Bangkok Police To Probe 9 More Deaths During 2010 Crackdown

[webfact]

Police to probe 9 more 2010 deaths

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- The Department of Special Investigation has decided to get the Metropolitan Police Bureau to look into the deaths of nine more "victims" during the 2010 crackdown.

DSI director-general Tarit Pengdith said these nine new cases would increase the number of people allegedly killed by troops by up to 36.

He said three new cases had already been submitted to the Metropolitan Police and another six would be handed in later this week. Of the 36, 19 cases have been submitted by the public prosecutors to the Criminal Court to determine the cause of death, Tarit said.

He added that the court would make a ruling on one of the 19 cases on September 17, the one about the death of red-shirt protester Phan Khamkong.

Tarit said this ruling was crucial because it would set the direction on how the DSI builds its main case on the crackdown.

He explained that once the court rules on who is responsible for the protester's death, the DSI could then decide on who it should sue and whether the defendants should face murder charges.

The nine new victims include Pornsawan Nakhachai and Mana Saenprasertsri, who were killed at about 3pm on May 15, 2010, on Rama IV Road, and Sergeant Pongchalit Pitthayanonkarn, who was killed at 1am on May 17 outside the Bangkok Bank head office on Silom Road.

Also to be investigated are the deaths of Somsak Silarak, Piyapong Kittiwong and Prachuap Silarak, killed at about 5pm on May 14 at Lumpini Park as well as Narin Srichomphu, killed at 11.10am on May 19 also at Lumpini Park.

The cases of Thawil Khammon and an unidentified man who were killed at about 10am on May 19 outside Chulalongkorn Hospital will also be studied.

Meanwhile, former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugusban called on the DSI to not distort facts when concluding its investigation into the 91 deaths and announce the results to the public.

Suthep said the DSI has already sent the case of 26 suspected terrorists to court so if it distorted the information in its new investigation then this information would contradict the DSI's own investigation results.

-- The Nation 2012-09-04

[animatic]

Clearly the guy feathers his nest with the desires of whomever is the power of the day. He was nearly as zealous when the opposition was in power to do their bidding.

[cloudhopper]

Interesting that The Nation puts quotes around the word "victims". <deleted>? Good to see the police responding so quickly and they should have this investigation wrapped up by 2019 at the latest.

[asiawatcher]

I am sure the DSI has better things to do than raking over the coals when the fire went out years ago. And to see who they can sue? Get a life...

[jerrysteve]

And if convicted, they will each get a Free GET OUT OF JAIL CARD, some pocket money to play Hide and Seek and Vanish.

Edited September 4, 2012 by jerrysteve

[OzMick]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

[chotthee]

The dead are mostly (not all) terrorists.

The strike terror, hence the army have to put them down.

Via snipers, M16, or what ever mean.

[Lite Beer]

DSI reports new details on 91 political deaths

BANGKOK, 4 September 2012 (NNT) – The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has disclosed further details on the 91 deaths from the red-shirt mass riot in 2010, saying 36 of them might have been caused by army officers.

According to DSI Chief Tharit Pengdit, there has been much progress in the investigation on the deaths of 91 people, comprising civilians, policemen and soldiers, during the red-shirt protest in 2010. He said the latest findings have been submitted to the Metropolitan Police Bureau and will be forwarded to the Criminal Court later on.

At present, a total of 36 cases are suspected by the DSI to have been caused by military personnel stationed around the protest site. In addition to the previous 27 cases, the investigative committee recently discovered evidence that could hold security officers accountable for 9 more deaths.

Mr. Tharit said that the investigating team, which is made up of DSI investigators, police officers and public prosecutors, will submit all findings in the 9 cases to the Metropolitan Police by the end of this week in an attempt to urge the authority to consider bringing the cases to court.

Thus far, the Metropolitan Police has already submitted 19 cases against army officers to the Criminal Court, with the first hearing scheduled for September 17th.

-- NNT 2012-09-04

[MunterHunter]

DSI reports new details on 91 political deaths

BANGKOK, 4 September 2012 (NNT) – The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has disclosed further details on the 91 deaths from the red-shirt mass riot in 2010, saying 36 of them might have been caused by army officers.

*Might* have been.... It *might* rain green cheese tomorrow.

So if 36 deaths *might* have been caused by the military, is it safe to assume then that the other 55 deaths *might* be caused by the Protestors?

[rubl]

Does anyone out here still remember the giant GSB lottery cheques handed out to relatives of victims?

2012-05-26

""Thailand: Payouts to families of protest victims, strings attached""

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/thailand-payouts-families-protest-victims-strings-attached

[rubl]

Also to be investigated are the deaths of Somsak Silarak, Piyapong Kittiwong and Prachuap Silarak, killed at about 5pm on May 14 at Lumpini Park

Would that be after the renegade general Seh Daeng was shot and some disappointed supporters showed their displeasure with a new round of violence, grenade attacks and the like? What was the army thinking, shooting them, allegedly that is?

[phiphidon]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

[phiphidon]

DSI reports new details on 91 political deaths

BANGKOK, 4 September 2012 (NNT) – The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has disclosed further details on the 91 deaths from the red-shirt mass riot in 2010, saying 36 of them might have been caused by army officers.

*Might* have been.... It *might* rain green cheese tomorrow.

So if 36 deaths *might* have been caused by the military, is it safe to assume then that the other 55 deaths *might* be caused by the Protestors?

No, all you can safely assume is that the remaing 55 deaths might be caused by the red shirts, the M.I.B or the Security Forces.

[phiphidon]

Does anyone out here still remember the giant GSB lottery cheques handed out to relatives of victims?

2012-05-26

""Thailand: Payouts to families of protest victims, strings attached""

http://www.alaskadis...trings-attached

You're going to have to be more clear with your posts rubl.What is the point you are trying to make this time?

[rubl]

Does anyone out here still remember the giant GSB lottery cheques handed out to relatives of victims?

2012-05-26

""Thailand: Payouts to families of protest victims, strings attached""

http://www.alaskadis...trings-attached

You're going to have to be more clear with your posts rubl.What is the point you are trying to make this time?

The point? While the DSI is still wondering who to sue, the government is trying to make sure it's not them. From the link provided:

"Before they were handed checks on stage -- yes, cartoonishly large Price is Right-style checks -- families were asked to sign a form promising they'd drop any lawsuits connected to their slain family members, according to the Post."

[phiphidon]

Does anyone out here still remember the giant GSB lottery cheques handed out to relatives of victims?

2012-05-26

""Thailand: Payouts to families of protest victims, strings attached""

http://www.alaskadis...trings-attached

You're going to have to be more clear with your posts rubl.What is the point you are trying to make this time?

The point? While the DSI is still wondering who to sue, the government is trying to make sure it's not them. From the link provided:

"Before they were handed checks on stage -- yes, cartoonishly large Price is Right-style checks -- families were asked to sign a form promising they'd drop any lawsuits connected to their slain family members, according to the Post."

Well it seems clear to me the present government didn't let loose the army on it's civilians. I'll believe you'll find that civil lawsuits will be taken out once a cause of death has been established.

If and when security officials are found liable for the deaths they should be the ones to pay in a civil suit or whatever. As the "Alaskan Global Post" reporter has pointed out via Thai Rath that Prayuth say they can go take a running jump before he apologises. They probably will be covered by the get out clause of "we were only following orders" under the Emergency Decree but whoever issued those orders may not get away with it.

And that certainly wasn't the present government. Suthep seems to be getting edgy though.............

[rubl]

Does anyone out here still remember the giant GSB lottery cheques handed out to relatives of victims?

2012-05-26

""Thailand: Payouts to families of protest victims, strings attached""

http://www.alaskadis...trings-attached

You're going to have to be more clear with your posts rubl.What is the point you are trying to make this time?

The point? While the DSI is still wondering who to sue, the government is trying to make sure it's not them. From the link provided:

"Before they were handed checks on stage -- yes, cartoonishly large Price is Right-style checks -- families were asked to sign a form promising they'd drop any lawsuits connected to their slain family members, according to the Post."

Well it seems clear to me the present government didn't let loose the army on it's civilians. I'll believe you'll find that civil lawsuits will be taken out once a cause of death has been established.

If and when security officials are found liable for the deaths they should be the ones to pay in a civil suit or whatever. As the "Alaskan Global Post" reporter has pointed out via Thai Rath that Prayuth say they can go take a running jump before he apologises. They probably will be covered by the get out clause of "we were only following orders" under the Emergency Decree but whoever issued those orders may not get away with it.

And that certainly wasn't the present government. Suthep seems to be getting edgy though.............

The fairness of this all is difficult to explain. Soldiers were issued life ammunition and told to shoot only when threatened or to defend. That may excuse the actual shooters, but not their commanding officers or the government officials having given those orders.

Mind you (in all fairness) those soldiers were engaged in gunfire exchange with some heavily armed militants and had a few more grenades lobbed on them. With all the moving around of bodies I'm not sure what still can be proven. Obviously and in no way meant demeaning, the real unarmed, peaceful protesters who were still in the neighbourhood and had those militants running around were at risk. As all were warned frequently, they could have known to be at risk. Mind you UDD leaders in 24*7 shoutcasts had maybe succeeded in convincing them the army would shoot at them if they moved OUT ?

[OzMick]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

As long as it takes me to notice it. Should I use your method of deciding which questions are too stupid to answer? No?

This came from a discussion and posting on TVF re the morally malleable Tharit. I'm sure you can find it if you wish.

I'll now repeat my stupid question - how many protests ANYWHERE have been allowed to continue for weeks after 5 security personnel were killed and many more seriously injured by armed protesters?

[rubl]

Obviously the government even allowed the police to shoot on sight, assuming this chap didn't take it into his own hands:

2010-05-19

"A police spokesman said crack officers had been deployed with authorisation to shoot on sight anybody looting, committing arson or inciting unrest."

http://www.smh.com.a...00519-ver1.html

[philw]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

Hope you're prepared for a VW type reply to your entirely relevant question.

[philw]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

As long as it takes me to notice it. Should I use your method of deciding which questions are too stupid to answer? No?

This came from a discussion and posting on TVF re the morally malleable Tharit. I'm sure you can find it if you wish.

I'll now repeat my stupid question - how many protests ANYWHERE have been allowed to continue for weeks after 5 security personnel were killed and many more seriously injured by armed protesters?

So, "no answer " was the stern reply.

You made an allegation but are unable to support it.

Rather diminishes your cred, as it were.

[rubl]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

Hope you're prepared for a VW type reply to your entirely relevant question.

All ready for many months the DSI is concentrating on what they called the 'easy' cases. Unfortunately that excludes most if not all cases where non-red-shirts died or were merely wounded.

[phiphidon]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

As long as it takes me to notice it. Should I use your method of deciding which questions are too stupid to answer? No?

This came from a discussion and posting on TVF re the morally malleable Tharit. I'm sure you can find it if you wish.

I'll now repeat my stupid question - how many protests ANYWHERE have been allowed to continue for weeks after 5 security personnel were killed and many more seriously injured by armed protesters?

If you repeated your stupid question in the right thread you may get an answer, However seeing as that kind of question is regularly asked in one form or another you'll probably find an answer using the amazingly forensic TV search function.

Here's another stupid question to ask:

How many goverments having presided over a badly botched first crackdown on a protest resulting in 25 deaths and a couple of hundred or so injured would consider upping the ante to include live fire zones and snipers and spend another 9 days ensuring that the death toll reached 83 and over 2,500 injured, including innocents, journalists,cameramen, and medics?

Shouldn't take long to get and answer to that one

[phiphidon]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

Hope you're prepared for a VW type reply to your entirely relevant question.

All ready for many months the DSI is concentrating on what they called the 'easy' cases. Unfortunately that excludes most if not all cases where non-red-shirts died or were merely wounded.

If they did inquests on "merely wounded" people rubl, they could be in for a long wait with over 2,500 of them................

[rubl]

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

Hope you're prepared for a VW type reply to your entirely relevant question.

All ready for many months the DSI is concentrating on what they called the 'easy' cases. Unfortunately that excludes most if not all cases where non-red-shirts died or were merely wounded.

If they did inquests on "merely wounded" people rubl, they could be in for a long wait with over 2,500 of them................

True, true, but I wrote non-red-shirt dead or wounded. Their number doesn't add up to much, I think. Surely the government with it's bullet spraying army only targeted red-shirts ?

[philw]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

As long as it takes me to notice it. Should I use your method of deciding which questions are too stupid to answer? No?

This came from a discussion and posting on TVF re the morally malleable Tharit. I'm sure you can find it if you wish.

I'll now repeat my stupid question - how many protests ANYWHERE have been allowed to continue for weeks after 5 security personnel were killed and many more seriously injured by armed protesters?

If you repeated your stupid question in the right thread you may get an answer, However seeing as that kind of question is regularly asked in one form or another you'll probably find an answer using the amazingly forensic TV search function.

Here's another stupid question to ask:

How many goverments having presided over a badly botched first crackdown on a protest resulting in 25 deaths and a couple of hundred or so injured would consider upping the ante to include live fire zones and snipers and spend another 9 days ensuring that the death toll reached 83 and over 2,500 injured, including innocents, journalists,cameramen, and medics?

Shouldn't take long to get and answer to that one

As us Welsh rugby supporters say, PPD is on song here............

An accurate description of the horrific government incompetence and needless army violence / ineptitude that made a bad situation a thousand times worse.

[khunken]

Before the election, the DSI was investigating a large number of red/black shirt crimes. Since the change of government, all red shirt related investigations have been dropped in favour of RTA cases. Prosecution as a political tool.

Unfortunately for the red MPs and other leaders, investigations had already been largely concluded and charges laid. Other reds have had their cases heard and been convicted, some on minor charges released on time served. The current tactic seems to be releasing those convicted on government paid bail and delaying court cases as much as possible, both for appeals and unheard cases.

The major delaying tactic was appointing red leaders as party list MPs with prosecution immunity. There is no reason except financial why cases for Arisman, Jatuporn and Yosaworit (?) could not be heard immediately. Terrorism convictions might finally convince some of the red mob that their actions were not totally blame-free.

I've asked you before in another thread and didn't get an answer. I'll ask again - What are the details of these large number of red / blackshirt cases that were supposedly being investigated but have now been put aside. Will it take you long to post a reply?

As long as it takes me to notice it. Should I use your method of deciding which questions are too stupid to answer? No?

This came from a discussion and posting on TVF re the morally malleable Tharit. I'm sure you can find it if you wish.

I'll now repeat my stupid question - how many protests ANYWHERE have been allowed to continue for weeks after 5 security personnel were killed and many more seriously injured by armed protesters?

If you repeated your stupid question in the right thread you may get an answer, However seeing as that kind of question is regularly asked in one form or another you'll probably find an answer using the amazingly forensic TV search function.

Here's another stupid question to ask:

How many goverments having presided over a badly botched first crackdown on a protest resulting in 25 deaths and a couple of hundred or so injured would consider upping the ante to include live fire zones and snipers and spend another 9 days ensuring that the death toll reached 83 and over 2,500 injured, including innocents, journalists,cameramen, and medics?

Shouldn't take long to get and answer to that one

Yes, that is a truly stupid question - good of you to say so.

The 'crackdown' was a last resort by the government after offering the occupant's leaders a way out.

'Ensuring the death toll reached 83......'. This is more than stupid - it just reveals how your hatred is clouding your judgement.

If you really believe that the government at the time was actually wanting death, I'm sorry for you.

[philw]

Wonder how many of the "merely wounded" are now dead or have had theirs and, their families, lives destroyed ?

Merely wounded indeed.

[rubl]

Strange to see ppd write 'death toll reached 83'. Surely all know it's about 91 + 2/3 succumbing later. Not strange the 'including innocents, journalists, cameramen, and medics?'. Oh wait, he dropped the dead policemen and security forces and possibly other non-red-shirts. Well, that's fair, they weren't peaceful protesters.

Anyway, seeing we're in the silly question stage, Does the answer on ppd's question vary if we add the assumption that UDD leader Jatuporn was just joking when he said ""We are not afraid of such pressure. After the death of many protesters, nothing can stop the red people," he said. "How can we stop as the murderers are walking freely."". Again what if we include the full of fun statement of 'fight till our (your?) last drop of blood'?

[animatic]

Why not just call it:

The Department of Political Investigations : Inquisition Branch,

and be done with it.