How To Remove Yongyuth Gracefully?

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ANALYSIS

How to remove Yongyuth gracefully?

AVUDH PANANANDA

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- The clock is ticking and the government will eventually have to make a decision on the fate of Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Yongyuth's exit is unstoppable. What the government can do, under the circumstances, is to pre-empt political repercussions and to ensure a graceful farewell.

Last week, the National Anti-Corruption Commission officially notified the government of its ruling that Yongyuth, when he was deputy permanent secretary of the Interior Ministry in 2002, committed a gross disciplinary violation in connection with the Alpine land case.

The NACC voted on the Yongyuth case in June before vetting and releasing the official copy of the decision.

The government has 30 days to mete out punishment. Although the deadline can be extended within reason, it would be unimaginable as well as illegal to fail to comply with the ruling.

The offence involving Yongyuth is punishable by either a dismissal or an expulsion from the civil service.

Under civil-service regulations, dismissal means a disciplinary offender might still be entitled to the retirement package. Expulsion means no retirement benefits.

In the Yongyuth case, the key issue is the implication for his political office.

Under the Constitution, a dismissed or expelled civil servant is not qualified to hold a seat in the House of Representatives or to join the Cabinet line-up.

Based on relevant laws, the Interior Ministry's Civil Service Sub-Commission must mete out disciplinary punishment by firing Yongyuth retroactively.

Although the government could follow the precedent of firing an offender as per the NACC decision before invoking another law to clear the subject's name for reinstatement, that process would take months.

Under such a procedure, Yongyuth could salvage his retirement benefits and expunge his disciplinary record but would not be able to remain in the Cabinet.

The government has to choose between two realistic options - either shuffle the Cabinet to ease him out or let him lose his job after facing disciplinary punishment.

Should the Cabinet reshuffle be chosen, the government has no more than a few months to save Yongyuth's face.

The government and Yongyuth both will have to make some difficult decisions at this juncture.

For Yongyuth, it is clear he wants his exit to happen before facing disciplinary punishment.

In the past couple of weeks, he involved Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra in making several key decisions under his purview. This is a clear sign his exit is pending.

For the government, it will not be easy to name Yongyuth's successor. He is well liked by all sides, including the Democrats. He remains fiercely loyal to Yingluck and her brother Thaksin.

More important, since the government was formed in 2011, he has been designated a caretaker should an "accident" happen to Yingluck.

The exit of Yongyuth means Thaksin and Yingluck will have to devise a new formula for power sharing in the Cabinet.

Government insiders say Yingluck wants to promote Kittiratt Na-Ranong as her senior-most deputy. But Thaksin seems reluctant to give his blessing.

He is, in turn, considering promotion of veterans from the disbanded Thai Rak Thai party, such as Sudarat Keyuraphan. The unanswered question is the working chemistry between Yingluck and Sudarat.

The next tough issue is picking the right person for the Interior portfolio. The name of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan keeps coming up as a candidate for the job.

But will Yingluck agree to bring this political lightning rod into her government?

A wrong choice made by Yingluck or Thaksin will yield dire consequences for the government. At this juncture, the Democrats are just extras on the political landscape.

-- The Nation 2012-09-08

[asiawatcher]

What is the problem? Sack this crim and charge him, jail him, and who cares what the Shinawatra's think? Procrastination and worrying about face?

[fareastguy]

If the government is sincere about anti corruption then this should be the first of many heads to roll.. let the purge continue even if years after the crime has been committed.

As for his offence, sack him without a retirement package, I'm sure he won't starve !!

[jerrysteve]

Gracefully slap hand cuffs on the dead beat donut weak kneed sniveling crybaby malmute maggot breath and gracefully

sorry anus in prison. It doesn't get anymore Graceful than that! yipi ky ya

Edited September 8, 2012 by jerrysteve

[Buchholz]

How to remove Yongyuth gracefully?

[Buchholz]

If the government is sincere about anti corruption then this should be the first of many heads to roll.. let the purge continue even if years after the crime has been committed.

As for his offence, sack him without a retirement package, I'm sure he won't starve !!

but he could hurl..

poor yongyuth... every time there's talk of them being out-of-touch hi-so elite, he has to go trudging off to some governmental food court and sample the peasant food.

Last time, with Yingluck, to stop rumors of extravagant lunches.... he nearly puked on the wretched bile his voters consume.

PM Yingluck Enjoys House Canteen To To Quash 'Bt200.000 A Meal' Rumours

http://www.thaivisa....a-meal-rumours/

Funny, seems he even has a designated outfit (top-of-the-line fine Thai silk white jacket) for the occasions to show off what a regular guy he is by mixing with the great unwashed at canteens.

[jerrysteve]

Look give this YONGYUTH a nice promotion with a table and chair on a nice dirt floor, with a couple of RATS so he feels at home nside the

GRAY BAR HOTEL. Give the guy one of those nice computers the government bought where the batteries wear out in 20 minutes or less with no

outlet to charge it. Thats a wonderful graceful plan.

P.S. Lets not forget to supply him with a bowl full of MAGGOTS for food so he feels right at home with his friends.

Edited September 8, 2012 by jerrysteve

[Orac]

I thought it was standard practice for a deputy prime minister to have some sort of dodgy land deal in his closet.

[tomross46]

Do nothing long enough, and the statute will run out and every one will go free. TIT

[Pi Sek]

I thought it was standard practice for a deputy prime minister to have some sort of dodgy land deal in his closet.

Indeed!

Funny, I thought Yongyuth was one of the cleaner PT politicians about.

[somtumlion]

I thought it was standard practice for a deputy prime minister to have some sort of dodgy land deal in his closet.

Indeed!

Funny, I thought Yongyuth was one of the cleaner PT politicians about.

Your statement is an oxymoron....

[OzMick]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

[lensta]

I thought it was standard practice for a deputy prime minister to have some sort of dodgy land deal in his closet.

Indeed!

Funny, I thought Yongyuth was one of the cleaner PT politicians about.

Your statement is an oxymoron....

Oh, all this fuss about a little land, just promote him to an inactive post and give him a salary increase

[h90]

What is the problem? Sack this crim and charge him, jail him, and who cares what the Shinawatra's think? Procrastination and worrying about face?

Problem is that the Shinawatra family is in power so they will decide what happens...Maybe sack the court?

[h90]

I thought it was standard practice for a deputy prime minister to have some sort of dodgy land deal in his closet.

Indeed!

Funny, I thought Yongyuth was one of the cleaner PT politicians about.

Your statement is an oxymoron....

Oh, all this fuss about a little land, just promote him to an inactive post and give him a salary increase

They could make him Managing Director of Thai Airways.

[EvilDrSomkid]

The next tough issue is picking the right person for the Interior portfolio. The name of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan keeps coming up as a candidate for the job.

I'd say they are stuck between a rock and a hard-place.

Jatuporn in a cabinet post? What a disaster.

Even if Yongyuth is caught dead to rights, this is a trifling matter for the new ruling elite (read: The S. Clan).

"The courts are always out to get us" and other "politically motivated" claptrap.

However, if Yongyuth wants to leave with some face, I'd say he should go the way of other politicians caught with dirt on them, retire ASAP citing "heath issues".

We are then stuck with the other paragon of statesmanship, Chalerm the Merciful.

[Pimay1]

Gracefully slap hand cuffs on the dead beat donut weak kneed sniveling crybaby malmute maggot breath and gracefully

sorry anus in prison. It doesn't get anymore Graceful than that! yipi ky ya

Would you please stop beating around the bush and let us know exactly how you feel?

[hellodolly]

Well if he is not let go with no pension it will be like pulling the teeth out of the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

What is the use if there is no real punishment.

Jail time is out of the question with the Shinawatra's running the show.

We all know Thaksins stand on jail time for corruption.

On the positive side it shows a slight crack in the brother sister clone act.

[kimamey]

If the government is sincere about anti corruption then this should be the first of many heads to roll.. let the purge continue even if years after the crime has been committed.

As for his offence, sack him without a retirement package, I'm sure he won't starve !!

I think using bold font would be acceptable in this case for the word "If" at the beginning.

[phiphidon]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

Or perhaps he should do a Suthep, get caught out in a dodgy land deal and bring down a government, then be picked again as the right stuff to be a deputy PM by mark, only to be caught again. No problem for mark and Suthep. Suthep resigns as an MP and continues as deputy PM.

Quality.

[OzMick]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

Or perhaps he should do a Suthep, get caught out in a dodgy land deal and bring down a government, then be picked again as the right stuff to be a deputy PM by mark, only to be caught again. No problem for mark and Suthep. Suthep resigns as an MP and continues as deputy PM.

Quality.

"But what about the democrats?" button still works then?

[khunken]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

Or perhaps he should do a Suthep, get caught out in a dodgy land deal and bring down a government, then be picked again as the right stuff to be a deputy PM by mark, only to be caught again. No problem for mark and Suthep. Suthep resigns as an MP and continues as deputy PM.

Quality.

Did you even bother to read the subject of this thread?

Actually, Yongyuth only signed the documents. It was Sanoh who used his position to grab the Alpine land when it was willed to a temple. Sanoh then sold it on to the Shinawatras. This was just one of the corruption cases benefitting the Shin mob.

It was, at the time, a very good example of how open the corruption was then. I seem to remember that the statute of limitations expiry has absolved the main beneficiaries, aided & abetted by the usual interference in the legal process.

[phiphidon]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

Or perhaps he should do a Suthep, get caught out in a dodgy land deal and bring down a government, then be picked again as the right stuff to be a deputy PM by mark, only to be caught again. No problem for mark and Suthep. Suthep resigns as an MP and continues as deputy PM.

Quality.

"But what about the democrats?" button still works then?

How many times do I have to tell you - there are basically only two major political parties in Thailand. If I want to make a comment about a similar situation as I do here, which party am I going to make a comparison to - the Bharatiya Janata Party of India?

I'm sorry if that offends the made up rules you have but get used to it, I can almost guarantee you if find something wrong with the PTP , Suthep will have done it first and twice as bad but of course thats why your teflon don mark keeps him close.

[jbrain]

I think they have a spare Jatuporn, who demands a seat anyway, so what's the problem.

[khunken]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

Or perhaps he should do a Suthep, get caught out in a dodgy land deal and bring down a government, then be picked again as the right stuff to be a deputy PM by mark, only to be caught again. No problem for mark and Suthep. Suthep resigns as an MP and continues as deputy PM.

Quality.

"But what about the democrats?" button still works then?

How many times do I have to tell you - there are basically only two major political parties in Thailand. If I want to make a comment about a similar situation as I do here, which party am I going to make a comparison to - the Bharatiya Janata Party of India?

I'm sorry if that offends the made up rules you have but get used to it, I can almost guarantee you if find something wrong with the PTP , Suthep will have done it first and twice as bad but of course thats why your teflon don mark keeps him close.

How many times have you been unable to answer any of the questions or statements made in a thread & so push the 'but Abhisit/Dems/Suthep/army button(s)'? Can you add anything regarding the Alpine case? If not why don't you start another thread & cease hijacking this one.

[Skywalker69]

What is the problem? Sack this crim and charge him, jail him, and who cares what the Shinawatra's think? Procrastination and worrying about face?

The "squareface" has a lot of face to worry about.

[hellodolly]

The problem is that his act of corruption directly benefited the Shinawatra clan - a tad gauche for them to cast him to the wolves. And any corruption investigation will lead straight back to them, again.

I suppose if it's important, they could deputise a couple of ballet dancers to arrest him.

Or perhaps he should do a Suthep, get caught out in a dodgy land deal and bring down a government, then be picked again as the right stuff to be a deputy PM by mark, only to be caught again. No problem for mark and Suthep. Suthep resigns as an MP and continues as deputy PM.

Quality.

You really have a problem living in today. Is all your food two or three years old before you eat it?

[GentlemanJim]

How To Remove Yongyuth Gracefully?

There is no need, simply remove him...quickly. If the man had even an ounce of self respect and integrity towards his boss and his party, he would already have resigned.