Thailand Mulls Barter Trade With Sanctioned Iran

[pkspeaker]

I was happy to hear that Thailand will not take part in another US imposed sanctions regime that targets Iran's people. How many Iraqi's died for wmd lies even before the war started because of sanctions that were ruining iraq's economy and keeping food and medicine in short supply.

none of the other me countries have been sanctioned for nuclear work.. why the double standard, iran hasn't threatened military force on any other country..

why would the US be against rice for iran's people, many of whom face a hard economic existence? how does keeping rice from kids stop nuclear enrichment?

Edited August 28, 2012 by pkspeaker

[slapout]

Iran has been known for their slow pay even before the sanctions, on their LC's so I would not expect any change for any claims. As they are restricted on the use of western banking systems, how would you go after any loss to a Iranian financial instituation itself.

With the apparent forthought of the proposal, maybe the FM would entertain sending pork fried rice for the oil and he could help the Thai pig industry a little also.

[Mosha]

Thai oil tankers will just blast Thai Karaoke at the Somali pirates. Problem solved

[Mosha]

I was happy to hear that Thailand will not take part in another US imposed sanctions regime that targets Iran's people. How many Iraqi's died for wmd lies even before the war started because of sanctions that were ruining iraq's economy and keeping food and medicine in short supply.

none of the other me countries have been sanctioned for nuclear work.. why the double standard, iran hasn't threatened military force on any other country..

why would the US be against rice for iran's people, many of whom face a hard economic existence? how does keeping rice from kids stop nuclear enrichment?

You really believe Iran does not want a bomb, given what their holocaust denier president says about Israel?

[pkspeaker]

what ahmnadinijad thinks about the politics of other countries is irrelevant to the nuclear issue; we can't have a double standard to the point where iran is facing sanctions that are 100 times worse than anything put in place against pakistan or israel or india..

[philw]

I was happy to hear that Thailand will not take part in another US imposed sanctions regime that targets Iran's people. How many Iraqi's died for wmd lies even before the war started because of sanctions that were ruining iraq's economy and keeping food and medicine in short supply.

none of the other me countries have been sanctioned for nuclear work.. why the double standard, iran hasn't threatened military force on any other country..

why would the US be against rice for iran's people, many of whom face a hard economic existence? how does keeping rice from kids stop nuclear enrichment?

Nice post and fair and irrefutable points.

You are dead right.

Those who want the next war will no doubt be along soon, frothing about the threat to Israel, state terrorism, regional stability etc etc

But it will be the ordinary people who, as always, will suffer when the excrement hits the fan.

Sanctions worked oh so well in Iraq..........

[ttelise]

Ref sanctions, there are three sets. One set (the tightest) is by the US. The second is by the eu - and it is this set that is hitting Iran hardeat on oil and gas as it prohibits EU insurance companies from covering oil and gas cargos to or from Iran. As EU P&! clubs cover most global shipping, Iran has been unable to export except through its own vessels or those of buying countries who self-insure (e.g. China).

Thailand is not bound by either set of sanctions - but it can be an affected third party.

The final set (by the UN) do bind Thailand but they are largely limited to military supplies and trade.

NONE of the sets prohibit shipment/sale of food to Iran. US sanctions specifically exempt food, medical supplies and humanitarian assistance.

Bottom line. Thailand can sell as much rice as it wants - and can buy oil - BUT can it get the oil shipped to Thailand?

The whole point of sanctions is to obtain compliance with serious issues affecting the entire world's safety through economic pressures. These sanctions impact many countries that formerly relied upon trade with Iran, but these countries comply for the greater good or people's safety over monetary issues.

Iran is desperate for trade and would probably work out cheap trade deals for oil with any country willing to defy sanctions. Why should Thailand be able defy sanctions and take advantage of cheap trade or cheap oil from a desperate Iran without backlash from other countries that have been willing to make sacrifices for the greater good? Thailand's propose deal has an effect of eroding the impact of sacrifices made by other countries. Selfish proposal of such does not deserve concessions of any nature.

[philw]

I was happy to hear that Thailand will not take part in another US imposed sanctions regime that targets Iran's people. How many Iraqi's died for wmd lies even before the war started because of sanctions that were ruining iraq's economy and keeping food and medicine in short supply.

none of the other me countries have been sanctioned for nuclear work.. why the double standard, iran hasn't threatened military force on any other country..

why would the US be against rice for iran's people, many of whom face a hard economic existence? how does keeping rice from kids stop nuclear enrichment?

You really believe Iran does not want a bomb, given what their holocaust denier president says about Israel?

Let them have it.

They would be destroyed if they used it. ( as would we all )

[ttelise]

I was happy to hear that Thailand will not take part in another US imposed sanctions regime that targets Iran's people. How many Iraqi's died for wmd lies even before the war started because of sanctions that were ruining iraq's economy and keeping food and medicine in short supply.

none of the other me countries have been sanctioned for nuclear work.. why the double standard, iran hasn't threatened military force on any other country..

why would the US be against rice for iran's people, many of whom face a hard economic existence? how does keeping rice from kids stop nuclear enrichment?

Nice post and fair and irrefutable points.

You are dead right.

Those who want the next war will no doubt be along soon, frothing about the threat to Israel, state terrorism, regional stability etc etc

But it will be the ordinary people who, as always, will suffer when the excrement hits the fan.

Sanctions worked oh so well in Iraq..........

Get real, Thailand does not care about Iran's people or getting rice to the hungry. If so, send it for free. Thailand simply wants cheap oil made cheap by other countries' sacrifices through economic sanctions. My post directly above addresses this point.

[Phatcharanan]

The Iranians can ship it themselves. They've recently greatly increased their fleet.

Unfortunately with great big guns attached.

[Scott]

Some off-topic posts deleted. Please stick to the topic and keep the discussion civil.

Thanks.

[dru2]

With ultra high level trade negoitions between Iraq and Thailand going on, the western powers might just enough time to Nuke Iran and turn their country into little glass

figurines of that turbin wearing jerk off leader, and that pip squeak president.

I got an official warning from the mods for calling Jatuporn a bovxne interbrxd buffalo - so how come this pure racism is acceptable? Any explanation, mods?

Edited August 28, 2012 by dru2

[Mosha]

I was happy to hear that Thailand will not take part in another US imposed sanctions regime that targets Iran's people. How many Iraqi's died for wmd lies even before the war started because of sanctions that were ruining iraq's economy and keeping food and medicine in short supply.

none of the other me countries have been sanctioned for nuclear work.. why the double standard, iran hasn't threatened military force on any other country..

why would the US be against rice for iran's people, many of whom face a hard economic existence? how does keeping rice from kids stop nuclear enrichment?

You really believe Iran does not want a bomb, given what their holocaust denier president says about Israel?

Let them have it.

They would be destroyed if they used it. ( as would we all )

Death doesn't scare them like it does others, holy war etc. Right up there with pushing the rebuilding of the temple on the mount. Same result WWIII

[Mosha]

With ultra high level trade negoitions between Iraq and Thailand going on, the western powers might just enough time to Nuke Iran and turn their country into little glass

figurines of that turbin wearing jerk off leader, and that pip squeak president.

I got an official warning from the mods for calling Jatuporn a bovxne interbrxd buffalo - so how come this pure racism is acceptable? Any explanation, mods?

You insulted buffalos

[animatic]

Clearly not understanding the concept and purpose of the embargo at all

and preferring their economic interests to the non-proliferation concept.

And this after those guys were running a bomb factory here and ineptly blowing

themselves up, if not successfully harming others in Bangkok, just a few months ago.

Tragically short memories, and non-existant moral compasses.

Edited August 28, 2012 by animatic

[Soutpeel]

With ultra high level trade negoitions between Iraq and Thailand going on, the western powers might just enough time to Nuke Iran and turn their country into little glass

figurines of that turbin wearing jerk off leader, and that pip squeak president.

I got an official warning from the mods for calling Jatuporn a bovxne interbrxd buffalo - so how come this pure racism is acceptable? Any explanation, mods?

You need to talk to the mods directly on this question, not pose that question on the thread itself otherwise you will end up in the do do

Edited August 28, 2012 by Soutpeel

[dru2]

With ultra high level trade negoitions between Iraq and Thailand going on, the western powers might just enough time to Nuke Iran and turn their country into little glass

figurines of that turbin wearing jerk off leader, and that pip squeak president.

I got an official warning from the mods for calling Jatuporn a bovxne interbrxd buffalo - so how come this pure racism is acceptable? Any explanation, mods?

You need to talk to the mods directly on this question, not pose that question on the thread itself otherwise you will end up in the do do

Yet again... sigh... thanks for the advice!

[khaowong1]

"The American should have sympathy on this issue. Iranian needs rice for consumption while Thailand, which has no sufficient petroleum resource, wants energy," Surapong said.

I doubt this guy understands the meaning of trade sanctions.

Because the U.S have trade sanctions, does that mean that Thailand should also? What trade agreements Thailand and Iran come up with has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with the U.S. They should butt out and mind thier own business, if Thailand wants to trade with Iran then they are free to do so. The U.S has absolutely no authority in Thailand.

It's not only the US, it's the United Nations. Basically, the whole civilized world. But again, we forget, were talking about Thailand. Thailand seems to not care what the rest of the world says or does. "Permissions, we don't need any stinkin permissions."

[rakman]

Trade sanctions are the domain of the UN, if you are a member, you vote,end of story.Why do these people want to go to bed with this country, I'll never know.

Nuclear power technology..

[johna]

What is forgotten in all this talk of sanctions is the fact that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program, both the CIA and Mossad agree on that, but that madman NetaYahoo wants war, and an Israeli controlled congress will give it to him.

[Soutpeel]

What is forgotten in all this talk of sanctions is the fact that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program, both the CIA and Mossad agree on that,

How do you know ? are you CIA/Mossad or ex-SAS ?....From my understanding they do have a weapons program but as of yet they havent made any weapons...

[pkspeaker]

Iran manufactures earth orbiting rockets, subs, aircraft, cars, centrifuges.. it is impossible to know their technological agenda.. the fact that there is so much war and distruction in that part of the world and that the west is committed to the downfall of their regime to the extent that they will starve millions of their people like they did in iraq prior to the destruction of that country by military invasion is not going to make the Iranians feel more secure to the point where they will open up every facility in that country to open inspections, especially when Israel will not be doing the same thing or even consider nuclear disarmanent.

Note that Iran has a parliament and elections, (a dictatorship is usually one of the excuses for western policies) but the US still wants the regime to be changed wholesale-rather than simply requesting more liberalism and transperancy in the current democratic system in iran.

given that environment the west can encourage these countries note to go nuclear-which is best done by example--but here the US decides on an extreme double-standard where israel and pakistan get foreign aid and iran gets starvation.

Edited August 29, 2012 by pkspeaker

[Thai at Heart]

How many headlines per month does the Nation use the word "Mull".

Hub of Mulling?

[marshbags]

Thailands reputation, foreign policy and lack of integrity goes yet further into the depths of an already huge sh*it hole this government has built for it,s country,

Within the international world outside who will have noted this latest self only self interested government.

marshbags

Edited August 29, 2012 by marshbags

[animatic]

With ultra high level trade negoitions between Iraq and Thailand going on, the western powers might just enough time to Nuke Iran and turn their country into little glass

figurines of that turbin wearing jerk off leader, and that pip squeak president.

I got an official warning from the mods for calling Jatuporn a bovxne interbrxd buffalo - so how come this pure racism is acceptable? Any explanation, mods?

You need to talk to the mods directly on this question, not pose that question on the thread itself otherwise you will end up in the do do

Yet again... sigh... thanks for the advice!

There is a REPORT button, down below every post that is opposition side of the Edit and Quote buttons, use it freely. It gives you a comment direct to all Mods, and who ever is monitoring at the time will go direct to the flagged post and render an opinion.

You can comment in your report about why you object,

but either they act or they don't. Still the mods job is MUCH easier

because they are directed to something and not having to

read every word to see the bad ones...

and we put up a LOT OF WORDS.

[animatic]

How many headlines per month does the Nation use the word "Mull".

Hub of Mulling?

Mulled Whine?

[animatic]

Iran manufactures earth orbiting rockets, subs, aircraft, cars, centrifuges.. it is impossible to know their technological agenda.. the fact that there is so much war and distruction in that part of the world and that the west is committed to the downfall of their regime to the extent that they will starve millions of their people like they did in iraq prior to the destruction of that country by military invasion is not going to make the Iranians feel more secure to the point where they will open up every facility in that country to open inspections, especially when Israel will not be doing the same thing or even consider nuclear disarmanent.

Note that Iran has a parliament and elections, (a dictatorship is usually one of the excuses for western policies) but the US still wants the regime to be changed wholesale-rather than simply requesting more liberalism and transperancy in the current democratic system in iran.

given that environment the west can encourage these countries note to go nuclear-which is best done by example--but here the US decides on an extreme double-standard where israel and pakistan get foreign aid and iran gets starvation.

Regardless of anyones opinion of USA, Iran is still a totalitarian controlled theocracy

with a rough semblance of a parliament, but in name only. Which is controlled from the top.

And the Revolutionary Guards seeking to control all dissent in usually quite violent ways.

And hardliners who have no issues with calling for the destruction of Israel,

and the backing of terrorism world wide against any that do not support their Theocratic aims.

There are of course zealots in other religions and sects, but most are not close to controlling

the bomb and actively making threats to use it.

Edited August 29, 2012 by animatic

[Sayonarax]

Err im not sure if your all hung over but.. Iranians eat rice last time i checked.

Flied lice? It's fried rice, you plick!!!

[simple1]

Do the UN/EC sanctions actually ban barter trade for food. e.g. India recently announced it's going to provide wheat for Iran.

[Thai at Heart]

How many headlines per month does the Nation use the word "Mull".

Hub of Mulling?

Mulled Whine?

I think in reality it means "sees if it can get away with"