buggerlugs Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Regarding the acid. Look up 'Haigh, the acid bath murderer' He used sulphuric acid to dispose of his victims. It did not dissolve a denture plate or Gallstones and theses were used as evidence against him. The rest of the remains were just sludge. Uk members might remember Martin Clunes playing Haigh in a TV drama a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopperboy Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 He is not Thai so denying the charges will not give him much leverage but will probably go against him unless of course someone in the food chain of the Thai judicial system is getting some cash. My money is on a cash deal that causes an acquittal. Clearly there is a lack of evidence against him - and we all know that TV m**s are honest upstanding individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) most plausible is... she was buried somewhere, then taken out... the few remaining body parts where washed a few times and then put into some sort of "acid", to remove insects and dirt... finally, the box was placed at doskets house... how convenient... and - as the victims gun and 58 bullets were found next to that box in doksets basement bathroom - we can assume, that she was shot to death with her own weapon... and - as the victims family found blood stains in her car (and these were so much and many, that they assumed from then, she had been murdered), lets assume, the victim was transported in her own car to her initial burial/hiding place... Have you ever read the initial report? He stated he placed the body in the wheelie bin after she died & it was in his house for about 2 1/2 years. It is likely he panicked after the accident or murder & he also said he blotted it out of his mind afterwards. if anyone blotted her out of their minds, then a.) her family b.) her (ex-)husband, the father of their common little child... neither of them wouldnt look for her - for years... neither of them ever asked dokset if he had seen her... well, its the usual thing people do, when someone is missing... walking to everyone and asking... and - looking into their face, looking for signs.. for clues... nothing, but then, that day... the police raided doksets house and - oops - found a wheelie bin with a few remains... next to her gun... Edited August 1, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 were doksets fingerprints found on the wheelie bin? whose fingerprints were on it? were his fingerprints found on her gun? any fingerprints there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cup-O-coffee Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 a Jealous Rage is in fact a very Plausable defense in the hands of a very gifted criminal attorney. Case of Successful criminal cases have in fact been won in a criminal court of law in the U.S.A. Here in Thailand I is hard to believe they have exceptional criminal attorneys. It is more likely that big bucks have or will be changing hands. After all this is Thailand, and History here like almost all history in the world makes the rules. Until the public has the gutts to change it. And we all know, Thais have away of looking the other way. What was that famous saying on Star Treck from the Borg, "Resistance is Futile." Or rather, "“If you make them think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.” -Harlan Ellison This case has probably elevated all the way up the food chain because it requires too much thinking. Much better to simplify it with politics and money, since that what most human life forms (whether alive or not) in this country seem to be utilized for as a means to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Did he end her life? He said he did. All charges against him will focus on this testimonial fact. One wonders how it is possible to get leniency in Thailand for a crime of passion, or temporary insanity. Does Thailand even have that on the docket for a sound form of defense, or are all "life-ending" crimes simply lumped into one singular category. It is frustrating that we cannot be the fly on the wall and be able to witness the moments that led up to her dissolution. Can one make another so crazy that the act of life-taking is imminent? Apparently so. Mr. Dokset must pay the penalty for something. He seems to think it should not be the ultimate penalty, but is he willing to settle for the alternatives? Will he be able to justify his act in his soul for the remainder of his life here? I know one thing; there are times when rage overtakes me and I am in a situation where one split-second wrong move or decision can set off a chain of events that might cause irreversible suffering and regret. Thank the stars my better part of my nature comes to my aid swiftly. Have not even one of you ever experienced rage here that was triggered by the behavior of the locals; rage so extreme that criminal thoughts practically obscured your sense of morality and ethics... even for a split-second? That's all it takes, and the odds are against "pulling back" in time if this occurs frequently. If they had been constantly fighting and she was doing "the little things that women know how to do to really get under a man's skin" then I am sure that Mr. Dokset's last act of rage was a culmination of all of these mad acts aimed at him with premeditation. It is quite possible that Mr. Dokset went too far due to being provoked to that point. I am certain that most readers understand how Thai women are exceptionally adept at bringing out the worst in our natures when their psychotic moods flair up. If you do not know, then you are lucky. They can be absolutely brutal to one's ability to think clearly. That's not the point, but one must consider whether this was an act of pure rage, in a moment where ones decision making abilities were impaired, and one critical act was carried out which set off a chain of events that is causing irreversible suffering and regret. Keeping the body suggests a bit of insanity. However, were I to submit to a bit of road rage that I experience all the time while driving here Thailand, I would undoubtedly (albeit unwillingly) set off a chain of events that would lead to irreversible suffering and regret. Yet I am certain that the Thais would merely see this as an opportunity to further their greed and avarice. So yes; this is a very complicated case; not only because I have the opinion that he was mentally impaired by extreme rage, and erupted, but also because I have serious doubts as to the ability of the prosecutor to have an objective mind and use one's mental state as a factor of consideration for what took place. You should write novels !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Am I missing something in this case of the 2 Thai guys killing the Australian ladies ? They have now withdrawn their confessions and are now in denial ? That could spell death sentences in found guilty and the evidence against them [CCTV footage], one would think, looked quite compelling They are probably denying the 'murder' charge, which denotes premeditation. The move by Dokset to deny all charges against him came on the same day, in the same court, that the confessed killers of Australian travel agent Michelle Smith denied all charges against them for the stabbing murder of Ms Smith in a botched bag-snatch on June 20. As for this other guy using accidentally” killing her in a fit of jealous rage as an excuse is a non - starter IMO. I thought that murder was killing with intent ? Not premeditated intent to kill. Still confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 were doksets fingerprints found on the wheelie bin? whose fingerprints were on it? were his fingerprints found on her gun? any fingerprints there? Not sure if you have seen this thread but it may help answer your questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Too bad he's not one of Chalerm's sons - he'd be forgiven and given a government job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge2bridge Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Am I missing something in this case of the 2 Thai guys killing the Australian ladies ? They have now withdrawn their confessions and are now in denial ? That could spell death sentences in found guilty and the evidence against them [CCTV footage], one would think, looked quite compelling The move by Dokset to deny all charges against him came on the same day, in the same court, that the confessed killers of Australian travel agent Michelle Smith denied all charges against them for the stabbing murder of Ms Smith in a botched bag-snatch on June 20. As for this other guy using accidentally” killing her in a fit of jealous rage as an excuse is a non - starter IMO. Well. If he really did kill her accidentally then it's a very good defence to the charge of Murder. The difference is pre-meditation, so it's quite possible that he's innocent of "Murder" but guilty of another offence such as unlawful killing or manslaughter. Murder is murder. the victim is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge2bridge Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Did he end her life? He said he did. All charges against him will focus on this testimonial fact. One wonders how it is possible to get leniency in Thailand for a crime of passion, or temporary insanity. Does Thailand even have that on the docket for a sound form of defense, or are all "life-ending" crimes simply lumped into one singular category. It is frustrating that we cannot be the fly on the wall and be able to witness the moments that led up to her dissolution. Can one make another so crazy that the act of life-taking is imminent? Apparently so. Mr. Dokset must pay the penalty for something. He seems to think it should not be the ultimate penalty, but is he willing to settle for the alternatives? Will he be able to justify his act in his soul for the remainder of his life here? I know one thing; there are times when rage overtakes me and I am in a situation where one split-second wrong move or decision can set off a chain of events that might cause irreversible suffering and regret. Thank the stars my better part of my nature comes to my aid swiftly. Have not even one of you ever experienced rage here that was triggered by the behavior of the locals; rage so extreme that criminal thoughts practically obscured your sense of morality and ethics... even for a split-second? That's all it takes, and the odds are against "pulling back" in time if this occurs frequently. If they had been constantly fighting and she was doing "the little things that women know how to do to really get under a man's skin" then I am sure that Mr. Dokset's last act of rage was a culmination of all of these mad acts aimed at him with premeditation. It is quite possible that Mr. Dokset went too far due to being provoked to that point. I am certain that most readers understand how Thai women are exceptionally adept at bringing out the worst in our natures when their psychotic moods flair up. If you do not know, then you are lucky. They can be absolutely brutal to one's ability to think clearly. That's not the point, but one must consider whether this was an act of pure rage, in a moment where ones decision making abilities were impaired, and one critical act was carried out which set off a chain of events that is causing irreversible suffering and regret. Keeping the body suggests a bit of insanity. However, were I to submit to a bit of road rage that I experience all the time while driving here Thailand, I would undoubtedly (albeit unwillingly) set off a chain of events that would lead to irreversible suffering and regret. Yet I am certain that the Thais would merely see this as an opportunity to further their greed and avarice. So yes; this is a very complicated case; not only because I have the opinion that he was mentally impaired by extreme rage, and erupted, but also because I have serious doubts as to the ability of the prosecutor to have an objective mind and use one's mental state as a factor of consideration for what took place. You should write novels !!! RAGE is a POOR defence for MURDER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Am I missing something in this case of the 2 Thai guys killing the Australian ladies ? They have now withdrawn their confessions and are now in denial ? That could spell death sentences in found guilty and the evidence against them [CCTV footage], one would think, looked quite compelling The move by Dokset to deny all charges against him came on the same day, in the same court, that the confessed killers of Australian travel agent Michelle Smith denied all charges against them for the stabbing murder of Ms Smith in a botched bag-snatch on June 20. As for this other guy using accidentally” killing her in a fit of jealous rage as an excuse is a non - starter IMO. Well. If he really did kill her accidentally then it's a very good defence to the charge of Murder. The difference is pre-meditation, so it's quite possible that he's innocent of "Murder" but guilty of another offence such as unlawful killing or manslaughter. Murder is murder. the victim is dead. I am no lawyer or law guru. But from where I come from it is murder. And from what I seen on the CCTV footage I would,if I was on the jury, have no problems finding the guy that did the knifing guilty of murder.The rider guy I couldn't. The original defence of " he was using the knife to cut the handbag away " just doesn't cut it with me. If it does then may I please have a go at cutting a handbag of this dirtbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidstipek Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 apparently, they havent found the whole body in that plastic box... only some parts of it, and it was mentioned that some sort of "acid" might have been used (or so)... there is no such acid, which destroyes bones and things but no regular plastic box... im not sure, if there is even any acid anywhere available which does destroy a body completely, then maybe in a emaille-bathtub or so... given the utterly strange time frame, set by the "husband", the family and the "law-firm", it appears, that she was murdered, digged under somewhere by her murderer... as she had three children, a plan to get some money was prepared... the body was located and the few limbs found were put into a plastic box and driven to doksets house... when the financial background of dokset was figured out by the "pro`s", the police was sent to doksets house - who, against all odds, refused to pay ... (?) ...the rest of the story is in the paper... i believe dokset is in danger in prison... if he doesnt confess and the case goes into trouble he might be at a serious risk... Your grammar is dodgy so I assume that English isn't your native tongue but you seem to be suggesting that there's no acid available that can dissolve a corpse as well as no container that can hold such a corrosive. This is to bolster your claim that somehow the guy is a victim of a frame-up by his former girlfriends ex- husband, family and the relevant bodies of law and judicial enforcement. I think this is what is being implied: "Maybe boyfriend is reason Lady had left her Husband. Then to Pay-Back... Ex-Husband wait's for an opening after sufficient time has expired to not readily jump to the Jealous Husband conclusion. Then he either has her Killed and quartered, or does it himself. Later moves sections of the body to be secured in Boyfriends flat. Uses acid to remove traces of any soil or where she was stored prior to being so aptly discovered locked in Boyfriends basement...." The part that is the sticker for this suggestion is: "If he killed her, why would he keep parts, or anything to tie him to the deed" I could have gone being in Phuket, gone out to sea and disposed of the remains, by the time anyone found anything it would have been blamed on Sharks. Remember all the Bodies that disapeared after the Sunami??? They went somewhere... never to be found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) it seems also strange, that the decomposing remains in the bin wouldnt smell? this must have really been the most phenomenal "acid" solution... has any killer ever stored a body for two years in the house, without having the distinct decomposition smell everywhere? ladies and gentlemen here we go again: the norwegian DOKSET on phuket GOT IT DONE... no decomposition smell, while the body was disappearing into nowhere... some wheelie bin, some "acid"... thats it... ( decomposition smell is quite distinct and further - it never goes away... you have to pull down tapestry, rip out the flooring... it CANT be "washed off" ) Edited August 1, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyman Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Sad. Its pretty bad when the cops find the corps of your EX girlfriend in your house, no matter what country you are in. Especially when that ex-girlfriend had already a new boyfriend who is with the Royal Thai Police..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 in court the proscecutor has to prove, that... the "acid" used is able to dissolve a body as it has been found in that bin... has this magical substance been revealed? you know what? thai court doesnt stand the tiniest chance, to convict him for anything... the whole case just screams "FRAMED" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 you know what? thai court doesnt stand the tiniest chance, to convict him for anything... the whole case just screams "FRAMED" ! Yeah, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) were doksets fingerprints found on the wheelie bin? whose fingerprints were on it? were his fingerprints found on her gun? any fingerprints there? No fingerprints. He's obviously totally innocent. But for some reason, he confessed to the crime in the beginning, but then changed his mind. Maybe he remembered that he used gloves (no fingerprints), who knows? Edited August 2, 2012 by Semper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) he can have confessed and reenacted whatever... i can confess to that murder and reenact the crime, too... not really rocket science, as it isnt known how she died... the court has to prove his guilt... and they CANT... Edited August 2, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) he can even say, they were watching tv and she got a heart attack... nobody can prove otherwise... any "injuries" to the skull or other bones can have happened after death, when disposing her to the basement... or she got the heart attack at the top of the stairs, and fell them down... or she slipped on the stairs and fell... prosecution has to prove the opposite... Edited August 2, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 the court has to prove his guilt... and they CANT... There is plenty of circumstantial evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoDogz Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 He didn't show an ounce of moderation did he, callous bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 he can even say, they were watching tv and she got a heart attack... But he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) not circumstantial but substantial evidence is asked for, when he recanted his confession... and he is free to recant and change his statement 5,000,000 times and more... an accused is free to lie all day... the prosecutor has to prove 1.) it was murder/homicide/manslaughter and 2.) that wiki has done it... otherwise, all left is something like... a.) not reporting the death of a person b.) storing a dead body in a residential area ...which both can be explained by his extended "blotting out" abilities... if the prosecutor cant prove 1. and 2. then he possibly can demand compensation for being imprisoned for so long and for the damage to his reputation... ? Edited August 2, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 not circumstantial but substantial evidence is asked for, when he recanted his confession... and he is free to recant and change his statement 5,000,000 times and more... an accused is free to lie all day... the prosecutor has to prove 1.) it was murder/homicide/manslaughter and 2.) that wiki has done it... otherwise, all left is something like... a.) not reporting the death of a person b.) storing a dead body in a residential area ...which both can be explained by his extended "blotting out" abilities... if the prosecutor cant prove 1. and 2. then he possibly can demand compensation for being imprisoned for so long and for the damage to his reputation... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunMichael Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Tons of speculation here... No one can tell what really happened. But one thing I can say for sure, as an old neighbour of Dokset in Kata. He is arrogant, cocky and treat others (especially Thai girl) like a colonial master. He is also a very choleric man (especially when drunk). So I would not be surprised, if... It fits. Edited August 2, 2012 by KhunMichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Was the whole body in the bin ? If not, why not ? If the whole body is/was not in the bin why keep some parts ? Why keep her mobile near the bin ? Why keep the gun in her name near the bin ? Did the bin arrive at this house whilst he was living at another of their houses ? Are there his prints on the bin ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 not circumstantial but substantial evidence is asked for, when he recanted his confession... and he is free to recant and change his statement 5,000,000 times and more... an accused is free to lie all day... the prosecutor has to prove 1.) it was murder/homicide/manslaughter and 2.) that wiki has done it... otherwise, all left is something like... a.) not reporting the death of a person b.) storing a dead body in a residential area ...which both can be explained by his extended "blotting out" abilities... if the prosecutor cant prove 1. and 2. then he possibly can demand compensation for being imprisoned for so long and for the damage to his reputation... ? Storing a dead body in a residential area and then demanding compensation ?. I would just like to thank you for being such an entertaining poster that is incredibly passionate about the theories you believe. Even if they are very very strange theories 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I didn't realize they gave prisoners in Phuket access to the Internet. Must be some swanky place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 (edited) I didn't realize they gave prisoners in Phuket access to the Internet. Must be some swanky place. I have been thinking the same ever since he joined in on this thread. Only a member since last month although he does have the right to stick up for him or himself. Edited August 3, 2012 by Valentine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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