Accused Child Abuser, 93, Caught Fleeing Into Burma

[simple1]

if you look at the original press reports from 2010 they state, in part, "some photos showed the elderly man posing naked with other children, and police are trying to identify them and contact their families, Kritapol said. He said police were investigating if Kraus was part of a pedophilia network, noting many of the pictures were emailed overseas". So the Royal Thai Police do have some forensic evidence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz22jTzD6CA

Way to much discussion on the mechanics of rape based on his age. As we know rape can be oral, digital and so on. Also if he had enough nous to cross illegally into and stay in Myanmar, surely he was capable of getting to the Australian Embassy in BKK. Given Australian criminal law regards child sex in overseas countries you just have to have a question mark. This guy is being way to clever to be believable in his claims of innocence and lack of mental competence. With the Australian Embassy providing consular support for the accused, a Court will decide whether he is Innocent or not

Edited August 6, 2012 by simple1

[ozziebloke]

well the police do say they have more than a 100 pictures seized from him with naked kiddies on them and him posing, and lets face it Thai police are not exactly famous for wanting to overwork so the ver fact they bothered to chase him at all indicates something I would guess..... but yes of course give him a fair trail before putting him out of his misery or not.

Playing devils advocate here, who took the photos? Perhaps the ones trying to extort money? Maybe, maybe not. Is this guy even lucid enough to know what's going on. Alzheimer's patients have a tendency to disrobe, act out violently and exhibit bizarre behaviors like wandering off. I had a case once where Alzheimer patient climbed out of laundry room window and was found dead months later in a swamp upright stuck in waist deep mud.

Where has it been written anywhere he suffers from Alzheimers or any other mental health issues ?

[BookMan]

if you look at the original press reports from 2010 they state, in part, "some photos showed the elderly man posing naked with other children, and police are trying to identify them and contact their families, Kritapol said. He said police were investigating if Kraus was part of a pedophilia network, noting many of the pictures were emailed overseas". So the Royal Thai Police do have some forensic evidence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz22jTzD6CA

Way to much discussion on the mechanics of rape based on his age. As we know rape can be oral, digital and so on. Also if he had enough nous to cross illegally into and stay in Myanmar, surely he was capable of getting to the Australian Embassy in BKK. Given Australian criminal law regards child sex in overseas countries you just have to have a question mark. This guy is being way to clever to be believable in his claims of innocence and lack of mental competence. With the Australian Embassy providing consular support for the accused, a Court will decide whether he is Innocent or not

A great post from simple1

Research shows paedophiles rarely stop offending, regardless of their age. So all the people who feel sad for a child molester who is old, because he is old, think again. Asia is a magnet for peadophiles because they have easy access to children and can often buy their way out of trouble.

The discussion of whether he was in an able state, age and phyiscally, to 'rape' or 'have sex' with children really is ludicrous. As simple has stated, rape takes many forms.

[ozziebloke]

Shame on anyone condemning anyone before there is a verdict cast and a guilt put upon this man.

I was excited to see the poster talking about 'hyper sexuality' in dementia patients. Hyper sexuality or at least more frisk in dementia sufferers may be true, but yet as is it in those with downs syndrome, those with hormonal problems, those with nymphomania, those who are deprived of sexual contact for any period of time, and basically any healthy young adult.

Does that therefore mean, we must take a possible disposition to downright vilify this old man, or in this case anyone at all, before we know all the facts, and say he or others are guilty with little more than a report and hype? Well of course not.

Using a possible side effect, of a possible medical condition (I say possible here because of the 'quotes' the police gave), as a way of demonising someone with little other than an accusation and a news story is disgusting.

Back to the brackets, the quotes from the man gave pretty sharp responses to his then current situation. He was saying he wanted to go back to Burma, from where he came. He was asking for an embassy member, demonstrating he was fully aware not only of his situation, but showing he autonomously recognized requiring help, and responded to the circumstance with accurate remarks concerning those who could help him.

Also see the other post by Buchholz, he summarizes nicely.

It is easy to go with the tide, relinquishing ourselves of the responsibility of critical analysis in a time like this, taking mass votes of 'charged therefore guilty' and just going with it, but this is the time we must be vigilant in the condemnation of this man.

I would start by asking only this.

Why should we be condemning an old man when he faced accusations of rape?

Well, I plan to go into medicine, but it doesnt take me, a doctor, or a genius to work out that if a man, of any age over 18, 'raped' a girl of FIVE, that proper medical examination and evaluation of the victim would yield undeniable results.

Rape is forced sexual intercourse, for those unschooled that is the penis inside the vagina, not only touching or fondling. The child would have suffered a torn vagina, there would be pubic hairs left on the child or in the childs clothing, or maybe semen samples that would of course match the old man.

That would be a pretty hard case to deny, if such were true, but as of yet no such case has been put forward, only accusation.

Let us see how this turns out, and let us wish for the old man that he is treat with respect and given the proper means to defend himself instead of allowing bias and other such to strip him of any right that we would all fight to preserve.

Where do you get your expertise from ? rape of a child does not alwsays involve sexual intercourse! (Wikipidia:

Child sexual abuse is a form of child abuse in which an adult or older adolescent uses a child for sexual stimulation.^[1][2] Forms of child sexual abuse include asking or pressuring a child to engage in sexual activities (regardless of the outcome), indecent exposure (of the genitals, female nipples, etc.) to a child with intent to gratify their own sexual desires or to intimidate or groom the child, physical sexual contact with a child, or using a child to produce child pornography.^{[1][3][4] )}

[maidu]

Someone earlier made an interesting point; if parents/guardians of the kids are found to have been complicit (in soliciting their kids and/or demanding bribes to keep quiet), then procecutions are in order there.

[softgeorge]

if you look at the original press reports from 2010 they state, in part, "some photos showed the elderly man posing naked with other children, and police are trying to identify them and contact their families, Kritapol said. He said police were investigating if Kraus was part of a pedophilia network, noting many of the pictures were emailed overseas". So the Royal Thai Police do have some forensic evidence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz22jTzD6CA

Way to much discussion on the mechanics of rape based on his age. As we know rape can be oral, digital and so on. Also if he had enough nous to cross illegally into and stay in Myanmar, surely he was capable of getting to the Australian Embassy in BKK. Given Australian criminal law regards child sex in overseas countries you just have to have a question mark. This guy is being way to clever to be believable in his claims of innocence and lack of mental competence. With the Australian Embassy providing consular support for the accused, a Court will decide whether he is Innocent or not

A great post from simple1

Research shows paedophiles rarely stop offending, regardless of their age. So all the people who feel sad for a child molester who is old, because he is old, think again. Asia is a magnet for peadophiles because they have easy access to children and can often buy their way out of trouble.

The discussion of whether he was in an able state, age and phyiscally, to 'rape' or 'have sex' with children really is ludicrous. As simple has stated, rape takes many forms.

I despise rockspiders they are the lowest form of life on the planet. We have them in the cells and are required to treat them with respect which annoys me and every other police officer I know.

[pattayadingo]

if you look at the original press reports from 2010 they state, in part, "some photos showed the elderly man posing naked with other children, and police are trying to identify them and contact their families, Kritapol said. He said police were investigating if Kraus was part of a pedophilia network, noting many of the pictures were emailed overseas". So the Royal Thai Police do have some forensic evidence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz22jTzD6CA

Way to much discussion on the mechanics of rape based on his age. As we know rape can be oral, digital and so on. Also if he had enough nous to cross illegally into and stay in Myanmar, surely he was capable of getting to the Australian Embassy in BKK. Given Australian criminal law regards child sex in overseas countries you just have to have a question mark. This guy is being way to clever to be believable in his claims of innocence and lack of mental competence. With the Australian Embassy providing consular support for the accused, a Court will decide whether he is Innocent or not

I also noticed - as you have said - in the fuller article

Police allege they seized more than 100 photographs of naked children, including some with him posing with them.

If that is so this is one sick man and needs to be off the streets and in custody.

[Nisa]

Not that there is any suggestion in any of the news accounts that this guys suffers from Alzheimer... in fact everything to suggest he is fairly shrewd and at least at the time of his arrest very mentally and physically fit for a senior ... but I have never heard that a symptom of Alzheimer being molesting children.

[softgeorge]

Not that there is any suggestion in any of the news accounts that this guys suffers from Alzheimer... in fact everything to suggest he is fairly shrewd and at least at the time of his arrest very mentally and physically fit for a senior ... but I have never heard that a symptom of Alzheimer being molesting children.

Agree he isn't suffering from alzheimers as he has his wits about him. He organised himself to flee the country fully understanding what he was doing. In my experience with alzheimer sufferers they have no understanding of the present. I have been called to many missing person incidents (from nursing homes) involving such people and 9/10 of the sufferers always returned to an address from years gone by even if they had not resided there for 10 or more years. The only thing they knew was the building

[TwoDogz]

Shame on anyone condemning anyone before there is a verdict cast and a guilt put upon this man.

I was excited to see the poster talking about 'hyper sexuality' in dementia patients. Hyper sexuality or at least more frisk in dementia sufferers may be true, but yet as is it in those with downs syndrome, those with hormonal problems, those with nymphomania, those who are deprived of sexual contact for any period of time, and basically any healthy young adult.

Does that therefore mean, we must take a possible disposition to downright vilify this old man, or in this case anyone at all, before we know all the facts, and say he or others are guilty with little more than a report and hype? Well of course not.

Using a possible side effect, of a possible medical condition (I say possible here because of the 'quotes' the police gave), as a way of demonising someone with little other than an accusation and a news story is disgusting.

Back to the brackets, the quotes from the man gave pretty sharp responses to his then current situation. He was saying he wanted to go back to Burma, from where he came. He was asking for an embassy member, demonstrating he was fully aware not only of his situation, but showing he autonomously recognized requiring help, and responded to the circumstance with accurate remarks concerning those who could help him.

Also see the other post by Buchholz, he summarizes nicely.

It is easy to go with the tide, relinquishing ourselves of the responsibility of critical analysis in a time like this, taking mass votes of 'charged therefore guilty' and just going with it, but this is the time we must be vigilant in the condemnation of this man.

I would start by asking only this.

Why should we be condemning an old man when he faced accusations of rape?

Well, I plan to go into medicine, but it doesnt take me, a doctor, or a genius to work out that if a man, of any age over 18, 'raped' a girl of FIVE, that proper medical examination and evaluation of the victim would yield undeniable results.

Rape is forced sexual intercourse, for those unschooled that is the penis inside the vagina, not only touching or fondling. The child would have suffered a torn vagina, there would be pubic hairs left on the child or in the childs clothing, or maybe semen samples that would of course match the old man.

That would be a pretty hard case to deny, if such were true, but as of yet no such case has been put forward, only accusation.

Let us see how this turns out, and let us wish for the old man that he is treat with respect and given the proper means to defend himself instead of allowing bias and other such to strip him of any right that we would all fight to preserve.

We are not in the west Dorothy.

I believe, but not an expert, that in Thailand insertion of anything, finger, toe or broomstick is considered rape.

[Nisa]

Shame on anyone condemning anyone before there is a verdict cast and a guilt put upon this man.

I was excited to see the poster talking about 'hyper sexuality' in dementia patients. Hyper sexuality or at least more frisk in dementia sufferers may be true, but yet as is it in those with downs syndrome, those with hormonal problems, those with nymphomania, those who are deprived of sexual contact for any period of time, and basically any healthy young adult.

Does that therefore mean, we must take a possible disposition to downright vilify this old man, or in this case anyone at all, before we know all the facts, and say he or others are guilty with little more than a report and hype? Well of course not.

Using a possible side effect, of a possible medical condition (I say possible here because of the 'quotes' the police gave), as a way of demonising someone with little other than an accusation and a news story is disgusting.

Back to the brackets, the quotes from the man gave pretty sharp responses to his then current situation. He was saying he wanted to go back to Burma, from where he came. He was asking for an embassy member, demonstrating he was fully aware not only of his situation, but showing he autonomously recognized requiring help, and responded to the circumstance with accurate remarks concerning those who could help him.

Also see the other post by Buchholz, he summarizes nicely.

It is easy to go with the tide, relinquishing ourselves of the responsibility of critical analysis in a time like this, taking mass votes of 'charged therefore guilty' and just going with it, but this is the time we must be vigilant in the condemnation of this man.

I would start by asking only this.

Why should we be condemning an old man when he faced accusations of rape?

Well, I plan to go into medicine, but it doesnt take me, a doctor, or a genius to work out that if a man, of any age over 18, 'raped' a girl of FIVE, that proper medical examination and evaluation of the victim would yield undeniable results.

Rape is forced sexual intercourse, for those unschooled that is the penis inside the vagina, not only touching or fondling. The child would have suffered a torn vagina, there would be pubic hairs left on the child or in the childs clothing, or maybe semen samples that would of course match the old man.

That would be a pretty hard case to deny, if such were true, but as of yet no such case has been put forward, only accusation.

Let us see how this turns out, and let us wish for the old man that he is treat with respect and given the proper means to defend himself instead of allowing bias and other such to strip him of any right that we would all fight to preserve.

We are not in the west Dorothy.

I believe, but not an expert, that in Thailand insertion of anything, finger, toe or broomstick is considered rape.

You are right.

As stated by the police regarding this case, the use of a foreign object is also considered rape in Thailand.

As also stated in this case, the rapes were not uncovered until later when the parents questioned the kids about their fear of going outside. There would be no sperm to collect or not much in the way of medical evidence since girls hymens can and often do tear before their first sexual encounter.

As for being Hyper-Sexual or even nymphomania or missing sex do not in any way shape or form related to rape or child molesting.

I find it interesting the lengths some people will go to try to find the guy innocent when they haven't even read the OP let alone other news reports from this case. Sure it is possible the three girls are lying, sure it is possible the hundred photos / videos he had in his house were planted, sure it is possible the photos he emailed over seas were somebody else who hacked his computer, sure it is possible the photos of him with naked children were fake or he was forced to pose, sure it is also possible the maid is lying along with the children, cops and victims, sure it is possible he was fleeing the country because he is innocent, sure it is possible he is like a Michael Jackson who just enjoyed having other people's children in his home ... Sure anything is possible but not too likely. He certainly deserves a trial but I also think the victims deserve to not have people going to extraordinary lengths to discredit them.

[cmsally]

I think we should wait with baited breath for the police to release the pictures. The police saying they found images and actually having the images is another thing.

There are so many things that seem really strange about this story. I remember the news stories reported about a missing farang woman quite a few years ago. They said (and the police were giving them this info) that she had been abducted by a gang on Khaosan Rd. She actually was found in a hole near a temple in Kanchanaburi - murdered by a monk. When it comes to police and new reports, fiction and reality are sometimes indecipherable.

[Nisa]

I think we should wait with baited breath for the police to release the pictures. The police saying they found images and actually having the images is another thing.

There are so many things that seem really strange about this story.

Curious what are the "so many things that seem really strange about this story" ? I really don't see anything at all strange and in fact it sounds like a text book case right down to how he is alleged to have went about procuring the children to the child porn they found to his believing he is the victim. Okay, the guy is old and that makes it a bit more unique but being a pedophile is not something one grows out of and it is not like you stop having desires when you get old but rather it is an issue of being able to physically fulfill those desires.

Edit: Well I admit if you still believe you are in the west then there could be things that are strange such as a foreigner being allowed out on bail for such serious crimes and his claim of being able to make restitution to the victim's family with the police taking their usual percentage for brokering the deal but this is just the way things are sometimes done here. It is about as common as old western pedophiles coming to this part of the world for the easier access to children.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Nisa

[animatic]

I think we should wait with baited breath for the police to release the pictures. The police saying they found images and actually having the images is another thing.

There are so many things that seem really strange about this story.

Curious what are the "so many things that seem really strange about this story" ? I really don't see anything at all strange and in fact it sounds like a text book case right down to how he is alleged to have went about procuring the children to the child porn they found to his believing he is the victim. Okay, the guy is old and that makes it a bit more unique but being a pedophile is not something one grows out of and it is not like you stop having desires when you get old but rather it is an issue of being able to physically fulfill those desires.

Edit: Well I admit if you still believe you are in the west then there could be things that are strange such as a foreigner being allowed out on bail for such serious crimes and his claim of being able to make restitution to the victim's family with the police taking their usual percentage for brokering the deal but this is just the way things are sometimes done here. It is about as common as old western pedophiles coming to this part of the world for the easier access to children.

Noting the propensity if the BiB to splash the goriest of pictures across the newspapers,

to the point of showing a young lady tied down endwise to a railroad track, and split into left an right by a train, and at most fog or blur the rudest parts, sometimes, but not alway;

Why haven't they hung this old bloke out to dry with 3 or 4 redacted examples of their evidence????

Edited August 6, 2012 by animatic

[Reasonableman]

If they did publish redacted photos, in which the individuals would hopefully be unidentifiable, would it change anyone's mind, prove or disprove anything? Please don't tempt them, they just might try it for the publicity.

[Considered Opinion]

Seems like I remember this story. Was there not some issue of frame up. I think pedophiles should burn and get castrated, but there was something peculiar about this case if who I think it is besides the fact he is 93, impotent, senile and had money.

In fact getting it up would take more energy than any 93 year old I ever met could muster.

You discussed erectile performance with 93 year olds ?.

Goodness... a wit. No dear, I can read.

[transam]

Seems like I remember this story. Was there not some issue of frame up. I think pedophiles should burn and get castrated, but there was something peculiar about this case if who I think it is besides the fact he is 93, impotent, senile and had money.

In fact getting it up would take more energy than any 93 year old I ever met could muster.

You discussed erectile performance with 93 year olds ?.

Goodness... a wit. No dear, I can read.

Me too, read your post.

[Considered Opinion]

I state again, this time without the invective, that the 'hang 'em high' brigade would seem to have major issues of their own...which I find disgusting.

All that needs to be said , you said it.

Haha, is it so hard to accept the possibility of Thai corruption and extortion or does that never happen in Thailand. I will admit prejudice. If this story happened in US, I would not question it as it is very unlikely to get both extortion and police cover up and extortion of their own. Old dude did report in prior article that the cops extorted 450,000 baht from him and then took his bank book and wiped out his bank account.

May all be malarky and perhaps dude did it an no one took his money. Just sad stateoif affairs when people like us reading this stuff have doubts about the integrity and veracity of the Thai authorities. No one to blame but themselves.

Not sure if you are joking or not... are you new to LOS? And to TV?

Edited August 6, 2012 by Considered Opinion

[Credo]

There's been a lot of speculation about this guy and his mental and physical state.

If he is suffering from dementia of some type, it is progressive. He would not lose his faculties all at once. One of the early signs is changes in behavior. If he did molest the children, this could be a part of behavioral changes associated with dementia.

Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely.

The pictures that were found, and purported to have been emailed to others should have drawn some kind of an investigation from the countries where they were sent. Western countries in particular, as well as the NGO's that receive donations would be quick to start uncovering this pedophile network. Did they locate the other children in these pictures? Nothing has been said. Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100?

But none of the things that should have happened have happened. A lot of strange things in this case.

[Nisa]

I think we should wait with baited breath for the police to release the pictures. The police saying they found images and actually having the images is another thing.

There are so many things that seem really strange about this story.

Curious what are the "so many things that seem really strange about this story" ? I really don't see anything at all strange and in fact it sounds like a text book case right down to how he is alleged to have went about procuring the children to the child porn they found to his believing he is the victim. Okay, the guy is old and that makes it a bit more unique but being a pedophile is not something one grows out of and it is not like you stop having desires when you get old but rather it is an issue of being able to physically fulfill those desires.

Edit: Well I admit if you still believe you are in the west then there could be things that are strange such as a foreigner being allowed out on bail for such serious crimes and his claim of being able to make restitution to the victim's family with the police taking their usual percentage for brokering the deal but this is just the way things are sometimes done here. It is about as common as old western pedophiles coming to this part of the world for the easier access to children.

Noting the propensity if the BiB to splash the goriest of pictures across the newspapers,

to the point of showing a young lady tied down endwise to a railroad track, and split into left an right by a train, and at most fog or blur the rudest parts, sometimes, but not alway;

Why haven't they hung this old bloke out to dry with 3 or 4 redacted examples of their evidence????

As can be seen on this thread, people often tend to believe or disbelieve anything they want to help confirm what it is they want to believe. If there is no picture then it must not be true and if they publish evidence (child porn) in the press before trial then surely they must have no case and the pictures are phony because there would be no logical or legal reason to do this.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Nisa

[ttelise]

Not that there is any suggestion in any of the news accounts that this guys suffers from Alzheimer... in fact everything to suggest he is fairly shrewd and at least at the time of his arrest very mentally and physically fit for a senior ... but I have never heard that a symptom of Alzheimer being molesting children.

Haha, knew it would not take long for the defender of all things Thai, Nisa. Nisa accused young girl of lying recently when rape allegations made against Thais. According to Nisa, allegations are always true if against farangs and false if made against Thais.

No one us saying he has been diagnosed. Doubt Thailand docs are that proficient in areas of Alzheimers and dementia anyway or feel the need to make such diagnosis for old white farangs.

I think we are just saying Alzheimers causes erratic and bizarre behaviors and that us a possible explanation. I have seen Alzheimers patients seem completely normal and lucid one minutes, turn confused and violent the next.

The bigger issue seemed to be that kids only went to his house twice a year, Christmas and birthday, and they were accompanied by parents. Then a parent allegedly tried to extort money. He refused, was arrested, then cops extorted 450,000 baht and then later drained his bank account. If true, this seems pretty shaddy and suspect. Would not even be annissue in US and Thai cops only have themselves for people's lack of trust in the system.

Edited August 6, 2012 by ttelise

[ttelise]

There's been a lot of speculation about this guy and his mental and physical state.

If he is suffering from dementia of some type, it is progressive. He would not lose his faculties all at once. One of the early signs is changes in behavior. If he did molest the children, this could be a part of behavioral changes associated with dementia.

Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely.

The pictures that were found, and purported to have been emailed to others should have drawn some kind of an investigation from the countries where they were sent. Western countries in particular, as well as the NGO's that receive donations would be quick to start uncovering this pedophile network. Did they locate the other children in these pictures? Nothing has been said. Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100?

But none of the things that should have happened have happened. A lot of strange things in this case.

Exactly. Did they just get their money out of him and let him go or did he beat up a few guards, scale the walls and escape from jail?

[Buchholz]

Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely.

Using the USA as an example, I could almost guarantee that there are not 2 million on their known sex offender/registration rolls who have been fingered somewhere along the line.

UNDETECTED PEDOPHILES AMONGST US

By Dahn Batchelor

It is estimated that there are over 2 million pedophiles living in the United States in any given year.

http://dahnbatchelor...st-us-will.html

The recent spate of uncovering many long-time pedophiles (yet with no criminal history) amongst various religious organizations is a testament to the above.

.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Aussie man to face pedophile charges

During earlier detentions prior to being granted bail authorities had held Kraus at a local hospital rather than in a prison cell.

Continues:

http://www.skynews.c....aspx?id=780149

Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100?

Exactly. Did they just get their money out of him and let him go or did he beat up a few guards, scale the walls and escape from jail?

What escape from jail?

He was freed on bail, and as noted, even before he was bailed, he was in a hospital not jail.

.

[Nisa]

I can't seem to find anything about his being extorted 400k unless he is claiming bail is extortion. Does anyone have a link to the extortion claims as well as them clearing out his bank accounts. The only thing I see about his bank accounts in the news is that they say it appears he had been planning to flee based on his withdrawals.

[ttelise]

I can't seem to find anything about his being extorted 400k unless he is claiming bail is extortion. Does anyone have a link to the extortion claims as well as them clearing out his bank accounts. The only thing I see about his bank accounts in the news is that they say it appears he had been planning to flee based on his withdrawals.

http://m.smh.com.au/national/fears-for-man-91-in-thai-child-sex-case-20110423-1ds44.html#ixzz1KPKWHBr6

Fears for man, 91, in Thai child sex case

Jessica Wright April 24, 2011

THE family of a 91-year-old Australian arrested in Thailand on underage sex charges are concerned for his well-being. They say he has been denied access to medicine and proper care while in custody.

Karl Kraus, a former South Australian railway worker, says he was the victim of an extortion attempt by Thai authorities, who levelled bogus charges last June when he was arrested for the alleged rape of four young sisters, the youngest of whom was five.

At the time of the arrest, Thai police said they seized pornographic print and electronic images from Mr Kraus's house in Thailand. They said the arrest was part of a wider inquiry into paedophiles in the area.

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In a letter to The Sun-Herald, Mr Kraus, who has lived in the northern city of Chiang Mai for more than a decade, said he was pressured for 200,000 baht ($6200) by a Thai businessman in the weeks before the raid and claims he was extorted during his time in custody when it was made clear the charges would be dropped if he paid 450,000 baht ($14,175) to several parties including Thai officials.

He says he was kept in custody in a medical jail facility for five days but denied access to his medication, which caused him health complications.

Mr Kraus also says that when police searched his home, bed linen, computers and photographs were confiscated, along with his bank passbooks, which were used to drain his accounts.

[ttelise]

I can't seem to find anything about his being extorted 400k unless he is claiming bail is extortion. Does anyone have a link to the extortion claims as well as them clearing out his bank accounts. The only thing I see about his bank accounts in the news is that they say it appears he had been planning to flee based on his withdrawals.

It was 450,000 baht and may have been that amount to several people. Article a bit ambiguous. Haha, I am sure you will claim all lies and that the authorities typically standing around counting their hard earned tea money every day are telling the truth.

Maybe one day you will find yourself in such a predicament of being accused of something aweful all part of a shakedown. Appears no one is immune from it in Thailand, especially if you appear to have money. Be a pretty helpless feeling if wrongly accused.

Edited August 6, 2012 by ttelise

[Nisa]

I can't seem to find anything about his being extorted 400k unless he is claiming bail is extortion. Does anyone have a link to the extortion claims as well as them clearing out his bank accounts. The only thing I see about his bank accounts in the news is that they say it appears he had been planning to flee based on his withdrawals.

http://m.smh.com.au/...l#ixzz1KPKWHBr6

Fears for man, 91, in Thai child sex case

Jessica Wright April 24, 2011

THE family of a 91-year-old Australian arrested in Thailand on underage sex charges are concerned for his well-being. They say he has been denied access to medicine and proper care while in custody.

Karl Kraus, a former South Australian railway worker, says he was the victim of an extortion attempt by Thai authorities, who levelled bogus charges last June when he was arrested for the alleged rape of four young sisters, the youngest of whom was five.

At the time of the arrest, Thai police said they seized pornographic print and electronic images from Mr Kraus's house in Thailand. They said the arrest was part of a wider inquiry into paedophiles in the area.

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In a letter to The Sun-Herald, Mr Kraus, who has lived in the northern city of Chiang Mai for more than a decade, said he was pressured for 200,000 baht ($6200) by a Thai businessman in the weeks before the raid and claims he was extorted during his time in custody when it was made clear the charges would be dropped if he paid 450,000 baht ($14,175) to several parties including Thai officials.

He says he was kept in custody in a medical jail facility for five days but denied access to his medication, which caused him health complications.

Mr Kraus also says that when police searched his home, bed linen, computers and photographs were confiscated, along with his bank passbooks, which were used to drain his accounts.

So, it looks like he didn't pay any extortion while in custody and instead used the money for his bail. Paying off victims and having the police take commission for brokering a deal is not that uncommon here but it has absolutely nothing to do with guilt or innocence. As for the Thai business man asking for money, he has failed to make any connection to his arrest or even said how or why he was being extorted .... maybe it was the businessman who planted the photos in his house and was able to use some drug on him to get him to pose with nude children as well as found children who visited his home years earlier.

If his bank accounts were drained by somebody other than him and he can easily show he was in custody during this time then the bank would be on the hook for this. I think it would also be a topic of news and investigation and not be forgotten since his initial claims.

But I do feel bad that he was not able to get proper medical care or medicine after he was arrested since he wasn't brought to jail but was brought to Chiang Mai hospital until he bailed out.

But clearly this guy is a victim just as he protested his arrest for fleeing on bail and entering the a country illegally in order to avoid the charges he is facing.

Sitting in a border office surrounded by Thai and Burmese officials, Mr Kraus said: ''I am 93 years old and you treat me like this … it is so illegal.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Nisa

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I can't seem to find anything about his being extorted 400k unless he is claiming bail is extortion. Does anyone have a link to the extortion claims as well as them clearing out his bank accounts. The only thing I see about his bank accounts in the news is that they say it appears he had been planning to flee based on his withdrawals.

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Fears for man, 91, in Thai child sex case

Jessica Wright April 24, 2011

THE family of a 91-year-old Australian arrested in Thailand on underage sex charges are concerned for his well-being. They say he has been denied access to medicine and proper care while in custody.

Karl Kraus, a former South Australian railway worker, says he was the victim of an extortion attempt by Thai authorities, who levelled bogus charges last June when he was arrested for the alleged rape of four young sisters, the youngest of whom was five.

At the time of the arrest, Thai police said they seized pornographic print and electronic images from Mr Kraus's house in Thailand. They said the arrest was part of a wider inquiry into paedophiles in the area.

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In a letter to The Sun-Herald, Mr Kraus, who has lived in the northern city of Chiang Mai for more than a decade, said he was pressured for 200,000 baht ($6200) by a Thai businessman in the weeks before the raid and claims he was extorted during his time in custody when it was made clear the charges would be dropped if he paid 450,000 baht ($14,175) to several parties including Thai officials.

He says he was kept in custody in a medical jail facility for five days but denied access to his medication, which caused him health complications.

Mr Kraus also says that when police searched his home, bed linen, computers and photographs were confiscated, along with his bank passbooks, which were used to drain his accounts.

So, it looks like he didn't pay any extortion while in custody and instead used the money for his bail. Paying off victims and having the police take commission for brokering a deal is not that uncommon here but it has absolutely nothing to do with guilt or innocence. As for the Thai business man asking for money, he has failed to make any connection to his arrest or even said how or why he was being extorted .... maybe it was the businessman who planted the photos in his house and was able to use some drug on him to get him to pose with nude children as well as found children who visited his home years earlier.

If his bank accounts were drained by somebody other than him and he can easily show he was in custody during this time then the bank would be on the hook for this. I think it would also be a topic of news and investigation and not be forgotten since his initial claims.

But I do feel bad that he was not able to get proper medical care or medicine after he was arrested since he wasn't brought to jail but was brought to Chiang Mai hospital until he bailed out.

But clearly this guy is a victim just as he protested his arrest for fleeing on bail and entering the a country illegally in order to avoid the charges he is facing.

Sitting in a border office surrounded by Thai and Burmese officials, Mr Kraus said: ''I am 93 years old and you treat me like this … it is so illegal.

Haha, Nisa's fantasy land. I am really curious if you actually believe what you write or if you are paid/publicity dude for BiB/TAT trying to keep a favorable spin on everything for the corrupt Thais.

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Not that there is any suggestion in any of the news accounts that this guys suffers from Alzheimer... in fact everything to suggest he is fairly shrewd and at least at the time of his arrest very mentally and physically fit for a senior ... but I have never heard that a symptom of Alzheimer being molesting children.

Haha, knew it would not take long for the defender of all things Thai, Nisa. Nisa accused young girl of lying recently when rape allegations made against Thais. According to Nisa, allegations are always true if against farangs and false if made against Thais.

No one us saying he has been diagnosed. Doubt Thailand docs are that proficient in areas of Alzheimers and dementia anyway or feel the need to make such diagnosis for old white farangs.

I think we are just saying Alzheimers causes erratic and bizarre behaviors and that us a possible explanation. I have seen Alzheimers patients seem completely normal and lucid one minutes, turn confused and violent the next.

The bigger issue seemed to be that kids only went to his house twice a year, Christmas and birthday, and they were accompanied by parents. Then a parent allegedly tried to extort money. He refused, was arrested, then cops extorted 450,000 baht and then later drained his bank account. If true, this seems pretty shaddy and suspect. Would not even be annissue in US and Thai cops only have themselves for people's lack of trust in the system.

Theres nothing in the news posts that say he suffers from any form of Dimentia or erectile problems. It is said in the news articles that the kids went to his house for english lessons. It also states he paid 14,000B for bail in which he claimed that money was extortion. To many on here are making up evidence to protect this old fellow for what reason i have not worked out yet