zoza Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 i was online checking my bank account a couple of days ago when i noticed a few strange withdrawals then i saw the balance of the account was incorrect, i asked my wife if she still had the card and she produced it,i explained to her the problem and she was quite shocked,i didn't suspect my missus as the withdrawals were made in Vietnam and all on the same day,and she was with me on the day in question,plus she knows i never have more than £300 in that account. the card was only used by us in atms we have never let it out of our sight, as it turns out the fact that i only drip feed that account has paid off because otherwise i could be looking at serious damage,so it looks like i'll be withdrawing from banks cashiers only from now on.just a heads up i haven't seen any other posts but i'm sure there will be others and i would like to compare notes as about a month ago i had a strange occurrence at an atm in a bank in the centra complex. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyce Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) Change ypur bank, did you have the card with you that day , you were with your with ? maybe someone has made a copy of your card check with your bank go alone and ask don't trust anyone even your wife. Edited September 7, 2012 by Boyce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBob Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 They put skimmers on the atm machine and can get your pin; this happened to me a few months back and to friends also. There are already threads about this. Foreign atm's are usually insured against fraud but those from Thai banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Only take money out at ATMs that are locked up at night. Better, only the ones inside the banks themselves. Skimming is a big problem here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyce Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Locked up at night , like in Big C or Tesco.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanschwaiger Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Thanks for this important post!! We have a card from K-bank to which company puts living allowance. Before, I was shocked to see that in Lotus, one doesn't need to key in password when paying with this card. Now, even more shocked that card cloning happens.. Definitely will be more careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasia Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Thanks for the posts, not something I`d really thought about and have tended to take money out of whichever ATM happens to be convenient at the time. Will be more careful in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pdavies99 Posted September 8, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) THIS USED TO BE MY WORK, so... Cloning happens everywhere in the world...lets not forget that Thailand uses old security systems on credit / debit card transactions whereas the latest cards use a technology called “cryptography” that allows the card and the terminal to communicate with each other during the transaction and carry out automatic security checks to ensure the card is valid. The latest microchip (“cryptography”) is state-of-the-art in payment card technology and is extremely difficult to duplicate. In fact, chips cards have significantly reduced fraud in some countries where these cards are used, but is not used in Thailand and many Asian countries yet, even though this has been available for several years now. Actually when you use a credit card in Thailand, the ATM uses caller ID to compare the number you’re calling from with the one on the account (usually your home phone). If the phone number is a match, the verification process is streamlined. Rather than requiring the entire credit card number to be entered, the caller can usually access the account with only the last four digits. So think about this....“The last four digits of your credit card number are out there on almost every card receipt including ATM's withdrawals,” “If you look at any sales receipt, it always has those last four digits.” In order for someone to take advantage of this security loophole, the fraudsters trick the bank’s computer to make it appear the call is coming from your home phone. (That's why sometimes you cannot use your UK card in Thailand unless you tell them you are here) Internet “spoofing” and cloaked web IP address sites make this incredibly easy to do. Con artists have been using this technology for years and it is how those British tabloid reporters were able to hack into so many voice-mail systems. Thailand and many other Asian countries still do not have the latest systems. How to resolve this Issue....use IN BRANCH ATM'S!!! They are linked on a different basis which almost prevents most card thefts. I trust this might help people, and certainly NEVER EVER give your card to a shop or restaurant...ask them to bring the mobile billing machine to your table. Hope this is of interest Best Paul Edited September 8, 2012 by Pdavies99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Only take money out at ATMs that are locked up at night. Better, only the ones inside the banks themselves. Skimming is a big problem here now. said it before on here many times - if you have a bank account in Thailand do not get a debit card or any type of card linked to the account, I suspect that a lot of these cases don't actually involve skimming, I believe your bank info is being hacked by bank employee or IT support, either way if you don't have a card then your money is reasonably safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBob Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Only take money out at ATMs that are locked up at night. Better, only the ones inside the banks themselves. Skimming is a big problem here now. said it before on here many times - if you have a bank account in Thailand do not get a debit card or any type of card linked to the account, I suspect that a lot of these cases don't actually involve skimming, I believe your bank info is being hacked by bank employee or IT support, either way if you don't have a card then your money is reasonably safe. You can also open a second account at your Thai bank, that can not be accessed via an atm card. Move money on-line and quickly make your withdrawl using the atm card. In America, you can call toll-free numbers and change your atm pin. Do this frequently and you can hopefully be one step ahead of the skimmers. I use Skype to do this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBob Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 A friend just had a recent experience at a TMB ATM on a Theppresit RD. 7-11. He was notified by Visa fraud prevention of unauthorized attempts to use his ATM/PIN and blocked the card. No money lost; he was lucky. I've lost money using the TMB ATM on Dongtang beach by the police box. Two friends have lost money using the TMB ATM in front of View Talay 2. We are all vigilant about looking for skimmers, cameras, protecting your PIN when entering, etc.. We have all compared notes and checked our ATM account history. We have connected the dots and firmly believe that TMB has a serious security breach. I personally believe it is internal. You have now been warned!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) THIS USED TO BE MY WORK, so... Actually when you use a credit card in Thailand, the ATM uses caller ID to compare the number you’re calling from with the one on the account (usually your home phone). If the phone number is a match, the verification process is streamlined. Rather than requiring the entire credit card number to be entered, the caller can usually access the account with only the last four digits. What are you even talking about here? Caller ID at atm machines? Compare the number I'm calling from with my home phone number? Then in the next sentence you talk about credit card numbers not being needed in full to process the transaction. None of that makes any sense in relation to using an ATM machine in any country. It's quite obvious why you are no longer working in this field if this is your understanding of how it all works. All ATM's use cryptography. This is hardly some new technology. And these chips you say are not used in Thailand are actually on all my Thai issued credit cards and used in all the grocery stores instead of the mag strip. ATM cards however are all mag strip as are all ATM machines. And this is even in the high tech US of A. Then you jump to IP spoofing and voicemail hacking which has nothing to do with ATM or bank fraud. You have taken a piece of every story written on tech fraud and tried to put it all in one story. Nothing you have said makes any sense to me other than "use in branch ATMS" which is actually good advice to avoid card skimming as the criminals generally will not take the risk of installing a card skimmer inside the actual bank. There are much easier targets and they will tend to go after those. Edited September 11, 2012 by Jayman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoza Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 a quick update my britsh atm card supplier's(nationwide building society) after one phone call about 5 days after the enitail discovery,have cancelled the card,issued a new card and refunded the money.which makes things alot easier,as i was expecting lots of tedious phone calls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 cards however are all mag strip as are all ATM machines. And this is even in the high tech US of A. . Not entirely true. My Bkk bank be1st card has a chip, but can only be used at Bkk bank atm machines... Sent from my GT-I9001 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 How does one spot the skimmers on an ATM machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 cards however are all mag strip as are all ATM machines. And this is even in the high tech US of A.. Not entirely true. My Bkk bank be1st card has a chip, but can only be used at Bkk bank atm machines... Sent from my GT-I9001 using Thaivisa Connect App Ok. but that is hardly the world standard as you have noted it can only be used at your bank and still has a mag strip to be used at the rest of the machines around the world. How does one spot the skimmers on an ATM machine? Man handle it. I physically pull on the card slot before I put my card it to see if it will come off or has any odd play in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 How does one spot the skimmers on an ATM machine? Man handle it. I physically pull on the card slot before I put my card it to see if it will come off or has any odd play in it. ok - what does a skimmer look like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 How does one spot the skimmers on an ATM machine? Man handle it. I physically pull on the card slot before I put my card it to see if it will come off or has any odd play in it. ok - what does a skimmer look like ? https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=atm+skimmer+images&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=RjVQUOrAIYbIrQfU2oDQBQ&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1229&bih=766 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 How does one spot the skimmers on an ATM machine? Man handle it. I physically pull on the card slot before I put my card it to see if it will come off or has any odd play in it. ok - what does a skimmer look like ? https://encrypted.go...iw=1229&bih=766 Thanks - it appears that the machines with clear plastic guides are more difficult to attach a skimmer. Kbank seems to have that style of slot - like this one - http://i.current.com/images/asset/905/125/97/1lwUAi.jpg Certainly it appears to be easier to spot anything attached to the entry slot if it is that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Man handle it. I physically pull on the card slot before I put my card it to see if it will come off or has any odd play in it. ok - what does a skimmer look like ? https://encrypted.go...iw=1229&bih=766 Thanks - it appears that the machines with clear plastic guides are more difficult to attach a skimmer. Kbank seems to have that style of slot - like this one - http://i.current.com...5/97/1lwUAi.jpg Certainly it appears to be easier to spot anything attached to the entry slot if it is that style. mind you that they are clever and the skimmers are custom made for the machine to not look out of place. The one thing about all skimmers is that they are not designed to be permanent. that is why I man handle both the atm slot and the keypad. Edited September 12, 2012 by Jayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundman Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 In fact, chips cards have significantly reduced fraud in some countries where these cards are used, but is not used in Thailand and many Asian countries yet, even though this has been available for several years now. Maybe I am misunderstanding something about the chips, but I receive about 200 payments per day by credit card (service station), and 99% of them have chips, so you insert the card into the reader, rather than swipe it.Or is it a different type of chip? Also, in the last three years, I have only been contacted on one occasion by the banks regarding a fraudulent card being used on my reader. They contacted me nearly four months after the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 In fact, chips cards have significantly reduced fraud in some countries where these cards are used, but is not used in Thailand and many Asian countries yet, even though this has been available for several years now. Maybe I am misunderstanding something about the chips, but I receive about 200 payments per day by credit card (service station), and 99% of them have chips, so you insert the card into the reader, rather than swipe it.Or is it a different type of chip? Also, in the last three years, I have only been contacted on one occasion by the banks regarding a fraudulent card being used on my reader. They contacted me nearly four months after the event. That's credit cards! Most of the Thai debit cards do not have a chip...and needs to get swiped. Sent from my GT-I9001 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 In fact, chips cards have significantly reduced fraud in some countries where these cards are used, but is not used in Thailand and many Asian countries yet, even though this has been available for several years now. Maybe I am misunderstanding something about the chips, but I receive about 200 payments per day by credit card (service station), and 99% of them have chips, so you insert the card into the reader, rather than swipe it.Or is it a different type of chip? Also, in the last three years, I have only been contacted on one occasion by the banks regarding a fraudulent card being used on my reader. They contacted me nearly four months after the event. That's credit cards! Most of the Thai debit cards do not have a chip...and needs to get swiped. Sent from my GT-I9001 using Thaivisa Connect App Yes.. agreed that chips are common now on CC but not at all common use at ATM's which is what we are talking about here. the thing is that Pdavies99 started spewing off all sorts of misinformation and that is what soundman is responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degsy04 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 HI Yes it happen to me i used my debit card in tesco lotus sukhumvit road .I used the displayed atm kasikorn bank on the 03 -09-12 and when i checked my account on the 29th september 12 with drawals have been made on it in vietnam .I inform the kasikorn bank in jomtien of this problem .As i know i only used the card once in september in tesco .And it had to be the said atm as they had all the details and pin number .I have informed my english bank and the credit card has been canceled .I thought with english banks you inform them then before you can used your card in another country outside of europe as i did when i came to thailand .The bank assitant seem to think i should go to tesco lotus and inform them about the atm skimming and i was trying to say to her it has your logo on you should report and deal with this problem .All comments welcome . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breadbin Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 a quick update my britsh atm card supplier's(nationwide building society) after one phone call about 5 days after the enitail discovery,have cancelled the card,issued a new card and refunded the money.which makes things alot easier,as i was expecting lots of tedious phone calls. Nationwide are excellent. Also, if you have a tesco credit card they are hot too. Excellent service from both providers (IMO!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKLooker Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) . Edited October 1, 2012 by UKLooker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKLooker Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 In fact, chips cards have significantly reduced fraud in some countries where these cards are used, but is not used in Thailand and many Asian countries yet, even though this has been available for several years now. Maybe I am misunderstanding something about the chips, but I receive about 200 payments per day by credit card (service station), and 99% of them have chips, so you insert the card into the reader, rather than swipe it.Or is it a different type of chip? Also, in the last three years, I have only been contacted on one occasion by the banks regarding a fraudulent card being used on my reader. They contacted me nearly four months after the event. That's credit cards! Most of the Thai debit cards do not have a chip...and needs to get swiped. Sent from my GT-I9001 using Thaivisa Connect App Yes.. agreed that chips are common now on CC but not at all common use at ATM's which is what we are talking about here. the thing is that Pdavies99 started spewing off all sorts of misinformation and that is what soundman is responding to. Interesting comments until you started putting down people, lowers your comments!! Just rude for the sake of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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