Brits Citizenship Application Questions, Please Help

[DavidJames1234]

Good Afternoon Forum,

I am just filling in the forms for my wife and would like to ask you a couple of questions.

To start with, does my wife need to get her Thai birth cerificate translated and attested? I ask as the required supporting documents page states:

Document checklist for naturalisation applications

This checklist is for your own reference. You do not need to submit this with your application form.

All applications

Evidence of your identity

Does evidence of identity mean we need to provide this?

Thanks

And more questions to come, if that's ok?

Dave

[7by7]

Documents required for naturalisation applications

Evidence of your identity

You should provide:

• your passport; or
  
• your nationality identity card; or
  
• your Home Office travel document; or
  
• your Home Office entitlement card; or
  
• your Home Office application registration card; or
  
• your birth certificate; or
  
• your photo driving licence; or
  
• bank, building society or credit card statements issued to you in the last 6 months.
  

Notice the word 'or', highlighted by them. Just one of these documents is enough.

If you are using her birth certificate then it should be accompanied by a certified English translation. This should done by a translation agency and show their name and contact details and be certified as correct by the translator.

Ditto for any other documents you are using if they are not in English, for example your marriage certificate if you married in Thailand.

You may find British Citizenship Basics helpful.

[DavidJames1234]

Thanks, very much appreciated.

Also, how does this list of docs to submit look to you?

Essential Documents

Original

Copies

Applicant All Passports

Yes

UK Visit visa 10 year x2

UK ILE visa x2

Info page x2

All entry stamps x2

Spouse Passport info page

Yes

X2

Spouse birth certificate

Yes

X2

Thai marriage certificate &

attested translation

Yes

Yes

X2

X2

Life in UK Certificate

Yes

X2

Photos – see Guide

Photos signed by referees also

Yes

Yes

X?

X?

Thai birth certificate?

Yes?

X2?

Support Documents?

Original

Copies

6 months bank statements

Yes

X2

National Insurance card

No

X2

Applicant Pay slips

Yes

X2

6 months bank statements

Yes

X2

Thai birth certificate?

Yes?

X2?

[7by7]

I'm sorry, but your list is formatted, on my computer at least, in such a way as to make it very difficult to read. But from what I can make out, much of it is unnecessary; pay slips for example, unless your wife is an EEA national who has been exercising a treaty right in the UK.

If she is applying on the basis that she is the spouse of a British national and has been living in the UK for at least three years then all she needs is;

• Evidence of her identity; her passport is ideal but other items on the list linked to in my previous will do.
  
• Evidence that she has satisfied KOL; whatever she used for her ILR application.
  
• Evidence that she is married to a British citizen; your passport and marriage certificate, with a certified English translation if you married in Thailand.
  
• Evidence that she has ILR, or the equivalent; her passport with the appropriate stamp in it or her residence permit, whichever.
  
• Evidence that she meets the residential requirement, her passport(s) for the last three years.
  

If she cannot provide any of the above the page I linked to earlier gives alternatives; but remember that covers all applicants, no matter the basis on which they are applying; so only look at the sections relevant to her.

If available in your area, it's worth considering applying via the Nationality Checking Service. They will check the documents supplied and advise if anything is missing. They will also copy the documents and return the originals to you there and then.

The local authority concerned will make a charge, these vary so you should check with yours.

[DavidJames1234]

Cheers 7by7

Someone have me this list of supporting docs needed, do they look right to you readers?

Essential Documents

Applicant All Passports

Spouse Passport info page

Spouse birth certificate

Thai marriage certificate &

attested translation

Life in UK Certificate

Photos – see Guide

Photos signed by referees also

Thai birth certificate

Support Documents

6 months bank statements

National Insurance card

Applicant Pay slips

BIG THANKS YOU

Edited July 28, 2012 by DavidJames1234

[7by7]

I refer you to the list in my previous post and on the UKBA page I have linked to previously. Have you read them?

[DavidJames1234]

Yes, I have - thanks for your input. As I said, another poster on another forum passed me that list and I am unsure if it is valid. Your list seems rather thin IE just my passport, her passport and our marriage certificate (with translation) and her life in uk cert.

When I think back to when she did the Indefinite leave applications, we submitted masses of documents, few of which were detailed on the UKBA website (similar to the links you provided).

Cheers

Edited July 29, 2012 by DavidJames1234

[7by7]

There is not much that needs to be shown; other checks, e.g. character references, CRB check, PAYE records etc., will be undertaken by the UKBA when they have received the application.

I have provided you with the UKBA list, as per their website, their document checklist and their application form and guidance.

It is up to you whether you want to believe the UKBA or a poster on an internt forum (this or any other).

If for her ILR application you "submitted masses of documents, few of which were detailed on the UKBA website (similar to the links you provided)." then I suspect that you submitted masses of documents, most of which were unnecessary!

[DavidJames1234]

There is not much that needs to be shown; other checks, e.g. character references, CRB check, PAYE records etc., will be undertaken by the UKBA when they have received the application.

I have provided you with the UKBA list, as per their website, their document checklist and their application form and guidance.

It is up to you whether you want to believe the UKBA or a poster on an internt forum (this or any other).

If for her ILR application you "submitted masses of documents, few of which were detailed on the UKBA website (similar to the links you provided)." then I suspect that you submitted masses of documents, most of which were unnecessary!

I guess its possible but we did indeed submit one large lever arch folder full of clearly referenced original docs, photos etc (and a second folder of copies) and the ILE was issued in 4 weeks, so it coulnt have been too far out. They returned just the originals folder.

And if you look on the UKBA website for its list of 'supporting documents', I think you will see that it is very thin hence all the discussions on forums such as this on what to supply, no?

[7by7]

I guess its possible but we did indeed submit one large lever arch folder full of clearly referenced original docs, photos etc (and a second folder of copies) and the ILE was issued in 4 weeks, so it coulnt have been too far out. They returned just the originals folder

ILE? So this was an initial visa application made outside the UK which resulted in ILE not a 27 month spouse visa? So she has never made an in UK application for ILR?

If so, then obviously more documentation would have been needed than for an ILR application made inside the UK. Even so, a full large lever arch file was way over the top, in my humble opinion.

Visa applicants have many requirements to meet and many ways of meeting the requirements, so the UKBA supporting documents list are suggestions of the type of documents required. Citizenship applications from spouses of British citizens are different; there is not much that needs to be proven!

BTW, the number of documents would have had no bearing on the length of the processing time; other than to possibly increase it. As explained elsewhere the main factor in visa processing times is the length of the queue in front of you!

But you are asking about a citizenship application. I have provided you with the official list of what is required; if you choose to not believe it, up to you.

[DavidJames1234]

ILE? So this was an initial visa application made outside the UK which resulted in ILE not a 27 month spouse visa? So she has never made an in UK application for ILR?

Yes, to all of the above. Perhaps a little more care and a little less haste before making comments like this (below) would be advisable.

I have provided you with the UKBA list, as per their website, their document checklist and their application form and guidance.

It is up to you whether you want to believe the UKBA or a poster on an internt forum (this or any other).

If for her ILR application you "submitted masses of documents, few of which were detailed on the UKBA website (similar to the links you provided)." then I suspect that you submitted masses of documents, most of which were unnecessary!

And I make that criticism based soley on your posting as a 'poster' not on your moderation policy as the forum 'morderator'. I trust that is acceptable?

If so, then obviously more documentation would have been needed than for an ILR application made inside the UK. Even so, a full large lever arch file was way over the top, in my humble opinion.

Again, pure assumtion - you do not know what was included in this folder. Point in case, it was suggested that the UKBA would want copies of all my wife's visa stamps with regards countries she had travlled to. Over the previous 5 years she had made 72 overseas trips, thats a lot of copied paper. Also, we have been together 20 years, a photo a year on one A4 sheet is a further 20 pages. My wife also owns a number of properties in the UK - providing that evidence also took up space, as did evidencing our joint net worth.

BTW, the number of documents would have had no bearing on the length of the processing time; other than to possibly increase it.

Nonsensical statement.

if you choose to not believe it, up to you.

I choose to use your input as but one source.

Edited July 29, 2012 by DavidJames1234

[7by7]

DavidJames, I have answered your questions; even though some of the information you have subsequently given is irrelevant or contradictory.

I refuse to be drawn into a childish exchange with you.

You have been given the information you originally requested; up to you what you do with it.

My last post in this topic.

[DavidJames1234]

DavidJames, I have answered your questions; even though some of the information you have subsequently given is irrelevant or contradictory.

Contradictory? As I said, more care, less haste and a little less assumption when reading and responding, 7by7.

I do not care for your passive agressive responses.

Have a nice day, the sun's shining, perhaps you need a walk or a nice pint in a beer garden.

Cheerio.

[feasantplukka]

Hi just put in this morning citizenship application through the checking service, unlike the previous settlement/ ILR applications hardly any documents are required as 7by7 states, passports wifes/mine, marriage cert, & life in uk cert, looked sparce but was sufficient, just like to thank such people as 7 by7 for the free advice & time they spend answering posts on here, I have put together every visa through advice given on this forum & have had succes each time, many thanks to 7by7 for his very good advice I didnt understand why the op cudn't grasp your advice if he new better why ask ?