What Is Wrong With Rip ?

[JurgenG]

I personally prefer R.I.H.

Rot In Hell

How incredibly pathetic

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What's wrong with stating facts ?

When you realize that most of the people here are irredeemable sinners who are going to burn in hell for the eternity, R.I.P. is a bit hypocritical don't you think ?

Edited October 4, 2012 by JurgenG

[jacktrip]

I personally prefer R.I.H.

Rot In Hell

or R.I.P

Rest In Pieces

[Semper]

What Is Wrong With Rip ?

There's a deceased person involved?

[LucidLucifer]

Slate me TVers, but I believe, by reading a story of someone's demise, even if unknown, you are entering, just a little bit, into their life and death.

If the story has touched you in some way, giving condolences by saying RIP is a simple way of expressing that.

If you have had any meaningful loss of loved ones in your life, any reasonable human being should be able to sympathise with the family and friends of a someone else that has died, whether you knew them or not.

Every untimely death I read about reminds me of my own grief.

One particular story on TV sticks in my mind as I write this, and that is of a poster called 'ajarn'. I didn't know him, but I was, and still am, moved by his life and death story. I also didn't know Aryton Senna, Colin McRae and Booby Moore, but I feel there loss, as I would the victims of any crime, accident or premature death that I read about.

RIP to all of the above I have mentioned.

[kevvy]

how are you rest when there's a whole new life after death

[geriatrickid]

I personally prefer R.I.H.

Rot In Hell

How incredibly pathetic.

Not if you had met my ex.

[Rob8891]

I personally prefer R.I.H.

Rot In Hell

How incredibly pathetic.

Not if you had met my ex.

Granted. I do my best to forget about mine, may the dear lady RIH. The devil heard she might be down soon....rumour has it that he's packing his bags.

But hey! I'm not bitter...

[DocN]

Why show compassion with a person, you have never met? To me the RIP-posters here are just doing it for their own "feeling decent and good". I couldn't care less if someone, i didn't know had died or not. When I die, I don't expect any RIP's, and it really doesn't matter. There are hundreds of people dying in Thailand every day, but normally the ones reported here are about people from our own race/tribe.

My a suggest a special RIP-subforum here on Thaivisa, so all you PC guys can RIP all day long, and I promise you, that insensitive posters like myself will stay away!

How many people in the world?

7 Billion...give or take a few?!

How many people died in the 9/11 attacks?

4.000?

So it is very safe to say that almost NO ONE knew any of these guys, so stop memorial services, right?!

WW2?

I don't know anyone who died there...not even my grandparents... and I am German!

So...puleaze stop rememberance day parades, right?!

Such a waste of time, such hollow phrases!

Do you want me to go further?

Do you know any jewish people???

By the way: I apologize, IF you knew any of these people.

I didn't mean to hurt you personally!

Why?

It is called EMPATHY!

I suggest, you google that, because I doubt that you know that word!

[transam]

Why show compassion with a person, you have never met? To me the RIP-posters here are just doing it for their own "feeling decent and good". I couldn't care less if someone, i didn't know had died or not. When I die, I don't expect any RIP's, and it really doesn't matter. There are hundreds of people dying in Thailand every day, but normally the ones reported here are about people from our own race/tribe.

My a suggest a special RIP-subforum here on Thaivisa, so all you PC guys can RIP all day long, and I promise you, that insensitive posters like myself will stay away!

How many people in the world?

7 Billion...give or take a few?!

How many people died in the 9/11 attacks?

4.000?

So it is very safe to say that almost NO ONE knew any of these guys, so stop memorial services, right?!

WW2?

I don't know anyone who died there...not even my grandparents... and I am German!

So...puleaze stop rememberance day parades, right?!

Such a waste of time, such hollow phrases!

Do you want me to go further?

Do you know any jewish people???

By the way: I apologize, IF you knew any of these people.

I didn't mean to hurt you personally!

Why?

It is called EMPATHY!

I suggest, you google that, because I doubt that you know that word!

Twonk.

[DocN]

Why show compassion with a person, you have never met? To me the RIP-posters here are just doing it for their own "feeling decent and good". I couldn't care less if someone, i didn't know had died or not. When I die, I don't expect any RIP's, and it really doesn't matter. There are hundreds of people dying in Thailand every day, but normally the ones reported here are about people from our own race/tribe.

My a suggest a special RIP-subforum here on Thaivisa, so all you PC guys can RIP all day long, and I promise you, that insensitive posters like myself will stay away!

How many people in the world?

7 Billion...give or take a few?!

How many people died in the 9/11 attacks?

4.000?

So it is very safe to say that almost NO ONE knew any of these guys, so stop memorial services, right?!

WW2?

I don't know anyone who died there...not even my grandparents... and I am German!

So...puleaze stop rememberance day parades, right?!

Such a waste of time, such hollow phrases!

Do you want me to go further?

Do you know any jewish people???

By the way: I apologize, IF you knew any of these people.

I didn't mean to hurt you personally!

Why?

It is called EMPATHY!

I suggest, you google that, because I doubt that you know that word!

Twonk.

Before I start googeling "Twonk"...what does that mean?

[transam]

Why show compassion with a person, you have never met? To me the RIP-posters here are just doing it for their own "feeling decent and good". I couldn't care less if someone, i didn't know had died or not. When I die, I don't expect any RIP's, and it really doesn't matter. There are hundreds of people dying in Thailand every day, but normally the ones reported here are about people from our own race/tribe.

My a suggest a special RIP-subforum here on Thaivisa, so all you PC guys can RIP all day long, and I promise you, that insensitive posters like myself will stay away!

How many people in the world?

7 Billion...give or take a few?!

How many people died in the 9/11 attacks?

4.000?

So it is very safe to say that almost NO ONE knew any of these guys, so stop memorial services, right?!

WW2?

I don't know anyone who died there...not even my grandparents... and I am German!

So...puleaze stop rememberance day parades, right?!

Such a waste of time, such hollow phrases!

Do you want me to go further?

Do you know any jewish people???

By the way: I apologize, IF you knew any of these people.

I didn't mean to hurt you personally!

Why?

It is called EMPATHY!

I suggest, you google that, because I doubt that you know that word!

Twonk.

Before I start googeling "Twonk"...what does that mean?

It's a Brit slang word that means something my folk will understand. Don't care if you understand it cos your a Twonk.

A good word cos doesn't break forum rules eh.

[DocN]

I found it!

Care to elaborate?

Otherwise I just will return the compliment...

[endure]

Googling 'RIP' I came across someone asking 'how do you say RIP in Latin'

[endure]

"Twonk"

Used as an insult it surely does break rule 4

[tinfoilhat]

To me, writing RIP is really just

Post count +1

No sentiment expressed or effort expended. Quite similar to if you just post "lol", or "Happy Birthday"

Posts like this have no sincerity and are just automated replies, with neither the brain or heart even activating, let alone contributing to the thread

Personally, I think that it's almost verging on insulting that someone offers such little effort when someone has just died. Better to post a full sentence or nothing at all imo.

What a load of tosh. God help us.

Do you know what many floral tributes at a funeral have written on them.

R.I.P......... which you probably don't know means ''Rest In Piece''.

so it is appropriate only after death by dismemberment?

Edited October 9, 2012 by tinfoilhat

[tinfoilhat]

it has been very correctly pointed out that few here feel the need to offer up the sentiment should the occasion be the reported death of a thai.

don't believe me check out the Grisly Murders in Bangkok.

or perhaps that was just not a courtesy being offered up to mourn what posters suspected to be dad bears.

[transam]

"Twonk"

Used as an insult it surely does break rule 4

But Del Boy used it every week on the BBC. The word belongs to him.

[endure]

"Twonk"

Used as an insult it surely does break rule 4

But Del Boy used it every week on the BBC. The word belongs to him.

So you admit to owning a Reliant Robin then?

[transam]

"Twonk"

Used as an insult it surely does break rule 4

But Del Boy used it every week on the BBC. The word belongs to him.

So you admit to owning a Reliant Robin then?

Drat, my street cred is blown.

[WilliaminBKK]

Why show compassion with a person, you have never met? To me the RIP-posters here are just doing it for their own "feeling decent and good". I couldn't care less if someone, i didn't know had died or not. When I die, I don't expect any RIP's, and it really doesn't matter. There are hundreds of people dying in Thailand every day, but normally the ones reported here are about people from our own race/tribe.

My a suggest a special RIP-subforum here on Thaivisa, so all you PC guys can RIP all day long, and I promise you, that insensitive posters like myself will stay away!

How many people in the world?

7 Billion...give or take a few?!

How many people died in the 9/11 attacks?

4.000?

So it is very safe to say that almost NO ONE knew any of these guys, so stop memorial services, right?!

WW2?

I don't know anyone who died there...not even my grandparents... and I am German!

So...puleaze stop rememberance day parades, right?!

Such a waste of time, such hollow phrases!

Do you want me to go further?

Do you know any jewish people???

By the way: I apologize, IF you knew any of these people.

I didn't mean to hurt you personally!

Why?

It is called EMPATHY!

I suggest, you google that, because I doubt that you know that word!

I know the word & it's fine for physiotherapists & bankers but the rest of us mere mortals should have feelings IMO.

I never knew your parents, grandparents or any family member or friend that touched your life, if by chance we're chatting and you mention they passed away I guess my response would be "whatever" according to your logic ? but no I was raised to care so I'll still say I'm sorry for your loss.

I am proud when I see youngsters wearing a poppy, Sep11 memorial services, Never Again Memorials & yes I generally stop when I see a hearse going by - I thought it showed signs of a civilised society knowing & respecting our past in order to move forward.

[Semper]

Do you know any jewish people???

Can't say I do , but I know of several Chinese people in Thailand.

Edited October 9, 2012 by Semper

[Rob8891]

Slate me TVers, but I believe, by reading a story of someone's demise, even if unknown, you are entering, just a little bit, into their life and death.

If the story has touched you in some way, giving condolences by saying RIP is a simple way of expressing that.

If you have had any meaningful loss of loved ones in your life, any reasonable human being should be able to sympathise with the family and friends of a someone else that has died, whether you knew them or not.

Every untimely death I read about reminds me of my own grief.

One particular story on TV sticks in my mind as I write this, and that is of a poster called 'ajarn'. I didn't know him, but I was, and still am, moved by his life and death story. I also didn't know Aryton Senna, Colin McRae and Booby Moore, but I feel there loss, as I would the victims of any crime, accident or premature death that I read about.

RIP to all of the above I have mentioned.

I have made some crass posts in this thread, which I regret. LucidLucifer's post, and a couple of others have made me stop and reassess what I SHOULD have said.

I agree with the comment about reminding one of one's own grief. There were times (for instance the deaths of my father, my wife and more recently my mother) when I really appreciated the support and sympathy expressed by those three letters. For those of you who think that RIP is meaningless or for selfish ends, I would say you are 100% wrong. It helps to bolster the living who are grieving. If in doing good to others we feel good in ourselves, this is not wrong.

For those who have denigrated the sentiment of RIP, I hope that you don't find yourself in the awful position of suffering the pain of a loss and lack support from other people. I would not wish that on anyone. Assuming I shuffle off this mortal coil before the younger members of my family, I hope that they will recieve the support of others, even through three letters.

RIP.

[theblether]

Re LucidLucifer's quite outstanding post.........

I did know Colin McRae, when I was a teenager his Dad, Jimmy, was a British Champion Rally driver. He was also in partnership with a friend's Dad in a motorcycle shop, called McRae & Allen. I can clearly remember watching my friends riding Moto X, and being very successful at it.....however Colin was always more interested in the driving rather that Moto X.

I can remember going for nights out with Colin, and chilling out with his family, especially his younger brother Alister. I remember both brothers being fine young men and their Dad was a local hero. At the time Alister and Colin could call me by name, they knew me and knew my group of friends, however as time passes we all lose contact with people, and although I always kept an eye on their progress, especially Colin, it was always from a distance and with pride.

Now Colin died in a helicopter crash at his home in the town that I was born in, along with his best friend, his son, and another little boy. it was a devastating blow to many people, to many families, and to a Worldwide community of friends and admirers. I remember the funeral taking place but even though it was only 10 miles away from my home at that time I didn't attend. The turnout was massive as you would expect.

A few weeks later I was at a glittering bash called the Great Scot Awards, Colin was given a posthumous lifetime achievement award and his father went up on the stage to receive the award on behalf of Colin and his family. Mr McRae gave a heartfelt speech and he was given a warm and emotional ovation from the audience which included the Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, Sir Alex Ferguson, Duncan Bannatyne, and dozens of Scottish sporting, business and entertainment heroes.

I made no attempt to approach Mr McRae after the presentation ceremonies were over, he would have known me, certainly after prompting, but it had been 20 years since I had last spent time in his company. What could I say? Sometimes in life it is better to just stand back and let things play out around you.

At one point in my life Colin McRae was a friend of mine, but paths diverge, and his path ended too soon. Among the Thaivisa membership I bet we could all tell the story of the good friend that you haven't seen for years, and how taken aback you were when you heard that they had passed. Sometimes when people pass they take a whole part of your life with them.

I've seen the threads where there are now Anti-RIP cheerleaders, they queue up now to goad those who will visit the thread to pass on this most simple of human respects to those that have passed. It doesn't matter how many times they are implored to remember that friends and family of the deceased may happen across the thread, they can't wait to vent their narrow minded spleen........and so it happened.

The tragic tale last week of the South African gentleman who was murdered in Thailand, one particular TV member Coma, did an excellent job of breaking the news and helping the process of quick identification along. We had the usual Thai bashing, speculation, comments etc etc, and of course, we had those weirdos queueing up to bait those that wished to pass on their condolences. Unfortunately for them, several people came forward and identified themselves as being friends of Oswald, and these friends had to wade through a sea of bullsh*t in their quest for answers and advice as to what to do.

Quite frankly, it was embarrassing, what a reflection upon our wonderful website that these idiots managed to derail such a serious topic with such crass and insensitive stupidity. To me TV should now consider automatically removing these stupid Anti-RIP posts, as they can't even be construed as fair comment, they are worthless and embarrassing comments.

The excellent work done by the membership, by the news team, and by the admin and moderators of the site is undone in part by these Category One clowns. It really was a Face Palm moment for me when I realized that Oswald's friends were having to wade through that sh*t.

I knew Colin McRae as a boy, and I regret his passing as a man, RIP Colin, you made a difference to many lives. The day that I fall into the trap of treating the loss of human life with contempt and as an opportunity to goad other people who are in touch with their humanity.......shoot me.......and don't say RIP, I won't deserve it.

To those of you that can't wait to goad people on those tragic threads.........you truly are sad, sad people. Your mothers would be so proud, eh?

[Tropicalevo]

To the OP - I agree,

I am unable to tell from reading a computer monitor whether the person making the post knows or does not know the unfortunate deceased. - unless they specifically state otherwise.

Equally, I cannot tell if the sentiment is a genuine, well intended - "I feel sympathy with your loss' or something else.

However, I believe that most people are well meaning (with the few exceptions that you have identified) and so I am pleased that humanity does feel some sorrow when someone passes away - usually in difficult circumstances here on TV. I sometimes post RIP notes and think - 'there but for the grace of god go I'. I post these thoughts with NO ultertior motive.

If some people do not like this - do not read it! No one is forcing you to read every message on TV! Move on and get a life.

Obviously a few rolls on this one (sadly)

[smokie36]

I was taught that if I haven't got something decent to say I should keep my mouth shout. Whilst not always applicable I follow that advice on threads which family members of the deceased may come across.

This is all day the correct answer. That and for some who cannot express any other way at times gives comfort to friends and family reading here.

It saddens me that such basic human emotion cannot be expressed on here without complaint.

Ignorance or simple nonchalance even but complaint?

Very sad indeed.

[qdinthailand]

...snip

Quite frankly, it was embarrassing, what a reflection upon our wonderful website that these idiots managed to derail such a serious topic with such crass and insensitive stupidity. To me TV should now consider automatically removing these stupid Anti-RIP posts, as they can't even be construed as fair comment, they are worthless and embarrassing comments.

The excellent work done by the membership, by the news team, and by the admin and moderators of the site is undone in part by these Category One clowns.

...snip

Sorry, but I disagree, in that I believe there is too much censorship on Thai Visa. I can understand the issue with talking about the King of Thailand, and understand that some posters on TV are extremely crass, crude and unthoughtful in some of their postings, but censorship should be minimal; saying that there should be more is IMHO totally wrong.

I would say there should be less - but that also demands that all TV members use more discretion in what they post.