watch out for the 'we told you he was unfairly treated' volte face. I'm sure all you Spuds will carry on regardless with your loathing.

[smokie36]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

Case against him sounds very thin so far. Though you can normally never predict an outcome from journos alone, they have been into him so much that you would expect them to be having a field day by now. The tenor of press comments (subdued) speaks volumes. Watch out for the 'we told you he was unfairly treated' volte face. I'm sure all you Spuds will carry on regardless with your loathing.

Remember...this bloke shagged his teammates wife. He is scum.

[Jimjim]

From what I remember of Anton's testimony, he seemed to say that Terry and Ashley Cole both thought he had accused Terry of racial abuse and they both said so after the match. So that may give weight to Terry's claims, and perhaps the video evidence doesn't tell the whole story.

However, it does seem weird for Terry to repeat it back to him and it's hard to take what he's saying as sarcasm, but again I don't think the whole exchange has been recorded.

It also seems hard to hear what Terry would have misconstrued as Anton accusing him of racial abuse during the game from what Anton Ferdinand related as his own words.

I haven't read much more about it than that but will be interesting to see what happens.

[salty]

JT is certainly not a paragon of virtue. In this piece on the BBC website yesterday it states down near the end that the maximim sentence he could recieve if found guilty is a fine of £2,500. Much ado about nothing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18804464

[Abrak]

Well this is a criminal public order case. There will be an FA investigation into the use of racist language against Terry regardless of the trial.

[carmine]

Could someone from the Liverpool thread please post the lyrics of your song about Captain Fantastic's mum?

[SantiSuk]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

Case against him sounds very thin so far. Though you can normally never predict an outcome from journos alone, they have been into him so much that you would expect them to be having a field day by now. The tenor of press comments (subdued) speaks volumes. Watch out for the 'we told you he was unfairly treated' volte face. I'm sure all you Spuds will carry on regardless with your loathing.

Remember...this bloke shagged his teammates wife. He is scum.

On a point of fact she was Bridge's girlfriend and on a point of opinion it was never clear (to me anyway, but I never studied the tabloids) whether he shagged her while Bridge was his teammate and whether the Brige/girlfriend relationship was still 'on' at the time he was shagging her. I still think you spuds are convicting him in circumstances that were never fully investigated or revealed. It's too bloody easy to get critical of what goes on in relationships when you don't know the facts and when the whole thing is being whipped up by the press.

[My motivation is that I dilsike the press and how they contort people's views. I'm, no aplogist for Terry. What happens in other people's personal relationships is of no great interest to me and I certainly don't go chucking $hit about when I am not whiter than white myself]

[StevieH]

Could someone from the Liverpool thread please post the lyrics of your song about Captain Fantastic's mum?

it references the 2006 world cup and the fact that john terry's dear shoplifter of a mother loves a scouse cock so much that the shagged both of jamie carragher's brothers while pissed up. i think she actually lives with one of them now still.

[mrbojangles]

whether the Brige/girlfriend relationship was still 'on' at the time he was shagging her.

They had finished but had a baby to Bridge.

I'm no big fan of Terry but in my opinion that really doesn't have nought to do with the issue at hand

[smokie36]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

Case against him sounds very thin so far. Though you can normally never predict an outcome from journos alone, they have been into him so much that you would expect them to be having a field day by now. The tenor of press comments (subdued) speaks volumes. Watch out for the 'we told you he was unfairly treated' volte face. I'm sure all you Spuds will carry on regardless with your loathing.

Remember...this bloke shagged his teammates wife. He is scum.

On a point of fact she was Bridge's girlfriend and on a point of opinion it was never clear (to me anyway, but I never studied the tabloids) whether he shagged her while Bridge was his teammate and whether the Brige/girlfriend relationship was still 'on' at the time he was shagging her. I still think you spuds are convicting him in circumstances that were never fully investigated or revealed. It's too bloody easy to get critical of what goes on in relationships when you don't know the facts and when the whole thing is being whipped up by the press.

[My motivation is that I dilsike the press and how they contort people's views. I'm, no aplogist for Terry. What happens in other people's personal relationships is of no great interest to me and I certainly don't go chucking $hit about when I am not whiter than white myself]

I am lilywhite and will therefore chuck it around wherever I see fit.

[StevieH]

Remember...this bloke shagged his teammates wife. He is scum.

not wife but he is vile. this is a good piece:

Matthew Norman: one can only marvel at just how wronged John Terry has been

Captain Marvel is the name of John Terry’s biography, and no one could pick a fight with that title.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8853809/Matthew-Norman-one-can-only-marvel-at-just-how-wronged-John-Terry-has-been.html

Marvel at his captaincy of England? You could almost literally self-detonate with mystification, like one of those malevolent computers in a Fifties sci-fi D movie that blows itself up when fed a simple paradox it cannot resolve seconds before seizing control of the Pentagon missile system and launching a thermonuclear warhead at Minsk.

At this early stage of what will be a cunningly long, drawn-out Football Association investigation into the latest allegation of racist abuse – the very first of its ilk since an eerily similar one involving Tottenham’s Ledley King five years ago – it behoves none of us to prejudge the outcome.

That said, I cannot resist the temptation to award Mr Terry the benefit of any doubt, and acclaim him the most relentlessly wronged character English football has known. False accusations have plagued him ever since he became a piece of furniture – a stout oak hatstand, to be precise, with the turning circle of an oil tanker – in the Chelsea defence.

A few days after 9/11, he was accused of drunkenly taunting American tourists about the attacks in a hotel bar. Where others might have sued for libel, he showed a mature forbearance beyond his years. In the intervening decade, this paradigm of yeoman dependability has seen his every innocent act wilfully misinterpreted.

In 2002, a pavement encounter with a nightclub bouncer, whose unrelated injuries a pathologist sourced to broken glass, led to the criminal charges of which his peers acquitted him.

Later, his generosity in inviting a female fan to join him on the back seat of his Bentley while he signed her match programme was also misconstrued. The chivalric instincts of an Arthurian knight prevented him asking her to endure the elements for as long as it took him to unsheathe his pen.

That didn’t stop malign tongues from wagging, as they would wag again over the girlfriend of then best friend Wayne Bridge. On reflection, the Camelot reference does him a disservice. Sir Lancelot actually did cuckold Arthur.

Thankfully, Terry has always had an elite corps of defenders, of whom his present Chelsea manager is the latest. In dedicating Tuesday’s League Cup win to his captain, Andre Villas-Boas struck a beautifully-judged tone of anti-siege mentality non-paranoia worthy of Jose Mourinho himself.

Others to join AVB and me in seeing only the best in him include no less acute a judge of men than Steve McClaren, who on appointing him to his first stint as England captain declared: “I’m certain I’ve got the right man in John Terry”.

So said all of us back then, as we did again in March when Fabio Capello – against whom Mr Terry was mistakenly suspected of launching a one-man mutiny during last summer’s World Cup – reappointed him to the post from which he had so rashly removed him the previous spring.

For one tremendously successful England coach to make a mistake would be unfortunate. Two is simply unimaginable. The reason Old Beetroot Face and Don Fabio came to the same correct conclusion about John Terry is respect for his resilience. He has born so many viscous, ill-founded attacks without letting them affect his game.

Admittedly, he did go AWOL for about 88 minutes of last summer’s cataclysmic 4-1 defeat to Germany. But no more than being than the only player to slip while taking a penalty in the 2008 Champions League final shoot-out was that a sign of him being a habitual big game choker.

It was a warm day in Bloemfontein, and when an admirer offered him a sun lounger, the Racing Post and a Solero on the touchline, typically he was too gallant to refuse.

Don Fabio is sticking by his skipper, and so must we all because the truly marvellous thing about his captaincy of England isn’t that it survives all the socalled evidence that he may be mildly unsuited to life as a role model.

It is that this Churchillian bulldog of a natural born leader is willing to continue performing the part on behalf of a country that treats him with such inexplicable disdain. Honestly, we do not deserve him.

[StevieH]

I haven't read much more about it than that but will be interesting to see what happens.

even terry's own lawyer appears to be confusing him. from yesterday:

http://www.standard....at-7936075.html

In a hilarious misunderstanding, Terry was asked to repeat evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career.

“Can you say, please, four times?” asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.

“Please, please, please, please,” Terry responded.

Guffaws of laughter broke out around the courtroom at the misunderstanding, which was a result of the judge asking Terry to speak up.

The footballer appeared confused by response from the courtroom.

Edited July 12, 2012 by StevieH

[oldgit]

Could someone from the Liverpool thread please post the lyrics of your song about Captain Fantastic's mum?

it references the 2006 world cup and the fact that john terry's dear shoplifter of a mother loves a scouse cock so much that the shagged both of jamie carragher's brothers while pissed up. i think she actually lives with one of them now still.

That sounds like an episode straight out of Brookside.

[carmine]

Could someone from the Liverpool thread please post the lyrics of your song about Captain Fantastic's mum?

it references the 2006 world cup and the fact that john terry's dear shoplifter of a mother loves a scouse cock so much that the shagged both of jamie carragher's brothers while pissed up. i think she actually lives with one of them now still.

That sounds like an episode straight out of Brookside.

Well this is unteresting because i for one never agreed with the media that terry would make an excellent after dinner speaker when he hangs up his boots but i really can see him as a perfect cartoon cut out london wrongun! He's be superb. Right up there with dirty den, Mitchell brothers or a southern Barry Grant

[oldgit]

Remember...this bloke shagged his teammates wife. He is scum.

not wife but he is vile. this is a good piece:

Matthew Norman: one can only marvel at just how wronged John Terry has been

Captain Marvel is the name of John Terry’s biography, and no one could pick a fight with that title.

http://www.telegraph...y-has-been.html

Marvel at his captaincy of England? You could almost literally self-detonate with mystification, like one of those malevolent computers in a Fifties sci-fi D movie that blows itself up when fed a simple paradox it cannot resolve seconds before seizing control of the Pentagon missile system and launching a thermonuclear warhead at Minsk.

At this early stage of what will be a cunningly long, drawn-out Football Association investigation into the latest allegation of racist abuse – the very first of its ilk since an eerily similar one involving Tottenham’s Ledley King five years ago – it behoves none of us to prejudge the outcome.

That said, I cannot resist the temptation to award Mr Terry the benefit of any doubt, and acclaim him the most relentlessly wronged character English football has known. False accusations have plagued him ever since he became a piece of furniture – a stout oak hatstand, to be precise, with the turning circle of an oil tanker – in the Chelsea defence.

A few days after 9/11, he was accused of drunkenly taunting American tourists about the attacks in a hotel bar. Where others might have sued for libel, he showed a mature forbearance beyond his years. In the intervening decade, this paradigm of yeoman dependability has seen his every innocent act wilfully misinterpreted.

In 2002, a pavement encounter with a nightclub bouncer, whose unrelated injuries a pathologist sourced to broken glass, led to the criminal charges of which his peers acquitted him.

Later, his generosity in inviting a female fan to join him on the back seat of his Bentley while he signed her match programme was also misconstrued. The chivalric instincts of an Arthurian knight prevented him asking her to endure the elements for as long as it took him to unsheathe his pen.

That didn’t stop malign tongues from wagging, as they would wag again over the girlfriend of then best friend Wayne Bridge. On reflection, the Camelot reference does him a disservice. Sir Lancelot actually did cuckold Arthur.

Thankfully, Terry has always had an elite corps of defenders, of whom his present Chelsea manager is the latest. In dedicating Tuesday’s League Cup win to his captain, Andre Villas-Boas struck a beautifully-judged tone of anti-siege mentality non-paranoia worthy of Jose Mourinho himself.

Others to join AVB and me in seeing only the best in him include no less acute a judge of men than Steve McClaren, who on appointing him to his first stint as England captain declared: “I’m certain I’ve got the right man in John Terry”.

So said all of us back then, as we did again in March when Fabio Capello – against whom Mr Terry was mistakenly suspected of launching a one-man mutiny during last summer’s World Cup – reappointed him to the post from which he had so rashly removed him the previous spring.

For one tremendously successful England coach to make a mistake would be unfortunate. Two is simply unimaginable. The reason Old Beetroot Face and Don Fabio came to the same correct conclusion about John Terry is respect for his resilience. He has born so many viscous, ill-founded attacks without letting them affect his game.

Admittedly, he did go AWOL for about 88 minutes of last summer’s cataclysmic 4-1 defeat to Germany. But no more than being than the only player to slip while taking a penalty in the 2008 Champions League final shoot-out was that a sign of him being a habitual big game choker.

It was a warm day in Bloemfontein, and when an admirer offered him a sun lounger, the Racing Post and a Solero on the touchline, typically he was too gallant to refuse.

Don Fabio is sticking by his skipper, and so must we all because the truly marvellous thing about his captaincy of England isn’t that it survives all the socalled evidence that he may be mildly unsuited to life as a role model.

It is that this Churchillian bulldog of a natural born leader is willing to continue performing the part on behalf of a country that treats him with such inexplicable disdain. Honestly, we do not deserve him.

Matthew Norman and I are in complete agreement.What a judge!

[smokie36]

Its dragging on a bit this isn't it? I mean the max fine is £2500.....I wonder how much money the lawyers are leeching?

I wish I'd gone down that road now....

[marstons]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

£2500 sure he will miss that, but its going to be inoccent. then the fredinand bothers go out and dine on the large chips an there shoulders.

[marstons]

He has admitted to "losing it a bit" however. Maximum fine please.

Case against him sounds very thin so far. Though you can normally never predict an outcome from journos alone, they have been into him so much that you would expect them to be having a field day by now. The tenor of press comments (subdued) speaks volumes. Watch out for the 'we told you he was unfairly treated' volte face. I'm sure all you Spuds will carry on regardless with your loathing.

Remember...this bloke shagged his teammates wife. He is scum.

Remember by her conset he shageed his england team mates EX GIRLFIREND, not present nor wife.

[rijit]

4 me One of the thing the case has shown, is the amount of verbal stick players have to deal with on the pitch,since it came out Terry shagged her, Arguably bridge virtually hasn't been able to get a game or when he did hasn't looked the same player . Could 'the stick' he's got from, other players has taken its toll?, rumour had it the same sort of thing graced Rivaldo's fall from grace, cept apparently his missus shagged a team mate and had his kid, Ego' s work in weird and wonderful ways or not so as the case maybe.

[skybluestu]

He's just been cleared, not guilty.

Sent from my GT-I9003 using Thaivisa Connect App

[Seapok]

John Terry.......NOT GUILTY!!

[marstons]

Well this is a criminal public order case. There will be an FA investigation into the use of racist language against Terry regardless of the trial.

He was acutally saying he did not use it and a court had just cleared him, FA will do nothing Sven must be laughing his socks off, on the subject of shagging theres a man. Edited July 13, 2012 by marstons

[sharecropper]

A total waste of public money.

[koheesti]

This whole thing was a COURT CASE

Well this is a criminal public order case. There will be an FA investigation into the use of racist language against Terry regardless of the trial.

I've been watching the news coverage with curiosity. Somebody is accused of racists remarks during the heat of a match and there is a criminal case made of it? Seriously?? Maybe he should play his waning years in America. There, it isn't a criminal case to be a racist. Sure, he might get a hefty fine, booted off the team/out of the league and lose respect of his teammates and millions in endorsement contracts - but at least it isn't a crime.

Edited July 13, 2012 by koheesti

[sharecropper]

An unusually pragmatic summing-up by the District Judge.

"No matter how serious the incident looks now, and how crucial the exact wording is now, at the time it was secondary to the key witnesses.

"They are professional footballers in the final minutes of a game where the result mattered to them both.

"They would naturally concentrate on the game more than on exactly what had been said to them or by them.

"There was the noise of the crowd. There is the fact that towards the end of a game players are not only physically tired they are also mentally tired. I don't need evidence to tell me that.

"It is a crucial fact that nobody has given evidence that they heard what Mr Terry said or more importantly how he said it.

"He has given effectively the same account throughout. Insofar as there are discrepancies in his account, they are understandable and natural.

"He says that he was himself wrongly accused by Mr Ferdinand on the pitch of calling him a black c***.

"He has maintained that from the beginning.

"(Terry's team mate) Mr Ashley Cole has corroborated that it was mentioned to him during the game.

"There is no doubt that reasonably soon after the game he made the accusation to Mr Ferdinand. He confirmed that basic account in a statement on the evening of the match.

"He gave a very detailed account to the FA and later to the police. He gave evidence to that effect in this court.

"There have been minor discrepancies in the account.

"It seems likely that his belief that he was wrongly accused on the pitch has strengthened as time goes by, and I have discussed that above.

"However, his account has been subject to the most searching and thorough questioning on at least three occasions.

"Nobody has been able to show that he is lying. The lip readers do not provide evidence that categorically contradicts his account.

"What may at first sight have seemed clear to the non-expert, is less clear now.

"There are limitations to lip reading, even by an expert. I have assessed John Terry as a credible witness.

"Weighing all the evidence together, I think it is highly unlikely that Mr Ferdinand accused Mr Terry on the pitch of calling him a black c***.

"However, I accept that it is possible that Mr Terry believed at the time, and believes now, that such an accusation was made.

"The prosecution evidence as to what was said by Mr Ferdinand at this point is not strong.

"Mr Cole gives corroborating (although far from compelling corroborating) evidence on this point.

"It is therefore possible that what he said was not intended as an insult, but rather as a challenge to what he believed had been said to him.

"In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty."

The Crown Prosecution Service has defended the decision to prosecute the former England captain.

Alison Saunders, chief crown prosecutor for London, said: "The very serious allegation at the heart of this case was one of racial abuse.

"It was our view that this was not 'banter' on the football pitch and that the allegation should be judged by a court.

"The Chief Magistrate agreed that Mr Terry had a case to answer, but having heard all of the evidence he acquitted Mr Terry of a racially aggravated offence.

"That is justice being done and we respect the Chief Magistrate's decision."

.

[SantiSuk]

Common sense prevails in the judiciary, if not in white van man's football-supporting moral planet, sculpted so carefully by Digger Murdoch

Edited July 13, 2012 by SantiSuk

[smokie36]

Common sense prevails in the judiciary, if not in white van man's football-supporting moral planet, sculpted so carefully by Digger Murdoch

He is guilty in my eyes just cos he plays for that lot. That's all the evidence I need.

[MAJIC]

Friday the 13th John Terry found "Not Guilty"

Another storm in a teacup comes to an end.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18827915