RIP Wayne Guest

[whitethai]

Starbucks are international and so I was wondering if I get a job in Uk then try for transfer to Thailand would I be accepted to work in Thailand as its a compay hiring me to work in Starbucks?

[pigeonjake]

• no,
  

sorry, that would be i think a job that a thai could do,

[yoshiwara]

You cannot have a job working behind the counter.

[BrianCR]

Perhaps you could sideline at 7/11 for 4,800 baht per month - now that's a job that Thai's don't like doing. They would really be head-hunting you if you could prove that you have been a shelf-filler at Tesco.

Edited September 22, 2012 by BrianCR

[forgetit]

most companies that do offer internal transfers between their international offices require you to stay with the company for a minimum time. and after that time you would have to apply for the job in the other office. which is about the same as an application for promotion. so you will compete with employees locally too. so given all that, i think this idea is not very well thought.

[raro]

You want to work in the coffee shop or corporate office? The latter is certainly possible, if Starbucks feels that you are the right guy to replace the current CFO.

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[Soutpeel]

• no,
  

sorry, that would be i think a job that a thai could do,

The OP doesnt say if he farang or Thai or maybe both....

[yoshiwara]

most companies that do offer internal transfers between their international offices require you to stay with the company for a minimum time. and after that time you would have to apply for the job in the other office. which is about the same as an application for promotion. so you will compete with employees locally too. so given all that, i think this idea is not very well thought.

No you will not. You cannot apply for a job that a local can fill.

[fletchsmile]

It depends on what you would be doing for Starbucks, certain types of work are prohibited to foreigners, whereas others you might be allowed to do. Shop attending is one of the prohibited ones:

http://www.thaivisa.com/330-0.html

There are then other jobs that although they are not prohibited, the employer needs to justify why they need to employ a foreigner, when they seek a work permit.

As an example, I've done some work in various finance and banking areas. These are jobs that technically a Thai person could fill. However, as I brought a particular expertise and experience to that area, the authorities approved the work permit, and this is done on a case by case basis. Also the last bank I worked for was allowed only 3 automatic work permits for foreigners despite over a thousand employees. After that, they had to justify case by case. Knowing that, the bank would therefore be careful in only making special applications case by case when they felt they really needed to, and if possible prepared to employ local Thais so they wouldn't "waste" an application, as if there started to become too many foreigners this creates a push back on future applications. Being a bank additional approvals were also needed above what was simply in the labour law, and this happens in other industries too.

Edited September 22, 2012 by fletchsmile

[chainarong]

Besides all the correct answers that are, NO,You are not allowed, unless you are a professional and are sponsored by a company (that's even risky) or by your parent company operating in Thailand , you ain't got a chance in hell, but you could always open up a good time bar or nightclub or restaurant , they are always needed.Like a hole in the head Fred.

[PattayaPhom]

Fitness First UK have sent staff on a secondment to BKK befor, and that is a job Thais can do, so anything s possible.

[pigeonjake]

i was operations manager of a bkk company i suppose a thai could of done that too,

but starbucks is a little different,

[jackinbkk]

Anything bar head office or regional managers wouldn't be cost effective to send a foreigner to do. Even then it's likely a Thai with their local knowledge, lower required pay and greater language skills would be better suited to most jobs. Time for a reality check. Life sucks

[yoshiwara]

Fitness First UK have sent staff on a secondment to BKK befor, and that is a job Thais can do, so anything s possible.

Anything is not possible. If FF sent staff then they would have been justified as specialist staff, maybe franchise staff training. Secondly they were sent (according to your message), not just recruited as local fitness instructors one presumes.

[Trembly]

Of course it's possible - it all depends on the wording of the justification that is submitted to the Labour Department.

Whether Starbucks would bother or not is another matter (the OP has not indicated the capacity in which he is employed by Starbucks).

Edited September 27, 2012 by Trembly

[yoshiwara]

Of course it's possible - it all depends on the wording of the justification that is submitted to the Labour Department.

Whether Starbucks would bother or not is another matter (the OP has not indicated the capacity in which he is employed by Starbucks).

No it isn't. You don't think that supporting employment documentation isn't required?

There is no evidence that a coach and horses is being driven through the employment laws ie that it is possible to walk in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history and get a semi-skilled (I exaggerate re serving at Starbucks) job. And all the employer has to do is tick some boxes on a form.

[Trembly]

Of course it's possible - it all depends on the wording of the justification that is submitted to the Labour Department.

Whether Starbucks would bother or not is another matter (the OP has not indicated the capacity in which he is employed by Starbucks).

No it isn't. You don't think that supporting employment documentation isn't required?

There is no evidence that a coach and horses is being driven through the employment laws ie that it is possible to walk in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history and get a semi-skilled (I exaggerate re serving at Starbucks) job. And all the employer has to do is tick some boxes on a form.

Whoever said anything about not submitting supporting documentation?

He won't be 'walking in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history", will he? Hypothetically, at least, he'll be flown over from farangland . . .

"If <Starbucks> sent staff then they would have been justified as specialist staff, maybe franchise staff training."

"Secondly they were sent..., not just recruited as local... instructors one presumes..."

Do those sentences ring any bells?

Stitching those 'facts' together for a WP submission would hardly be beyond the ken of an HR bod worth even half his/her salt.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Trembly

[yoshiwara]

Of course it's possible - it all depends on the wording of the justification that is submitted to the Labour Department.

Whether Starbucks would bother or not is another matter (the OP has not indicated the capacity in which he is employed by Starbucks).

No it isn't. You don't think that supporting employment documentation isn't required?

There is no evidence that a coach and horses is being driven through the employment laws ie that it is possible to walk in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history and get a semi-skilled (I exaggerate re serving at Starbucks) job. And all the employer has to do is tick some boxes on a form.

Whoever said anything about not submitting supporting documentation?

He won't be 'walking in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history", will he? Hypothetically, at least, he'll be flown over from farangland . . .

"If <Starbucks> sent staff then they would have been justified as specialist staff, maybe franchise staff training."

"Secondly they were sent..., not just recruited as local... instructors one presumes..."

Do those sentences ring any bells?

Stitching those 'facts' together for a WP submission would hardly be beyond the ken of an HR bod worth even half his/her salt.

So someone is going to flown over if they have specialist skills and have a specialist job to do which would not ordinarily be able to be filled by a local and which can be documented.

This is a million miles away from the guy/gal who thinks s/he can do this from the experience of having poured a few coffees in the UK.

And selling the fiction that anything is possible if someone just fills in a form.

It isn't, however you wish to spin it.

[Trembly]

Of course it's possible - it all depends on the wording of the justification that is submitted to the Labour Department.

Whether Starbucks would bother or not is another matter (the OP has not indicated the capacity in which he is employed by Starbucks).

No it isn't. You don't think that supporting employment documentation isn't required?

There is no evidence that a coach and horses is being driven through the employment laws ie that it is possible to walk in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history and get a semi-skilled (I exaggerate re serving at Starbucks) job. And all the employer has to do is tick some boxes on a form.

Whoever said anything about not submitting supporting documentation?

He won't be 'walking in off the street with no appropriate qualifications/employment history", will he? Hypothetically, at least, he'll be flown over from farangland . . .

"If <Starbucks> sent staff then they would have been justified as specialist staff, maybe franchise staff training."

"Secondly they were sent..., not just recruited as local... instructors one presumes..."

Do those sentences ring any bells?

Stitching those 'facts' together for a WP submission would hardly be beyond the ken of an HR bod worth even half his/her salt.

So someone is going to flown over if they have specialist skills and have a specialist job to do which would not ordinarily be able to be filled by a local and which can be documented.

This is a million miles away from the guy/gal who thinks s/he can do this from the experience of having poured a few coffees in the UK.

And selling the fiction that anything is possible if someone just fills in a form.

It isn't, however you wish to spin it.

You just don't get it do you . . .

The OP hasn't said whether he makes coffee for a living at Starbucks, but even if he did and if, as fortune might have it, Starbucks thought that it wouldn't be such a bad idea to give his move to Bangkok their blessing, it wouldn't be that difficult for someone with an imagination to spin it so that it cannot be gainsaid by the Labour Department.

If Starbucks HR said that he has specialist pouring coffee whilst saying "OOOH! Suits you sir!" skills which simply cannot be found in Thailand who would the Labour Department be to say otherwise?

This is to use the case of the OP as an almost apocryphal example of the art of the possible regarding bureaucratic definition.

I dare to venture that you've never worked in a Thai school. Do you employ foreigners in Thailand? Have you ever submitted or personally overseen a WP request on someone's behalf?

Edited September 27, 2012 by Trembly

[yoshiwara]

You just don't get it do you . . .

The OP hasn't said whether he makes coffee for a living at Starbucks, but even if he did and if, as fortune might have it, Starbucks thought that it wouldn't be such a bad idea to give his move to Bangkok their blessing, it wouldn't be that difficult for someone with an imagination to spin it so that it cannot be gainsaid by the Labour Department.

If Starbucks HR said that he has specialist pouring coffee whilst saying "OOOH! Suits you sir!" skills which simply cannot be found in Thailand who would the Labour Department be to say otherwise?

This is to use the case of the OP as an almost apocryphal example of the art of the possible regarding bureaucratic definition.

I dare to venture that you've never worked in a Thai school. Do you employ foreigners in Thailand? Have you ever submitted or personally overseen a WP request on someone's behalf?

What I get is that you live in a fantasy world that doesn't exist.

[ayayay]

• no,
  

sorry, that would be i think a job that a thai could do,

The OP doesnt say if he farang or Thai or maybe both....

Do you really think, for example, it makes a difference if you are a dark or a white skinned US citizen?

Or do you mean foreigners in general?

[belg]

everything a thai with no education can do, you cannot do overhere... so if you have english or math skills, you might have a chance in the school sector, loooooooooooooooooooooooooool