Foreigner Shot Dead In Saraburi

[vesiva]

Work all your life and end up shoved into a nursing home playing dominoes with senile folk staring out the rain splattered window with mind numbing repeats of come dancing on in the background wondering what your life was really all about.

Alternatively retire here and live life on the edge fully aware that one wrong move, one wrong word, one wrong businesses deal you could end up like this poor bloke shot and dumped on the side of the road like a worthless animal.

rip

Or alternatively, retire somewhere else where one wrong move/word/business deal does not get you murdered in your bed one night by people that you thought you could trust and that are just after your money::-) (I would think there are more than two options here:-)

[freedom4life]

Given the stats on murdered expats., no issue with carrying one. Buddy had no issue with carrying a gun to kill this fellow. Foreigners are not allowed to carry guns?...too bad. I'd rather carry one and have the playing field even. Authorities don't like it...again, too bad. Do their job and you won't have us doing it for them.

[Beetlejuice]

At the risk of sounding nieve. If he was indeed dragged/carried 80m to a shallow grave there would be forensic evidence everywhere. Hope they get the people that did this.

As for the post from timewilltell.

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Murder should not be added to the list of things a blind eye is turned to.

The murder rate is actually very high in Thailand but it doesn't often involve foreigners.

unlike other countries i.e. Philippines for example the Police will get involved and will likely catch the people that did this.

I've been here 10 years and on the whole feel pretty safe.

Forensic in Thailand, I doubt very much they will be bothered..

You’re speaking total manure.

This is not the West; the police simply do not have the financing or resources. It`s not like as depicted by the American movies where they have all the latest high tech crime fighting amenities at their finger tips.

My son and his cousin are both policeman in Chiang Mai and I can tell you that the equipment available to them is a joke. Computers, communicators, uniforms, firearms, weapons and in most cases even vehicles they have to supply themselves. Forensics is most often right at the bottom of they’re list of priorities. It`s not a case that the police are not bothered, it`s simply that they have limitations due to lack of resources.

Visit any police station yourself and see first hand the facilities available to them.

Your statement is made out of ignorance and is obvious that you know little, if anything at all, about the infrastructure of Thailand.

I was not happy about my son joining the police force. His cousin talked him into it. I’ve never been able to relax since he joined, worrying that he will lose his life in the line of duty one day. Over the last couple of years he’s had some close calls. The police have a tough job for very little gratification and the majority are dedicated and serve well, regardless how the Western media likes to depict them as corrupt and just a job for the boys.

Edited September 30, 2012 by Beetlejuice

[cosmont]

It seems to be every other day these news. A foreigner murdered by a local(which in this case it is not proven, but if it is 'the usual business' , I assume it is the case.)

Very sad the way thailand is going down the drains,also because they rely so much on tourists and foreigners economically.

I once wished to go to thailand to live, but after reading this forum, I would never do it. In fact , I would not even go there on holiday, I think.

It seems like a society gone mentally ill.

On one hand they do anything to appear white, on the other hand there is a real hatred for foreigners.

Now, if i was male, I would NEVER marry a thai, because how can you be really sure?

Don't know what the attitudes towards white females are, but there sure are a lot of attacks on those, too.

Luckily, Asia is large and there are plenty other countries to choose from. As it is now, Thailand would be at the very bottom of my list. Such a beautiful country, but such ugly mentality. Really sad.

I've never had problems here. But then again I try to stay away from the bars(never met my wife there). But even doing that you can't stop everything. It's just generally more dangerous here than back home.

You don't need to meet your wife in a Bar to get in trouble with a Thai woman, bad women can be anywhere in this country, even in middle class or Hiso.

Behind the famous THai smile, Thailand is the land of hypocrisy, falseness and greediness. Beware, It is more dangerous here because you feel confortable, safe and dream everyone is kind but it is not the paradise... Wake up, dream is over !

[DonW]

Given the stats on murdered expats., no issue with carrying one. Buddy had no issue with carrying a gun to kill this fellow. Foreigners are not allowed to carry guns?...too bad. I'd rather carry one and have the playing field even. Authorities don't like it...again, too bad. Do their job and you won't have us doing it for them.

In my experience if you don't create any problems, then you are safe. And just be sensible.

As for murder rates, Thailand has a murder rate 10 fold of the UK and the detection rate is running at 20% (of the crimes they class as murder!). Knocking someone off their bike, on the way home from the pub and there isn't likley to be a murdr case!

[soi41]

Work all your life and end up shoved into a nursing home playing dominoes with senile folk staring out the rain splattered window with mind numbing repeats of come dancing on in the background wondering what your life was really all about.

Alternatively retire here and live life on the edge fully aware that one wrong move, one wrong word, one wrong businesses deal you could end up like this poor bloke shot and dumped on the side of the road like a worthless animal.

rip

Or alternatively, retire somewhere else where one wrong move/word/business deal does not get you murdered in your bed one night by people that you thought you could trust and that are just after your money::-) (I would think there are more than two options here:-)

After reading your 2 post on this topic, where you clearly demonstrates, that you despise Thailand and Thais, what are you doing here on a forum about Thailand. Instead of spewing your venom here, join a forum in one of your "nice" Asian countries!

[davejones]

Is it me or are stories of this nature getting more frequent.

Thai Society seems to be descending onto a slippery slope with the Rule of Law openly ignored by the rich and influential with them not even bothering any more to try to conceal it. It is almost reverse anarchy where those in power run amok. With role models such as those running the country, the military, the police and just about every other service or agency run by the local or national government, what hope is there that the general low level population will give a dam_n about the law either.

Thais accept so many things in their society now, two faced attitudes, corruption rampant with some reports of 60% of government funded schemes going into the pockets of the politicians and government officials, lousy education and a million other things. Murder should not be added to the list of things a blind eye is turned to. I hope this case is investigated with vigour and vigilance and not just left in a file to gather dust because it earns the police no money.

I hope the family of this man finds closure and him peace. There but for the grace of God go I - I wonder how long His grace will last sometimes.

Still safer than USA, where almost 500 people got murdered in their place work in the last year, including 4 in Chicago today/yesterday. I think some people conveniently forget how much this sort of thing goes on in other countries. This sort of thing happens all over the world, not just in Thailand. Most of the violence against farangs that I read about in Thailand is committed by other farangs.

[davejones]

this is Thailand , Chances of finding the killer -1%

That is simply not true. Why do you feel the need to peddle lies?

[DonW]

Is it me or are stories of this nature getting more frequent.

Thai Society seems to be descending onto a slippery slope with the Rule of Law openly ignored by the rich and influential with them not even bothering any more to try to conceal it. It is almost reverse anarchy where those in power run amok. With role models such as those running the country, the military, the police and just about every other service or agency run by the local or national government, what hope is there that the general low level population will give a dam_n about the law either.

Thais accept so many things in their society now, two faced attitudes, corruption rampant with some reports of 60% of government funded schemes going into the pockets of the politicians and government officials, lousy education and a million other things. Murder should not be added to the list of things a blind eye is turned to. I hope this case is investigated with vigour and vigilance and not just left in a file to gather dust because it earns the police no money.

I hope the family of this man finds closure and him peace. There but for the grace of God go I - I wonder how long His grace will last sometimes.

Still safer than USA, where almost 500 people got murdered in their place work in the last year, including 4 in Chicago today/yesterday. I think some people conveniently forget how much this sort of thing goes on in other countries. This sort of thing happens all over the world, not just in Thailand. Most of the violence against farangs that I read about in Thailand is committed by other farangs.

That wouldnt be hard - most places are safer than the USA. There were more murders in Brooklyn than the whole of the UK in 2007!

Thailand remains, in the main, a dangerous place as far as murder is concerned. Thankfully Violence against the person remains minimal. Just dont let small things grow into bg things. And dont marry hookers or drug addicts,

[cosmont]

When reading this article, I remember the article of a few weeks ago about the Falang (British Gentleman) shot outside of his house after riding home on his motorcycle late at night. I remember reading the initial comments on that article when it first came out...that Thailand is becoming violent...that it is not safe for a Falang in Thailand...that it was gang related...it was road rage....that TiT and they will never catch the killers.

And then the police determined it was the wife who hired people to gun down her husband and made arrests.

I don't presume to know what happened here. But it seems to me that this murder was very emotional. The victim was shot in the mouth. The victim was stripped and left naked except for underwear. The body was moved by three people.You don't do this if you're just going to rob someone. The murderers of the guy on the bike...they didn't shoot him in the head execution style. They jumped out of the bushes and hit wherever they could with their guns. Someone clearly had a beef with the deceased (RIP); it's not "random" violence that could happen to anyone. The deceased made an enemy with someone.

The killers could be Thai. The killers could be Falang. I don't know. But it's like this...when dealing with issues of money...I always thought that the Falangs are more dangerous to Falangs. A Thai can feed on Thai and Falang. A Falang can only feed on another Falang.

Everyone forgot this case, but it was just one year ago :

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/09/04/national/Two-held-in-alleged-murder-of-Frenchman-over-motor-30164456.html

Killed for a motorbike deal !

The victim had kids and wife, so sad story also.

[ALFREDO]

I wonder in which specific part/district of Saraburi did this happen?

From the Thai News Paper

Kaeng Khoi, Saraburi. From the Khoi street - about 80 meters Moo 4, Ban Tha Rua district Maprang.

[Fozfromoz]

Work all your life and end up shoved into a nursing home playing dominoes with senile folk staring out the rain splattered window with mind numbing repeats of come dancing on in the background wondering what your life was really all about.

Alternatively retire here and live life on the edge fully aware that one wrong move, one wrong word, one wrong businesses deal you could end up like this poor bloke shot and dumped on the side of the road like a worthless animal.

rip

Paragraph 2 still wins though for me.

[ttelise]

At the risk of sounding nieve. If he was indeed dragged/carried 80m to a shallow grave there would be forensic evidence everywhere. Hope they get the people that did this.

As for the post from timewilltell.

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Murder should not be added to the list of things a blind eye is turned to.

The murder rate is actually very high in Thailand but it doesn't often involve foreigners.

unlike other countries i.e. Philippines for example the Police will get involved and will likely catch the people that did this.

I've been here 10 years and on the whole feel pretty safe.

Forensic in Thailand, I doubt very much they will be bothered..

I disagree, when foreigners have been killed in the past the Police have investigated and often catch the people responsible. Their motivation might be that it harms tourism but when foreigners are murdered its certainly looked into.

As for forensic science here. They don't have finger printing as far as I know and we can probably rule out DNA. Its basically a one woman band by the name of Pornthip Rojanasunand. She used to be in the papers all the time. haven't seen her face for a few years now.

Still, lets hope they catch the people responsible.

True, except for suicides, those dying from natural causes like bleeding to death from a knife wound, and those dying from drowning after tying their own hands together and hitting their own heads against rocks before a swim, those that suddenly forgot how to fly and then those deaths from unknown causes. . . . Oh yeah, and those who allegedly drink bug spray.

Almost forgot, they certainly solve murders that get media attention, but no murders by wealthy individuals with potential to pay large bribes, by cops, politicians or feiends of cops and politicians ever occur in Thailand. Oops, Uzi accidentally discharged and let's make him a cop comes to mind.

Edited September 30, 2012 by ttelise

[vesiva]

Work all your life and end up shoved into a nursing home playing dominoes with senile folk staring out the rain splattered window with mind numbing repeats of come dancing on in the background wondering what your life was really all about.

Alternatively retire here and live life on the edge fully aware that one wrong move, one wrong word, one wrong businesses deal you could end up like this poor bloke shot and dumped on the side of the road like a worthless animal.

rip

Or alternatively, retire somewhere else where one wrong move/word/business deal does not get you murdered in your bed one night by people that you thought you could trust and that are just after your money::-) (I would think there are more than two options here:-)

After reading your 2 post on this topic, where you clearly demonstrates, that you despise Thailand and Thais, what are you doing here on a forum about Thailand. Instead of spewing your venom here, join a forum in one of your "nice" Asian countries!

I thought you were allowed to comment on news in here. and I think I have the right to do so. As long as the news are not false, I cannot see what is wrong with that.

Or do you think I should pull wool over my eyes.? In a forum it must be allowed to discuss topics and have other opinions than yourself. It should be ok, to have an opinion, even if it differs from yours,you know.

As you can see, there are plenty of other people here that feels the same way. I don't know you ,so you should not take everything that people say here personally . Or is this a forum for people of only one opinion? In that case, I have totally misunderstood the meaning of forums...

[davejones]

You don't need to meet your wife in a Bar to get in trouble with a Thai woman, bad women can be anywhere in this country, even in middle class or Hiso.

Behind the famous THai smile, Thailand is the land of hypocrisy, falseness and greediness. Beware, It is more dangerous here because you feel confortable, safe and dream everyone is kind but it is not the paradise... Wake up, dream is over !

So, when are you going to wake up and leave? Why have you decided t live in a dangerous country? If you really think it's that dangerous here, then you are very stupid to stay.

[Lormaak]

To anyone asking (and there was at least one) if this sort of thing is becoming more common, the answer is no. What is true, however, is that the spread of information is far quicker now, what with the information age and all. Ten years ago and this wouldn't have registered with anyone other than those who caught the tenth item of the local news in Thai. Still, a deliberate killing is sad, whoever it is, and whatever they did. I hope the deceased suffered minimally in his final moments.

[Beetlejuice]

If anyone knows this guy, than it is your duty to report to the police, even anonymously.

A truly terrible state of affairs.

And become a suspect so can shift blame from Thai to farang.

Go into an Internet cafe.

Sign up with a new Hotmail address.

Send the message to the police or to the newspaper that has published the story.

Sign out of Hotmail, walk out of Internet cafe and never use that Hotmail address again.

OR

Print out a letter, post from a post box to the police or to the newspaper that has published the story.

Only need to give the man`s name, nationality and address if known.

There are ways and means.

This guy probably has family somewhere, perhaps children, and if anyone knows this man please don`t make the family suffer, plus the police have limited resources, help them, please and bring the murderers to book.

To send an email in not a good solution if you are thinking to keep your status anonymous. It can easily trace through cafe's log book, IP address, CCTV cam in the cafe etc. Sending printed hard-copy is always better, but remember, not of laser printer, as it also print several printer related codes in micro text format. And thus, it also can trace back. Inkjet or Bubble-jet or DOT Matrix is a better option.

I am sorry to hear about the death, may his soul rest in peace.

As I said, there are ways and means.

I have always kept my head down and stayed within the laws of Thailand, so therefore would have no concerns if I knew the man and walked into a police station to give details.

The police are not fools, and if above board, would have nothing to fear.

[MahaYellow]

Oh .... yeah.

Very funny !

Farang who got in the way of a Thai.

[MahaYellow]

You don't need to meet your wife in a Bar to get in trouble with a Thai woman, bad women can be anywhere in this country, even in middle class or Hiso.

Behind the famous THai smile, Thailand is the land of hypocrisy, falseness and greediness. Beware, It is more dangerous here because you feel confortable, safe and dream everyone is kind but it is not the paradise... Wake up, dream is over !

So, when are you going to wake up and leave? Why have you decided t live in a dangerous country? If you really think it's that dangerous here, then you are very stupid to stay.

Thailand doesn't seem to be attracting a lot of clever farangs.

Clever farangs go elsewhere !

[moskito]

nice posts so far, from Thaibashing to people wich feel safer here as in mothers house...

I mean, He was shot in the MOUTH ... that doesnt look like an accident... Sometimes I think I live in a country where 90 Percent off the Farangs

behave like children...most of you guys behave like this. Be it on ladybars or on your Harleys or when you still talk like

you are 25 y.o. and can rip the world apart... To me its looking like he just pi55ed the wrong people off.

may he rest in peace...

[moskito]

Thailand doesn't seem to be attracting a lot of clever farangs.

Clever farangs go elsewhere !

you wish ..

[RedQualia]

It seems to be every other day these news. A foreigner murdered by a local(which in this case it is not proven, but if it is 'the usual business' , I assume it is the case.)

Very sad the way thailand is going down the drains,also because they rely so much on tourists and foreigners economically.

I once wished to go to thailand to live, but after reading this forum, I would never do it. In fact , I would not even go there on holiday, I think.

It seems like a society gone mentally ill.

On one hand they do anything to appear white, on the other hand there is a real hatred for foreigners.

Now, if i was male, I would NEVER marry a thai, because how can you be really sure?

Don't know what the attitudes towards white females are, but there sure are a lot of attacks on those, too.

Luckily, Asia is large and there are plenty other countries to choose from. As it is now, Thailand would be at the very bottom of my list. Such a beautiful country, but such ugly mentality. Really sad.

Once again, after seeing a headline, I've made the mistake of intending to read only the main story on thaivisa, and then gone ahead to read comments. This particular comment (and many others, as per usual) offers only opinion, with nothing to back it up. "Thailand is going down the drain?" "A real hatred for foreigners?" "Such an ugly mentality?" And comments from someone who doesn't live here in Thailand. Is apparently afraid to live here in Thailand.

There is a website - www.nationmaster.com - that addresses all of these details. Have a look at the page at http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes. Number one for total crimes? The USA by a landslide (I'd love to see it broken down by state, but no...). Number 2: the UK. Number 3: Germany. Number 4: France. Look at how far down the list Thailand is: Number 20.

Click on any of the links for more stats on the country in question. The United States, for example. Where we find that the USA is number 1 for murders commited by firearms, number 1 for auto thefts, number 3 for murders committed by youth. Number 13 for rape.

Click on the UK. Number 2 for assault. Number 2 for auto theft. Number 6 for rape. Number 29 for murders committed by youth, and number 29 for murders committed with firearms.

Click on Thailand. Number 35 in auto theft. Murders committed by youth? Number 8. Murders committed with firearms? Number 3. Still two points below the USA. For whatever reason, "rape" is not included on the Thailand summary page. But you can find it here: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes. Thailand is number 78. That's quite, quite far behind the USA, the UK, Germany, Russia, Sweden, The Philippines, and on and on and on.

Murders per 100,000 people? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per_100_peo-murders-per-100-000-people. The Philippines is number 21. Cambodia, number 27. Mexico is number 43. Thailand number 48. The USA is number 63.

"Governmental violence" (executions)? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe-crime-executions. Number 1: China. Number 7: the USA. Thailand is tied with six other countries for number 31.

Whether I get whacked tomorrow or not (same thing could happen elsewhere) - I'm happy here, and will continue to "take my chances."

As for Vesiva, hey - you should "NEVER marry a thai, because how can you be really sure?" (My Thai wife is one of the most wonderful people I've ever met. I'm quite, quite sure.)

And/or, maybe you should live in China. Or The Philippines. Or Cambodia. Or the USA. Or the UK. As can be seen at www.nationmaster.com, things are just Oh So Much Better in such places...

[phuturatica]

Very sad story. I hope they get to the bottom of this and the family of the deceased are notified. May he RIP.

[paz]

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Let's hope the BIB get to the bottom of this ASAP. I guess English media will be picking up the story when the BIB estabilsh the victims identity.

Excuse me, you know for a fact the victim was English? Or that there are only English foreigners in Thailand?

[geriatrickid]

In the past, shooting someone point blank in the mouth was intended to send a message: Big mouth, talk too much, might have threatened someone, i.e. mouthed off to the wrong person, or may have said he would take the matter to the authorities.

Shooting someone in the mouth is a very personal act and requires effort. It is much easier to shoot someone in the back or the head and to be done with it. There is a message here and I anticipate that as the case develops we will see this demonstrated.

[DonW]

PS my Thai aint great before I get shout down. Its perhaps B1 level about the same level as your average prozzie.

[DonW]

In the past, shooting someone point blank in the mouth was intended to send a message: Big mouth, talk too much, might have threatened someone, i.e. mouthed off to the wrong person, or may have said he would take the matter to the authorities.

.

Where? In Thailand?

[Bramdaddy]

Now, if i was male, I would NEVER marry a thai, because how can you be really sure?

Be sure of what?

I think you give too much credence to Thai Visa. Yes, I would agree that it seems violence is on the rise, and it is sad. But it's a very small minority. Read any newspaper in most countries and you'd see the same kind of tragedies, I'm afraid.

[MaxYakov]

Farang who got in the way of a Thai.

When did foreigner mean "falang"

It appears as though if one is of the caucasian race and white, then they are identified aa a farang/falang by the Thai. This matches my experience in discussing this with my Thai GF, at least:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farang

If one is curious about the caucasian race:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

[Bramdaddy]

It seems to be every other day these news. A foreigner murdered by a local(which in this case it is not proven, but if it is 'the usual business' , I assume it is the case.)

Very sad the way thailand is going down the drains,also because they rely so much on tourists and foreigners economically.

I once wished to go to thailand to live, but after reading this forum, I would never do it. In fact , I would not even go there on holiday, I think.

It seems like a society gone mentally ill.

On one hand they do anything to appear white, on the other hand there is a real hatred for foreigners.

Now, if i was male, I would NEVER marry a thai, because how can you be really sure?

Don't know what the attitudes towards white females are, but there sure are a lot of attacks on those, too.

Luckily, Asia is large and there are plenty other countries to choose from. As it is now, Thailand would be at the very bottom of my list. Such a beautiful country, but such ugly mentality. Really sad.

Once again, after seeing a headline, I've made the mistake of intending to read only the main story on thaivisa, and then gone ahead to read comments. This particular comment (and many others, as per usual) offers only opinion, with nothing to back it up. "Thailand is going down the drain?" "A real hatred for foreigners?" "Such an ugly mentality?" And comments from someone who doesn't live here in Thailand. Is apparently afraid to live here in Thailand.

There is a website - www.nationmaster.com - that addresses all of these details. Have a look at the page at http://www.nationmas...me-total-crimes. Number one for total crimes? The USA by a landslide (I'd love to see it broken down by state, but no...). Number 2: the UK. Number 3: Germany. Number 4: France. Look at how far down the list Thailand is: Number 20.

Click on any of the links for more stats on the country in question. The United States, for example. Where we find that the USA is number 1 for murders commited by firearms, number 1 for auto thefts, number 3 for murders committed by youth. Number 13 for rape.

Click on the UK. Number 2 for assault. Number 2 for auto theft. Number 6 for rape. Number 29 for murders committed by youth, and number 29 for murders committed with firearms.

Click on Thailand. Number 35 in auto theft. Murders committed by youth? Number 8. Murders committed with firearms? Number 3. Still two points below the USA. For whatever reason, "rape" is not included on the Thailand summary page. But you can find it here: http://www.nationmas...rap-crime-rapes. Thailand is number 78. That's quite, quite far behind the USA, the UK, Germany, Russia, Sweden, The Philippines, and on and on and on.

Murders per 100,000 people? http://www.nationmas...-100-000-people. The Philippines is number 21. Cambodia, number 27. Mexico is number 43. Thailand number 48. The USA is number 63.

"Governmental violence" (executions)? http://www.nationmas...rime-executions. Number 1: China. Number 7: the USA. Thailand is tied with six other countries for number 31.

Whether I get whacked tomorrow or not (same thing could happen elsewhere) - I'm happy here, and will continue to "take my chances."

As for Vesiva, hey - you should "NEVER marry a thai, because how can you be really sure?" (My Thai wife is one of the most wonderful people I've ever met. I'm quite, quite sure.)

And/or, maybe you should live in China. Or The Philippines. Or Cambodia. Or the USA. Or the UK. As can be seen at www.nationmaster.com, things are just Oh So Much Better in such places...

I'll second that! My thai wife is an amazing woman. I am quite sure the love is real. A man knows, believe me.