ballpoint Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 So what? How many PTP MPs are red shirts (and every one avoiding trial)? Does that make Yingluk a red shirt? I almost asked should the democrat supporters stop Yingluk from attending parliament, but that would be beyond rhetoric and well into fantasyland. It would doubtless serve the Yellow Shirts' cause far better to escort the dear lady there (she sure as sh1t can't find her own way there any too often), so she can display her mastery of the political situation..... OK, OK, a tad facetious, but hey! this is the Thailand we all know and love....... Good idea, while they are at they can round up the 10% of Democrat elected representatives that were reported not to have found their way to parliament at all..... But, but, but, Tommy's mother lets him play in the street and says he doesn't have to go to parliament. I don't know which is the more pathetic, the childs argument or the fact that it gets wheeled out so often by posters with nothing to contribute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I guess what is good for the Goose Posted 2011-02-13 08:23:36 PAD defies police order to clear out of roads. By THE NATION ON SUNDAY Well goose, first you would have to prove that the police ordered the red shirts to clear the road. Well if they did not Mick, what exactly are you trying to say the red shirt protestors have done wrong? Protest......heaven forbid.....break out the ammunition!! Simply pointing out that your comparison with PAD's actions was wrong. Why exactly you are comparing to PAD is another mystery. Claiming the UDD protest was peaceful is another stretch, as they have not been on many occasions, and you have no proof that they would have been on this occasion. BTW my friends call me Mick, you can call me OzMick. Well Mick, I did respond but deemed unsuitable it would appear, just the way it is Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 So what? How many PTP MPs are red shirts (and every one avoiding trial)? Does that make Yingluk a red shirt? I almost asked should the democrat supporters stop Yingluk from attending parliament, but that would be beyond rhetoric and well into fantasyland. It would doubtless serve the Yellow Shirts' cause far better to escort the dear lady there (she sure as sh1t can't find her own way there any too often), so she can display her mastery of the political situation..... OK, OK, a tad facetious, but hey! this is the Thailand we all know and love....... Good idea, while they are at they can round up the 10% of Democrat elected representatives that were reported not to have found their way to parliament at all..... But, but, but, Tommy's mother lets him play in the street and says he doesn't have to go to parliament. I don't know which is the more pathetic, the childs argument or the fact that it gets wheeled out so often by posters with nothing to contribute. Actully what you appear not to appreciate are the little reminders that turn the spotlight, to the effect that rather than criticise PTP your boy should first put his own house in order........otherwise that would make him and you both hypocrites would it not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Good idea, while they are at they can round up the 10% of Democrat elected representatives that were reported not to have found their way to parliament at all..... But, but, but, Tommy's mother lets him play in the street and says he doesn't have to go to parliament. I don't know which is the more pathetic, the childs argument or the fact that it gets wheeled out so often by posters with nothing to contribute. Actully what you appear not to appreciate are the little reminders that turn the spotlight, to the effect that rather than criticise PTP your boy should first put his own house in order........otherwise that would make him and you both hypocrites would it not? But, but, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Good idea, while they are at they can round up the 10% of Democrat elected representatives that were reported not to have found their way to parliament at all..... But, but, but, Tommy's mother lets him play in the street and says he doesn't have to go to parliament. I don't know which is the more pathetic, the childs argument or the fact that it gets wheeled out so often by posters with nothing to contribute. Actully what you appear not to appreciate are the little reminders that turn the spotlight, to the effect that rather than criticise PTP your boy should first put his own house in order........otherwise that would make him and you both hypocrites would it not? But, but, but... The Red baseline has always been Hitler. They judge their acts against the Nazis and deem themselves sinless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tawonsri Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 200 coppers and they cant sort this out Just think they didn't wanna sort it out .... Either because of Tea Money or because the 200 coppers just wanted to support the Red's - but in a democracy it's not the police's job to support any one - but to uphold law and order. What they visibly didn't do at all - what a shame for Thailand. Thai police showed many times that they can "manage" things like this - specially the involved anti-riot troup is famous to be not very friendly - if they do their job. So here they just did not do their job .... Satang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Red baseline has always been Hitler. They judge their acts against the Nazis and deem themselves sinless Here is a thought for you guys Thaksin made decisions and he daily lives with the consequences for his decisions and action, maybe he benefitted financially, and it may be his ego is suffering by being pushed to the perifery of Thai politcal recognition Abhisit made his decisions took actions, he must also learn to live with the consequences It's life in politics in Thailand.....easy to blame the police, the government, both these men chose the route they would take, no point in whinging that it has made them unpopular...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tawonsri Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 PAD; passengers awaiting departure If the Reds and their shadow-leader continue their chosen "democratic" way it will soon be "PAD: passengers awaing DEPORTATION" You really want this to happen? We had in Europe with the other Führer .... Thailand just had it in neighbouring Cambodia about 30 years ago. There is noting nice with having a Dictator ... so better stop Outlaw Big T. The sooner the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 200 coppers and they cant sort this out Just think they didn't wanna sort it out .... Either because of Tea Money or because the 200 coppers just wanted to support the Red's - but in a democracy it's not the police's job to support any one - but to uphold law and order. What they visibly didn't do at all - what a shame for Thailand. Thai police showed many times that they can "manage" things like this - specially the involved anti-riot troup is famous to be not very friendly - if they do their job. So here they just did not do their job .... Satang? personally i have never seen or heard of the Thai police prevent anything or catch someone in the act. They wait until it calms down and arrest people at home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Red baseline has always been Hitler. They judge their acts against the Nazis and deem themselves sinless Here is a thought for you guys Thaksin made decisions and he daily lives with the consequences for his decisions and action, No he doesn't, he ran away from the consequences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Red baseline has always been Hitler. They judge their acts against the Nazis and deem themselves sinless Here is a thought for you guys Thaksin made decisions and he daily lives with the consequences for his decisions and action, No he doesn't, he ran away from the consequences. Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rics21 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Red baseline has always been Hitler. They judge their acts against the Nazis and deem themselves sinless Here is a thought for you guys Thaksin made decisions and he daily lives with the consequences for his decisions and action, No he doesn't, he ran away from the consequences. Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country Well said. Sent from my XT910 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Am astounded by those who are insisting on 'law and order' and the upholding of 'democracy' in this instance. Seems they've all forgotten a couple of months ago when the yellows block Parliament causing it to close for the day. Big difference...more important that Parliament remain open since it is a governing body, not a seminar. It was very telling back then when the police did not respond, also. Seems people have forgotten what they really want (good governance) and now it's all about the people and personalities. Really shameless partisanship. Blocked? Correct I walked around that time and over a stretch of hardly 200 meters saw at least five roadblocks manned by police forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Blocked, true. Did some searching and found this older topic "Yellow Shirt Protests Force House To Adjourn Indefinitely" http://www.thaivisa....ent roadblocks Interesting is how we need to distinguish between Democrats and PAD/yellow-shirts, but can freely switch from Pheu Thai to red-shirts and back. So in a way k. Abhisit was blocked by Pheu Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KireB Posted August 26, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2012 Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country He made a choice to be corrupted and a criminal! The consequence is that he has to face 2 years in jail and go to court for several other pending cases. Unfortunately, the coward does not face responsibility and the consequences of his crimes, because let's be clear here ............. he is a criminal no matter how you twist or turn his past behavior! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Was Abhisit in any real danger, or shying away from negative publicity? Well done the Thai police for following the example of the good ole democratic USA police, in allowing democratic non violent protest, not surprising the Abhisit supporters would deny that right to the red shirts.....lucky for the Red shirts Abhisit could not call out the armed troops..... Abhist chose to avoid yet more negative publicity.......probably the right decision......a man trying to be the "voice of reason" after running a government with a history of violence against his own people is pushing a pretty big boulder uphill already Was Abhisit in any real danger, or shying away from negative publicity? I guess when Well done the Thai police for following the example of the good ole democratic USA police, in allowing democratic non violent protest, not surprising the Abhisit supporters would deny that right to the red shirts.....lucky for the Red shirts Abhisit could not call out the armed troops..... Abhist chose to avoid yet more negative publicity.......probably the right decision......a man trying to be the "voice of reason" after running a government with a history of violence against his own people is pushing a pretty big boulder uphill already "not surprising the Abhisit supporters would deny that right to the red shirts"- None should be too surprised at that after the bloody mess they turned their previous "democratic, non violent" protests into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 It will stop when citizens man up enough to stand up against these terrorists and give their shirts a real reason to be red. It's been tried and it don't work.................. Which is why an ex PM seems afraid to meet the electorate, can't be a pleasant feeling for him when Thai people show what they think of his actions and inactions. The fact that you see a fraction of red thugs as 'the Thai people' explains your perception of things! It;s the red way or the high way, not? Shame on you. It's a small demo of 100 people surrounded by 200 cops. Don't try and turn into something it was not. Sorry to pee on your firework, but the red "thugs" you refer to happen to be Thai and are part of the electorate. That might be a bit uncomfortable for you, but I suggest you get used to it. Personally, I don't think anyone is suggesting ".....It;s the red way or the high way, not? Shame on you........" But actually it is shame on you for your ugly and baseless imputation. The ugliness is all red and you refuse to acknowledge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 A post advocating violence has been removed as well as the responses to that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Sorry to pee on your firework, but the red "thugs" you refer to happen to be Thai and are part of the electorate. That might be a bit uncomfortable for you, but I suggest you get used to it. Personally, I don't think anyone is suggesting ".....It;s the red way or the high way, not? Shame on you........" But actually it is shame on you for your ugly and baseless imputation. People who like to silence the opposition are thugs, nothing more nothing less. The fact that you call these thugs electorate tells the tale and that's not an imputation nor is it ugly, it demonstrates your baseless bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country He made a choice to be corrupted and a criminal! The consequence is that he has to face 2 years in jail and go to court for several other pending cases. Unfortunately, the coward does not face responsibility and the consequences of his crimes, because let's be clear here ............. he is a criminal no matter how you twist or turn his past behavior! Convicted of financial irregularity indeed......... Does it not make you ponder why a party supported by such a man was elected.......I mean what could the electorate be thinking about with an alternative such as Abhisit? What could Abhisit have possibly done to be voted out.......after all no convictions.......must be something....somewhere....some niggling perception.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 - deleted- The fact that you see a fraction of red thugs as 'the Thai people' explains your perception of things! It;s the red way or the high way, not? Shame on you. PhilW is correct. No Thai citizen deserved to be killed by its own government and that government was led by Abhisit. Now Abhisit doesn't seem to appreciate people reminding him about the results of his decisions. Tooooooo bad for Abhisit. In this article, Thailand's former PM states, "The party must talk to Gen Adul over how police can issue measures to keep law and order, so that we can have a democratic society and political parties can fully carry out activities." Before he rose to that position, and almost exactly 4 years ago, this happened... http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2008/09/08/2982008-the-destruction-of-lawful-society/ Abhisit spent maybe 20 minutes with the “injured”, walked past the police, and spent about 20 seconds with them (I could not hear what he said). Abhisit disappeared, and suddenly PAD came with a mobile stage, and a mass of people out of Government House. They came straight to the police line. A few objects were thrown, and police was pressed by the mass of people away. Police could not even defend themselves because of their limited orders. All ran, including me and other journalists. Within minutes the police lost all the ground they had gained, and the PAD ruled the streets again. At the corner opposite Royal Plaza a group of police was cornered, and extremely aggressive PAD protesters suddenly turned against them. I was caught in between, and felt close to panic. It was very scary. One PAD protester postured himself up like a Gorilla male, screaming strange noises. Fortunately a line of PAD guards was formed that held their protesters back. Abhisit seemed to think it is OK to support protesters occupying the government house when they are on his side. He seems to think that it is OK for them to attack the police when the protesters are on his side. He also seems to think that it is OK to call a SOE, hand the situation over to the military, and use live rounds on Thai citizens when they are NOT on his side. But when this happens : "Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes." he finds it appropriate to say "It is not the case because they do not just express their opinions but are prone to commit violence. It is not fair because Democrat supporters have never created riots at any political function of the Pheu Thai Party or government,'' You be the judge... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country He made a choice to be corrupted and a criminal! The consequence is that he has to face 2 years in jail and go to court for several other pending cases. Unfortunately, the coward does not face responsibility and the consequences of his crimes, because let's be clear here ............. he is a criminal no matter how you twist or turn his past behavior! Convicted of financial irregularity indeed......... Does it not make you ponder why a party supported by such a man was elected.......I mean what could the electorate be thinking about with an alternative such as Abhisit? What could Abhisit have possibly done to be voted out.......after all no convictions.......must be something....somewhere....some niggling perception.... Call it financial irregularities, I call it a crime and so does the court. He is a criminal crook and needs to face his responsibility. The question why the Thais voted his ideas back in is an interesting question and we could debate on the reasons. We might even agree here, but it stands ... and I emphasize.. that the only way forward for this country is when corrupt politicians, criminals, go to jail! And Thaksin, as the clan leader, as is a prime example here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country He made a choice to be corrupted and a criminal! The consequence is that he has to face 2 years in jail and go to court for several other pending cases. Unfortunately, the coward does not face responsibility and the consequences of his crimes, because let's be clear here ............. he is a criminal no matter how you twist or turn his past behavior! Convicted of financial irregularity indeed......... Does it not make you ponder why a party supported by such a man was elected.......I mean what could the electorate be thinking about with an alternative such as Abhisit? What could Abhisit have possibly done to be voted out.......after all no convictions.......must be something....somewhere....some niggling perception.... it was vote buying. If not for vote-buying Abhisit would have won in a landslide... God's honest truth straight from TVF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country He made a choice to be corrupted and a criminal! The consequence is that he has to face 2 years in jail and go to court for several other pending cases. Unfortunately, the coward does not face responsibility and the consequences of his crimes, because let's be clear here ............. he is a criminal no matter how you twist or turn his past behavior! Convicted of financial irregularity indeed......... Does it not make you ponder why a party supported by such a man was elected.......I mean what could the electorate be thinking about with an alternative such as Abhisit? What could Abhisit have possibly done to be voted out.......after all no convictions.......must be something....somewhere....some niggling perception.... Call it financial irregularities, I call it a crime and so does the court. He is a criminal crook and needs to face his responsibility. The question why the Thais voted his ideas back in is an interesting question and we could debate on the reasons. We might even agree here, but it stands ... and I emphasize.. that the only way forward for this country is when corrupt politicians, criminals, go to jail! And Thaksin, as the clan leader, as is a prime example here! Surely it is possible that someone like Thaksin has done some illegal things for which he could be convicted. The investigation of Thaksin was done by a junta-created AEC and he was convicted by a junta-created court. This conviction was so clearly political that it has tainted all possible future convictions also as such. Thaksin's opponents can hardly be called strategic geniuses... Edited August 26, 2012 by tlansford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 PhilW is correct. No Thai citizen deserved to be killed by its own government and that government was led by Abhisit. Now Abhisit doesn't seem to appreciate people reminding him about the results of his decisions. Tooooooo bad for Abhisit. You are jumping to conclusions on who is to be held responsible for the deaths during the 2010 siege of Bangkok. Also notice that Abhisit and his party members, and also gays in Thailand and PAD supporters for that matter were attacked and blocked from doing their duties way before the violence in Bangkok in 2010. Your argument, therefor, holds absolutely no ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 [surely it is possible that someone like Thaksin has done some illegal things for which he could be convicted. The investigation of Thaksin was done by a junta-created AEC and he was convicted by a junta-created court. This conviction was so clearly political that it has tainted all possible future convictions also as such. Thaksin's opponents can hardly be called strategic geniuses... He was convicted under his brother in law's watch and under the conditions of a democratically chosen constitution! To me it seems rather ingenious to continually ignore these facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 [surely it is possible that someone like Thaksin has done some illegal things for which he could be convicted. The investigation of Thaksin was done by a junta-created AEC and he was convicted by a junta-created court. This conviction was so clearly political that it has tainted all possible future convictions also as such. Thaksin's opponents can hardly be called strategic geniuses... He was convicted under his brother in law's watch and under the conditions of a democratically chosen constitution! To me it seems rather ingenious to continually ignore these facts! what does the government have to do with a court? .... Nothing. Democratically chosen constitution, ... please, don't make me laugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Red baseline has always been Hitler. They judge their acts against the Nazis and deem themselves sinless Here is a thought for you guys Thaksin made decisions and he daily lives with the consequences for his decisions and action, No he doesn't, he ran away from the consequences. Er no....... he made a choice, to took action to leave the country, so the consequence of his decision, he lives outside the country So the impact on the entire Thai nation of Thaksin fleeing justice is what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 PhilW is correct. No Thai citizen deserved to be killed by its own government and that government was led by Abhisit. Now Abhisit doesn't seem to appreciate people reminding him about the results of his decisions. Tooooooo bad for Abhisit. You are jumping to conclusions on who is to be held responsible for the deaths during the 2010 siege of Bangkok. Also notice that Abhisit and his party members, and also gays in Thailand and PAD supporters for that matter were attacked and blocked from doing their duties way before the violence in Bangkok in 2010. Your argument, therefor, holds absolutely no ground. Just curious, but what are the "duties" of homosexuals ( gays ) and PAD supporters , such that they were blocked from performing ??? AV and the army are in my opinion responsible for the great majority of deaths in 2010. Now, back to the blocked duties, more info please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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