webfact Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 No tickets for first-time minor traffic violators THE NATION BANGKOK: -- Under a change in police rules for traffic checkpoints, tickets will not be issued to motorists in their first violation of non-serious offences. Instead, they will be given written warnings that will subject them to maximum fines the next time, a Bangkok deputy police chief said yesterday. Police checkpoints must not be erected in the same locations or during daytime hours, said Pol Maj-General Worrasak Nopsitthiphorn, who is in charge of the Metropolitan Police Bureau's traffic affairs. There will also be no more "ambushes", in which police set up checkpoints in blind spots and surprise motorists, Worrasak said. Under new procedures, officers will be equipped with small video cameras, possibly in the form of a pen attached to their shirt pocket or in a shirt button, to record their traffic stops. The videos would then be used as court evidence in cases where traffic-law violators plead innocent and seek trial instead of pleading guilty and paying the fine. The deputy chief said that the operation of the recording devices will be supervised at checkpoints by the commanding officer in an aim to prevent a repeat of incidents, like volunteer traffic police who are rude or beat motorists, which have been widely reported in the media. Checkpoints for crime suppression and traffic enforcement could also be combined, and can be set up from 9pm. Motorists will be let off with verbal warnings for driving newly purchased vehicles with red license plates, which are not allowed on roads after dark. Enforcement of the red-plate law is being relaxed because the Land Transport Department is having problems supplying new plates, Worrasak said. Twelve serious traffic offences will result in immediate fines: racing, speeding, dangerous overtaking, drunken driving, driving the wrong way on one-way streets, not wearing safety helmets, double parking, no license plates, excessively black fumes, parking violations, parking on sidewalks, and driving or riding on sidewalks. -- The Nation 2012-08-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Is this an apparent outbreak in common sense? Especially the red plate law. Can't drive outside your locality after dark coz they can't make and distribute plates properly. Is like something from middle England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrysteve Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? That's assuming they have insurance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post culicine Posted August 16, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2012 Can you imagine the paperwork involved in recording all offences (first warnings) onto some database, and then having that database handy at all times at street level to catch second offenders... how is this going to work? At least you won't have to pay the bribe for the first offence, as you can't be fined anyway:) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 How much would you have to pay the cops to get your second offence booked as a minor first offence? Shall we turn off the 'highly advanced' pen camera officer? Just think about the size and maintenance of the needed database to separate first from second offenders! Very ingenious plan indeed! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mosha Posted August 16, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2012 Another tea money opportunity. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Actually look at the list of offences that still get a ticket. Amy minor or major ones missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyBowskill Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Nothing for farang to see here, move along and keep yer bribe money handy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tywais Posted August 16, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2012 Have to admit, had to glance down at the bottom of the OP to see if it was from notthenation. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draftvader Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I noticed that "Jit Sai" is not amongst them. I'm off out to ride in the right hand lane whilst waving at policemen. The concept of this "first time offender" system is a world class demonstration of mouth opening, noises emanating, brain remaining firmly in neutral and nothing actually changing. I would suggest that, if they actually issue these cameras, all that is going to happen is www.thaicopporn.... will become a major player in the global porn industry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilgore Trout Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Is this an apparent outbreak in common sense? Especially the red plate law. Can't drive outside your locality after dark coz they can't make and distribute plates properly. Is like something from middle England. No kidding; its an obvious ploy to appease the rich who have probably been complaining about the BIB's recent vociferous activity on Suk. road lately. So only people with a red license plate (rich enough to buy a new car) will be exempted, not those with a clean driving record (not like they have any way to check that at the checkpoint) Ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thrilla Posted August 16, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2012 I've always thought of the Thai Government and it's agencies, Police etc as a clown car... tell me I'm wrong 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) First time is always the best. After than it is just another routine. Edited August 16, 2012 by SuneeTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? I don't know that there's any linkage between the police ticketing "system" and the insurance companies, I've renewed my insurance many many times and this has never been an issue. Any time I get a ticket it's usually a case of pay the officer a couple of hundred baht and the ticket then goes away. On the odd occaision when I've not been able to do that and I've had to pay at a police station, there's no evidence to suggest the ticket details were ever recorded anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourauntbob Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 So after people realize they can lie and say its their first offense, they will start breaking the law more blatantly and the new rules will become counter productive. Another case of good intentions but poor thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? I don't know that they even check if the individual has a valid license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? I don't know that they even check if the individual has a valid license. No they don't, not at the time of application for insurance, but certainly if and when you have an accident the first thing they want to see is the license else the insurance is void. So, you can buy insurance without a license but you can't claim against it without one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine51 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) No tickets for first-time minor traffic violators Just whip out that EZBribe card and yer on yer way! Edited August 16, 2012 by sunshine51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk9 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Do they have a system for this? A central database with all tickets that the police has access to at the checkpoints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Do they have a system for this? A central database with all tickets that the police has access to at the checkpoints? Post 15 clarifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanKlaasen Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 And how they gonna figure out if this is a first time offence or not?They have a database at the checkpoints nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanKlaasen Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? I don't know that there's any linkage between the police ticketing "system" and the insurance companies, I've renewed my insurance many many times and this has never been an issue. Any time I get a ticket it's usually a case of pay the officer a couple of hundred baht and the ticket then goes away. On the odd occaision when I've not been able to do that and I've had to pay at a police station, there's no evidence to suggest the ticket details were ever recorded anywhere. If they don't hold on to your driving license they have no clue if the ticket is ever paid or not..............................and I can know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron19 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) An excerpt from post #1 : " Twelve serious traffic offences will result in immediate fines: racing, speeding, dangerous overtaking, drunken driving, driving the wrong way on one-way streets, not wearing safety helmets, double parking, no license plates, excessively black fumes, parking violations, parking on sidewalks, and driving or riding on sidewalks ". They would have to quadruple the police force to have any effect on the occurence of these offences. Edited August 16, 2012 by Ron19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Tea money will be collected in the usual manner one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 And yet another well thought-out plan that surely will be a smashing success. By the way: how does that traffic cop stopping you on the street determine whether the 'minor traffic violation' you allegedly committed is in fact your very first offence (thus, he's letting you off the hook) or your 985th one? Are all traffic cops from now on directly linked to a huge database with whose help they can check in an instant whether you're a first-time or repeat offender? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianCR Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 In the U.S. when you get traffic tickets for moving violations, the Insurance Companies start raising your rates. Does anyone know if the Insurance companies in do that in Thailand also? No they don't - they also do not have a no claim system where your premiums are reduced if you do not have any accidents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givenall Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 How much would you have to pay the cops to get your second offence booked as a minor first offence? Shall we turn off the 'highly advanced' pen camera officer? Just think about the size and maintenance of the needed database to separate first from second offenders! Very ingenious plan indeed! This is a joke anyways. here in Petchburi road in the front of my condo the police come everyday like is normal business hours and in another place near the same place they hid behind the post to catch drivers. I guess this does not apply to what the sicnce violate both rules of ambushing and not having check point in the same place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 how does that traffic cop stopping you on the street determine whether the 'minor traffic violation' you allegedly committed is in fact your very first offence (thus, he's letting you off the hook) or your 985th one? Are all traffic cops from now on directly linked to a huge database with whose help they can check in an instant whether you're a first-time or repeat offender? Maybe there is a use for the 900,000 or so tablet computers on order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Heck, tickets are not issued now when the driver and cop come to an monetary agreement, if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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