Australian, 93, Faces Sexual Assault Charges In Thailand

[cbrer]

I doubt anybody except those inside will know the interaction between the Royal Thai Police and Western police forces stationed in CM (Australian Fed Pol. and FBI/DEA etc.)

I doubt even more that anyone inside will be posting about the goings on in a Thaivisa thread about an accused paedophile.

Like most Westerners stationed here for a period of time, and working with Thais, I would presume they know how things really work here. That is all I would say on the matter.

[cbrer]

^^ Well spit it out. What are you on about with this Chiang Mai Western Police Force tangent....

At what level did a western police force have to do with this case?

I suspect none, other than it being reported to them, and then again when he jumped bail.

If you have further documented information please present it.

Edited October 5, 2012 by cbrer

[GentlemanJim]

With regards to what exactly?

This case?

I don't fully get what you're asking/inferring I'm afraid.

Are you aware of any Western police units or activity in Chiang Mai?.........I suppose that question now goes for you too GentlemanJim.

Sorry the questions come firmly back to you. Why are you asking that? Are you saying that a western police unit was involved with this case and is involved in compiling evidence? If not what exactly is the point of your...point!

[theblether]

I doubt anybody except those inside will know the interaction between the Royal Thai Police and Western police forces stationed in CM (Australian Fed Pol. and FBI/DEA etc.)

I doubt even more that anyone inside will be posting about the goings on in a Thaivisa thread about an accused paedophile.

Like most Westerners stationed here for a period of time, and working with Thais, I would presume they know how things really work here. That is all I would say on the matter.

There's a lot more to it than that, you will find that there are British trained Thai police specialists working in this field in Chiang Mai. Along with permanently stationed British police. I can't comment about the US or Australian police as I don't know for sure, however the US has been at the forefront of the war against paedophilia in Thailand so I would be amazed if they didn't have a presence in Chiang Mai.

[theblether]

With regards to what exactly?

This case?

I don't fully get what you're asking/inferring I'm afraid.

Are you aware of any Western police units or activity in Chiang Mai?.........I suppose that question now goes for you too GentlemanJim.

Sorry the questions come firmly back to you. Why are you asking that? Are you saying that a western police unit was involved with this case and is involved in compiling evidence? If not what exactly is the point of your...point!

cbrer took the low road in casting aspersions against the Thai police, it was the easy out......I'm asking a simple question, are you aware that there are Western police in Chiang Mai? You're British, are you specifically aware that there are British police stationed in Chiang Mai? Are you also aware that their primary function is to keep track of paedophiles and liaise with the Thai police on this issue? Are you further aware that there are British trained Thai police specialists in Chiang Mai?

@cbrer, you know I can't provide documentary evidence of collusion between the police forces on this issue. That proves nothing........I'm asking a simple question.....are you aware that there are Western police active in Chiang Mai, yes or no?

Edited October 5, 2012 by theblether

[GentlemanJim]

I doubt anybody except those inside will know the interaction between the Royal Thai Police and Western police forces stationed in CM (Australian Fed Pol. and FBI/DEA etc.)

I doubt even more that anyone inside will be posting about the goings on in a Thaivisa thread about an accused paedophile.

Like most Westerners stationed here for a period of time, and working with Thais, I would presume they know how things really work here. That is all I would say on the matter.

There's a lot more to it than that, you will find that there are British trained Thai police specialists working in this field in Chiang Mai. Along with permanently stationed British police. I can't comment about the US or Australian police as I don't know for sure, however the US has been at the forefront of the war against paedophilia in Thailand so I would be amazed if they didn't have a presence in Chiang Mai.

Well I sincerely hope with the standard of evidence gathering, releases of information to the press and the handling of the accused there are absolutely no western units involved otherwise it would be a shameful indictment on their professional standards. What point are you trying to make?

Edit, I have seen your last post, no need to continue, It's not really relevant to the case is it.

Edited October 5, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[theblether]

I doubt anybody except those inside will know the interaction between the Royal Thai Police and Western police forces stationed in CM (Australian Fed Pol. and FBI/DEA etc.)

I doubt even more that anyone inside will be posting about the goings on in a Thaivisa thread about an accused paedophile.

Like most Westerners stationed here for a period of time, and working with Thais, I would presume they know how things really work here. That is all I would say on the matter.

There's a lot more to it than that, you will find that there are British trained Thai police specialists working in this field in Chiang Mai. Along with permanently stationed British police. I can't comment about the US or Australian police as I don't know for sure, however the US has been at the forefront of the war against paedophilia in Thailand so I would be amazed if they didn't have a presence in Chiang Mai.

Well I sincerely hope with the standard of evidence gathering, releases of information to the press and the handling of the accused there are absolutely no western units involved otherwise it would be a shameful indictment on their professional standards. What point are you trying to make?

Edit, I have seen your last post, no need to continue, It's not really relevant to the case is it.

It's totally relevant to the case........cbrer has set himself up as an expert on this thread, and he cast aspersions against the Thai police.....so he can speak for himself, is he aware that there are Western police units active in Chiang Mai, and further is he aware that there are British trained Thai police specialists active in Chiang Mai.

[endure]

@endure

You forgot the part in the process that states " Suspect jumps bail and flees the country "

Jumping bail and fleeing the country would be evidence to be presented before a court of law. Everyone deserves a fair trial untainted by hysteria.

[NewlyMintedThai]

The guy doesn't look like he's jumped anything since the 1953...

[cbrer]

Can we get some info on what Western police forces in Chiang Mai have got to do with this case, or else stop mentioning it (in order to derail the thread?).

I am aware of US and Australian police departments working in CM, not too sure of British ones but have no reason to believe there isn't one. I have not seen any mention of any of these forces being involved in this case. If someone has, please post it. Thanks.

[Nisa]

@endure

You forgot the part in the process that states " Suspect jumps bail and flees the country "

Jumping bail and fleeing the country would be evidence to be presented before a court of law. Everyone deserves a fair trial untainted by hysteria.

But I do believe it is food for thought, for those who believe the police are framing him, that they have chose not to press any charges against him for jumping bail when it would seem to be a fairly easy case to prove ... unless there is a suggesting he was taken illegally into Burma against his will. Some might also suggest his doing a runner is an indication of guilt but I don't because it does seem plausible an innocent person would be scared and run while in a foreign country even if they usually would run home and not to a much more corrupt country like Burma.

[theblether]

@endure

You forgot the part in the process that states " Suspect jumps bail and flees the country "

Jumping bail and fleeing the country would be evidence to be presented before a court of law. Everyone deserves a fair trial untainted by hysteria.

We'll need to agree to disagree on this one........the guy has a right to a fair and open trial, it is my opinion that he will be convicted. it is also my opinion that jumping bail is an indicator of guilt. If this was a 40 year old guy accused of these crimes, with previous for rape in Thailand, and he had jumped bail, there would be a clamour to condemn him.

This guy is using his age as a cloak, and people are falling for it......there's a touch of the Jimmy Saville's about this story.

[cbrer]

It's totally relevant to the case........cbrer has set himself up as an expert on this thread, and he cast aspersions against the Thai police.....so he can speak for himself, is he aware that there are Western police units active in Chiang Mai, and further is he aware that there are British trained Thai police specialists active in Chiang Mai.

oh right. Yes I am aware of that, and have been for many years. I can only recall one interaction with memberd of the Australian Federal Police at a get together about 7 years ago. It was clear they held the Thai police and Thai 'way' in utter disdain.

That is my only interaction with them. I haven't seen where any Western police dept. have been involved in this case... have you?

Edited October 5, 2012 by cbrer

[theblether]

Can we get some info on what Western police forces in Chiang Mai have got to do with this case, or else stop mentioning it (in order to derail the thread?).

I am aware of US and Australian police departments working in CM, not too sure of British ones but have no reason to believe there isn't one. I have not seen any mention of any of these forces being involved in this case. If someone has, please post it. Thanks.

That's good, you can confirm that there are Australian and US police active in Chiang Mai, I can confirm that there are British police active in Chiang Mai, and I would imagine that the forces you are referring to have a great interest in monitoring and apprehending paedophiles in that area. Yes?

[GentlemanJim]

@endure

You forgot the part in the process that states " Suspect jumps bail and flees the country "

Jumping bail and fleeing the country would be evidence to be presented before a court of law. Everyone deserves a fair trial untainted by hysteria.

We'll need to agree to disagree on this one........the guy has a right to a fair and open trial, it is my opinion that he will be convicted. it is also my opinion that jumping bail is an indicator of guilt. If this was a 40 year old guy accused of these crimes, with previous for rape in Thailand, and he had jumped bail, there would be a clamour to condemn him.

This guy is using his age as a cloak, and people are falling for it......there's a touch of the Jimmy Saville's about this story.

What is his 'previous for rape'? You have denied him the right to a fair and open trial since the start of this thread when you labelled him a scumbag pedo.

[GentlemanJim]

Can we get some info on what Western police forces in Chiang Mai have got to do with this case, or else stop mentioning it (in order to derail the thread?).

I am aware of US and Australian police departments working in CM, not too sure of British ones but have no reason to believe there isn't one. I have not seen any mention of any of these forces being involved in this case. If someone has, please post it. Thanks.

That's good, you can confirm that there are Australian and US police active in Chiang Mai, I can confirm that there are British police active in Chiang Mai, and I would imagine that the forces you are referring to have a great interest in monitoring and apprehending paedophiles in that area. Yes?

What is your point Blether?

[theblether]

It's totally relevant to the case........cbrer has set himself up as an expert on this thread, and he cast aspersions against the Thai police.....so he can speak for himself, is he aware that there are Western police units active in Chiang Mai, and further is he aware that there are British trained Thai police specialists active in Chiang Mai.

oh right. Yes I am aware of that, and have been for many years. I can only recall one interaction with memberd of the Australian Federal Police at a get together about 7 years ago. It was clear they held the Thai police and Thai 'way' in utter disdain.

That is my only interaction with them. I have seen where any Western police dept. have been involved in this case... have you?

No........not this case. You can guarantee the Australian police in Chiang Mai have been though.

[theblether]

@endure

You forgot the part in the process that states " Suspect jumps bail and flees the country "

Jumping bail and fleeing the country would be evidence to be presented before a court of law. Everyone deserves a fair trial untainted by hysteria.

We'll need to agree to disagree on this one........the guy has a right to a fair and open trial, it is my opinion that he will be convicted. it is also my opinion that jumping bail is an indicator of guilt. If this was a 40 year old guy accused of these crimes, with previous for rape in Thailand, and he had jumped bail, there would be a clamour to condemn him.

This guy is using his age as a cloak, and people are falling for it......there's a touch of the Jimmy Saville's about this story.

What is his 'previous for rape'? You have denied him the right to a fair and open trial since the start of this thread when you labelled him a scumbag pedo.

Read the thread GJ, the guy has already stated that he was framed for rape 10 years ago.....exactly the same claim he's making now, that he's been framed. That's a very unfortunate coincidence eh? Framed for sexual crimes twice in Thailand, how unlucky is that.

[tinfoilhat]

Can we get some info on what Western police forces in Chiang Mai have got to do with this case, or else stop mentioning it (in order to derail the thread?).

I am aware of US and Australian police departments working in CM, not too sure of British ones but have no reason to believe there isn't one. I have not seen any mention of any of these forces being involved in this case. If someone has, please post it. Thanks.

That's good, you can confirm that there are Australian and US police active in Chiang Mai, I can confirm that there are British police active in Chiang Mai, and I would imagine that the forces you are referring to have a great interest in monitoring and apprehending paedophiles in that area. Yes?

What is your point Blether?

i suspect he has forgotten in his quest to be right

[GentlemanJim]

It's totally relevant to the case........cbrer has set himself up as an expert on this thread, and he cast aspersions against the Thai police.....so he can speak for himself, is he aware that there are Western police units active in Chiang Mai, and further is he aware that there are British trained Thai police specialists active in Chiang Mai.

oh right. Yes I am aware of that, and have been for many years. I can only recall one interaction with memberd of the Australian Federal Police at a get together about 7 years ago. It was clear they held the Thai police and Thai 'way' in utter disdain.

That is my only interaction with them. I have seen where any Western police dept. have been involved in this case... have you?

No........not this case. You can guarantee the Australian police in Chiang Mai have been though.

Can you?

[GentlemanJim]

Jumping bail and fleeing the country would be evidence to be presented before a court of law. Everyone deserves a fair trial untainted by hysteria.

We'll need to agree to disagree on this one........the guy has a right to a fair and open trial, it is my opinion that he will be convicted. it is also my opinion that jumping bail is an indicator of guilt. If this was a 40 year old guy accused of these crimes, with previous for rape in Thailand, and he had jumped bail, there would be a clamour to condemn him.

This guy is using his age as a cloak, and people are falling for it......there's a touch of the Jimmy Saville's about this story.

What is his 'previous for rape'? You have denied him the right to a fair and open trial since the start of this thread when you labelled him a scumbag pedo.

Read the thread GJ, the guy has already stated that he was framed for rape 10 years ago.....exactly the same claim he's making now, that he's been framed. That's a very unfortunate coincidence eh? Framed for sexual crimes twice in Thailand, how unlucky is that.

Well as he wasn't sent to prison then he was framed wasn't he and he does not have 'previous for rape'. I have read the thread thank you. Why are you saying he has 'previous for rape'? And if you were going to get framed anywhere in the world for sexual crimes so that somebody gets a big financial kick back then this is one of the places its going to happen.

[theblether]

It's totally relevant to the case........cbrer has set himself up as an expert on this thread, and he cast aspersions against the Thai police.....so he can speak for himself, is he aware that there are Western police units active in Chiang Mai, and further is he aware that there are British trained Thai police specialists active in Chiang Mai.

oh right. Yes I am aware of that, and have been for many years. I can only recall one interaction with memberd of the Australian Federal Police at a get together about 7 years ago. It was clear they held the Thai police and Thai 'way' in utter disdain.

That is my only interaction with them. I have seen where any Western police dept. have been involved in this case... have you?

No........not this case. You can guarantee the Australian police in Chiang Mai have been though.

Can you?

If the Thais interact with the Australian police the same way as the British police, you better believe it. So give up the ya boo crap, the Aussies have seen the case against him........are you deafened by the silence?

Oh, and fleeing bail is not normally conducive to enacting fair and open trials.

Just sayin'

[NewlyMintedThai]

Yeah, the guy looks like he'd be a perfect frame-and-extort target. He looks like he has a lot of money.

[theblether]

@GentlemanJim

You're just guessing now

Just like cbrer......he dug up one article that was written totally from the accused's perspective and fell for it, and he's spent the rest of the thread trying to justify it. Seriously, give it up, both of you

Your gonna look so stupid when this trial concludes.

[GentlemanJim]

If the Thais interact with the Australian police the same way as the British police, you better believe it. So give up the ya boo crap, the Aussies have seen the case against him........are you deafened by the silence?

Oh, and fleeing bail is not normally conducive to enacting fair and open trials.

Just sayin'

Well I don't know but you're guaranteeing it !

As regards the deafening silence from the Australian Government. I think you have no idea of what an Embassy or Consulate can do in a foreign country. They are not permitted in any way to interfere or meddle or comment on the law of the country. The ONLY thing they can do is to confirm that the basic welfare of an individual is being addressed whilst they are being incacerated. If someone is facing the death penalty the respective country can make a request on humanitarian grounds that the death penalty is not carried out. That's it. So there will be a deafening silence from Australia and it will remain that way until sentencing is carried out ie, until the man has been found guilty or not guilty - the whole point we have been trying to make in this thread. For the Australians to kick up a rumpus before trial could jeopardize any chance Kraus has of an unbiased trial.

[GentlemanJim]

@GentlemanJim

You're just guessing now

Just like cbrer......he dug up one article that was written totally from the accused's perspective and fell for it, and he's spent the rest of the thread trying to justify it. Seriously, give it up, both of you

Your gonna look so stupid when this trial concludes.

No, I won't look stupid. I have done nothing other than try to convince you to stop your hateful judgmental attacks before a trial has been concluded. I am not the one looking stupid here Blether. If he is guilty, good, jail him, if he is innocent, good let him go free, but you are the armchair expert with your mind made up and worse still voicing it.

What am I guessing at? Are you saying he has done prison time for rape in Thailand?

Edited October 5, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[Nisa]

@GentlemanJim

You're just guessing now

Just like cbrer......he dug up one article that was written totally from the accused's perspective and fell for it, and he's spent the rest of the thread trying to justify it. Seriously, give it up, both of you

Your gonna look so stupid when this trial concludes.

I think you agree that people do deserve a fair trial but there is such a thing as using logic too when it comes to the average Joe (not somebody involved in the trial) expressing opinions and it seems fairly confidently the chances this guy is innocent is very remote and the chance he will be found not guilty is just as remote not just based on the information/evidence reported but also the fact it has progressed this far in the court system. What I find unusual is the folks taking illogical stances to try to show he may be innocent ... I mean come on, the police are lying about having photos of him with naked children because they weren't released to the press or because they didn't have a photo shoot of the arrest of him or the children pointing at him and worse trying to say this is the norm when it fact it is not but they simply don't get that they times the police do it, it sticks out in their mind. Even in the west when they make drug busts they sometimes show pictures of the guns or drugs seized in the press but have never heard anyone suggest the cops are setting somebody up because such photos are not shown. And odder yet is I have a feeling many of the folks going all out to want to suggest it is a frame up are the same posters who will scream guilty when a Thai (especially Thai Women) is accused of a crime against a farang.

I understand people being biased but it really is misplaced when you go out of your way to try to find reasons to say a guy didn't molest kids when there is nothing to suggest a frame up and tons of evidence reported to indicate he did the crime including parents testimony, numerous child victim testimony, maid testimony, photo evidence and likely computer evidence to mention just some of the things we are privy too. Then there is all the evidence to suggest there is not a police setup and none to support there is ... claims of extortion / blackmail? This is usually only done when the other person has something on you but now the guy for his second time has accused the police of extorting money from him over sex crimes he didn't commit? Then the authorities choose not to go after charges of his fleeing while on bail??? Yet these are people out to get him? Then there is the suggestion there are no pictures (I believe there are videos too) as if police are going to go to court and say the lost more than a 100 photos and didn't make copies or scan them into a computer or maybe the police simply Photoshoped the pics of him with naked kids as if the accused and his team and the court are too stupid to check these things but for some reason the folks on ThaiVisa could tell if they would just post some of the pics online for us.

I mean if somebody has a valid point of why they think this guy might be innocent then please share it but all I have heard so far is fairly far fetched.

Does anybody really think he is going to be found not guilty?

Edited October 5, 2012 by Nisa

[GentlemanJim]

@GentlemanJim

You're just guessing now

Just like cbrer......he dug up one article that was written totally from the accused's perspective and fell for it, and he's spent the rest of the thread trying to justify it. Seriously, give it up, both of you

Your gonna look so stupid when this trial concludes.

I think you agree that people do deserve a fair trial but there is such a thing as using logic too when it comes to the average Joe (not somebody involved in the trial) expressing opinions and it seems fairly confidently the chances this guy is innocent is very remote and the chance he will be found not guilty is just as remote not just based on the information/evidence reported but also the fact it has progressed this far in the court system. What I find unusual is the folks taking illogical stances to try to show he may be innocent ... I mean come on, the police are lying about having photos of him with naked children because they weren't released to the press or because they didn't have a photo shoot of the arrest of him or the children pointing at him and worse trying to say this is the norm when it fact it is not but they simply don't get that they times the police do it, it sticks out in their mind. Even in the west when they make drug busts they sometimes show pictures of the guns or drugs seized in the press but have never heard anyone suggest the cops are setting somebody up because such photos are not shown. And odder yet is I have a feeling many of the folks going all out to want to suggest it is a frame up are the same posters who will scream guilty when a Thai (especially Thai Women) is accused of a crime against a farang.

I understand people being biased but it really is misplaced when you go out of your way to try to find reasons to say a guy didn't molest kids when there is nothing to suggest a frame up and tons of evidence reported to indicate he did the crime including parents testimony, numerous child victim testimony, maid testimony, photo evidence and likely computer evidence to mention just some of the things we are privy too. Then there is all the evidence to suggest there is not a police setup and none to support there is ... claims of extortion / blackmail? This is usually only done when the other person has something on you but now the guy for his second time has accused the police of extorting money from him over sex crimes he didn't commit? Then the authorities choose not to go after charges of his fleeing while on bail??? Yet these are people out to get him? Then there is the suggestion there are no pictures (I believe there are videos too) as if police are going to go to court and say the lost more than a 100 photos and didn't make copies or scan them into a computer or maybe the police simply Photoshoped the pics of him with naked kids as if the accused and his team and the court are too stupid to check these things but for some reason the folks on ThaiVisa could tell if they would just post some of the pics online for us.

I mean if somebody has a valid point of why they think this guy might be innocent then please share it but all I have heard so far is fairly far fetched.

Does anybody really think he is going to be found not guilty?

The only valid point I have been trying to make with you...because he has not been found guilty in a court of law yet and that is not far fetched, it is fact. I have not made one of the other 'excuses' for him you have mentioned. The ONLY evidence you are going on is one media article, all the rest were written from that. Don't you think that a bit risky considering the standard of Thai journalism?

[theblether]

@GentlemanJim

You're just guessing now

Just like cbrer......he dug up one article that was written totally from the accused's perspective and fell for it, and he's spent the rest of the thread trying to justify it. Seriously, give it up, both of you

Your gonna look so stupid when this trial concludes.

No, I won't look stupid. I have done nothing other than try to convince you to stop your hateful judgmental attacks before a trial has been concluded. I am not the one looking stupid here Blether. If he is guilty, good, jail him, if he is innocent, good let him go free, but you are the armchair expert with your mind made up and worse still voicing it.

What am I guessing at? Are you saying he has done prison time for rape in Thailand?

I note your clever edit........

No he didn't do time for rape.......guess what? ( and your good at guessing ), he bought his way out of it. How about that then?......he gave the victim a few quid and walked away without doing jail time. By his own admission eh?........of course being the type that he is he had to say " It was a stitch up Guv ".

Now I ask you......if you had been stitched up on a false rape allegation and extorted.......what would you have done?

By the way....it wasn't Thai journalism......your doing that anti-Thai thing again. I do wonder how you guys can sleep at night in a country that you obviously distrust so much.

[Nisa]

@GentlemanJim

You're just guessing now

Just like cbrer......he dug up one article that was written totally from the accused's perspective and fell for it, and he's spent the rest of the thread trying to justify it. Seriously, give it up, both of you

Your gonna look so stupid when this trial concludes.

I think you agree that people do deserve a fair trial but there is such a thing as using logic too when it comes to the average Joe (not somebody involved in the trial) expressing opinions and it seems fairly confidently the chances this guy is innocent is very remote and the chance he will be found not guilty is just as remote not just based on the information/evidence reported but also the fact it has progressed this far in the court system. What I find unusual is the folks taking illogical stances to try to show he may be innocent ... I mean come on, the police are lying about having photos of him with naked children because they weren't released to the press or because they didn't have a photo shoot of the arrest of him or the children pointing at him and worse trying to say this is the norm when it fact it is not but they simply don't get that they times the police do it, it sticks out in their mind. Even in the west when they make drug busts they sometimes show pictures of the guns or drugs seized in the press but have never heard anyone suggest the cops are setting somebody up because such photos are not shown. And odder yet is I have a feeling many of the folks going all out to want to suggest it is a frame up are the same posters who will scream guilty when a Thai (especially Thai Women) is accused of a crime against a farang.

I understand people being biased but it really is misplaced when you go out of your way to try to find reasons to say a guy didn't molest kids when there is nothing to suggest a frame up and tons of evidence reported to indicate he did the crime including parents testimony, numerous child victim testimony, maid testimony, photo evidence and likely computer evidence to mention just some of the things we are privy too. Then there is all the evidence to suggest there is not a police setup and none to support there is ... claims of extortion / blackmail? This is usually only done when the other person has something on you but now the guy for his second time has accused the police of extorting money from him over sex crimes he didn't commit? Then the authorities choose not to go after charges of his fleeing while on bail??? Yet these are people out to get him? Then there is the suggestion there are no pictures (I believe there are videos too) as if police are going to go to court and say the lost more than a 100 photos and didn't make copies or scan them into a computer or maybe the police simply Photoshoped the pics of him with naked kids as if the accused and his team and the court are too stupid to check these things but for some reason the folks on ThaiVisa could tell if they would just post some of the pics online for us.

I mean if somebody has a valid point of why they think this guy might be innocent then please share it but all I have heard so far is fairly far fetched.

Does anybody really think he is going to be found not guilty?

The only valid point I have been trying to make with you...because he has not been found guilty in a court of law yet and that is not far fetched, it is fact. I have not made one of the other 'excuses' for him you have mentioned. The ONLY evidence you are going on is one media article, all the rest were written from that. Don't you think that a bit risky considering the standard of Thai journalism?

Well first, if the post doesn't apply to you then don't worry about. Second, has anybody here stated he HAS been found guilty in a court of law? Third, we are not in a court of law and Innocent Until Proven Guilty is a law for the courtroom and juries (which there are none here) and it doesn't apply to people expressing their opinions when not legally judging the guy.

As for Thai Journalism, they get things wrong as does the press around the world and worse we are often dealing with translation issues but there is nothing to suggest the media here conspires to purposely lie and that is what it would take for the same facts to be repeated wrong by not only all the Thai Media but the International / foreign media that have picked up on this case and have also been covering it for a long time. Being a foreigner too means that he has somebody at the Embassy who has also looked at the case.

A couple questions since I answered yours ...

Do you think the police are lying about and/or have faked the photographs being reported or that all the reports of these photos (and I believe videos) are false?

If your answer is no and you believe there are photos of the the child accusers naked and photos of him posing with nude children, then what do you think the chances are that this guy didn't do what the children claim?

Trust me when I tell you that by having an opinion it isn't going against the right to a fair trial or that the accused is innocent unless proven guilty.