Supreme Court Issues Arrest Warrant Against Thaksin

[Soutpeel]

I wonder what it takes to arrest a political criminal, but NO!!!! The coup makers just LET HIM ESCAPE!!!!!

and possibly a smart move on their part, he is out of the country cant come back...causes less problems, hence the reason they never requested interpol to arrest him either... to me it was a clever move

Not clever or smart in my opinion...I'd call it cowardly.

and doing a runner on 2 year jail sentance isnt cowardly ?..its not like he would have served his full sentance if he had even stayed in Thailand

[TheKrayTriplet]

I hope this thread runs and runs - it's the funniest I've seen for ages. Daily Mail readers on steroids.

You're not defaming Daily Mail readers here, are you

BTW what's so funny about the Supreme Court issuing an Arrest Warrant against a fugitive criminal ?

It is impossible to defame a Daily Mail reader, by definition. I do not find the arrest warrant being issued by the Supreme Court funny. Perish the thought that I should speak bad of the courts on the TV Forum - they even have rules against it, I understand.

But the comments, Priceless!

btw I think even the nation has dropped the

fugitive criminal

from its repetoire, you need to get with the times e.g

"The Supreme Court Thursday issued an arrest warrant against

former prime minister

Thaksin Shinawatra for failing to turn up to hear the court's decision to proceed with the Krung Thai Bank loan scandal case".

(from OP)

Even the Justice Minister doesn't regard the sentence Thaksin

has

received as serious:

"As far as I know, Thaksin was sentenced to two years in jail - and that was not a severe punishment," he said."

http://www.thaivisa....n/#entry5739652

[TheKrayTriplet]

If I understand it right Thaksin "advised" KTB to grant 10 billion in loans to companies related to him even though he knew the companies would never to pay back the money.

Companies go bust and money is gone...

(Anybody please correct me if I am wrong (convince me)).

Isn't the idea of debate that the person who puts the case forward backs it up with links, evidence, that kind of "trivial" stuff, and tries to convince others that he is right? Or does the Forum and certain of its members have a different take on that basic rule?

[rixalex]

btw I think even the nation has dropped the

fugitive criminal

from its repetoire, you need to get with the times e.g

Once again, The Nation swings from being a propaganda mouthpiece full of rubbish, to a source worthy of quoting when it appears to back up a deluded argument of yours - in this case, the deluded argument that in fact Thaksin is not a fugitive criminal, despite having a criminal conviction and having fled that conviction.... all of which sums up the dictionary definition of "fugitive criminal" about as succinctly as it is possible.

Edited October 12, 2012 by rixalex

[Pi Sek]

So you don't think he is guilty of failing to show up in court, which is why this particular arrest-warrant has been issued, a simple Yes/No will do, no need to fulminate about events several years/governments ago, in an attempt to drag the thread off-course !

No. If he was still, rightfully the PM he would have been there. Unfortunately he has been illegally deposed and maliciously vilified and persecuted by several groups of selfish, self-serving individuals.

Interesting that you think that, as he was deposed from his position as PM, he is not guilty of failing to show up at court. The two are completely unrelated.

It certainly would not be "rightful" if he were still PM just as it would not be "rightful" if he had not been deposed. Unfortunately it had to be done illegally as the correct legal measures (e.g. a general election boycott) were ignored by Thaksin, who instead decided he should be caretaker PM until... well, he never got to that part. Democratic? Pfff.

As for the selfish and self-serving... well, you might have a point but I really don't think you can discount Thaksin from that category (and you can certainly put Thaksin into the "maliciously vilifying and persecuting" group).

I get your point about demonising Thaksin... but if the shoe fits...? Are you one of those that believes the progress made under the TRT government is enough to absolve them of the criminal political activity that happened on their watch?

[rixalex]

Even the Justice Minister doesn't regard the sentence Thaksin

has

received as serious:

"As far as I know, Thaksin was sentenced to two years in jail - and that was not a severe punishment," he said."

http://www.thaivisa....n/#entry5739652

Either he has a sentence or he doesn't. Clearly he does. Justice Minister confirms that.

And whether or not you (or the Justice Minister) consider it severe, i guess depends on what you are comparing it to. If you are a serial murderer locked away for life, i'm sure two years sounds quite trifling. If on the other hand, you are a law abiding citizen who has never had any problem with the law, two days behind bars might seem extremely serious, let alone two years.

[Nickymaster]

If I understand it right Thaksin "advised" KTB to grant 10 billion in loans to companies related to him even though he knew the companies would never to pay back the money.

Companies go bust and money is gone...

(Anybody please correct me if I am wrong (convince me)).

Isn't the idea of debate that the person who puts the case forward backs it up with links, evidence, that kind of "trivial" stuff, and tries to convince others that he is right? Or does the Forum and certain of its members have a different take on that basic rule?

Dear PPD,

If you would have been living here you would know. I have been here for 35 years non-stop. I have seen and read enough about this case when it was in the "news".

Please do some research so you know what I am talking about.

John

Edited October 12, 2012 by Nickymaster

[Arkady]

This case is politically motivated just like the Ratchadapisek land case. How else else could routing a massive loan from a state owned bank through my son's account on its way to disappearing into thin air be regarded as criminal?

Edited October 12, 2012 by Arkady

[Arkady]

If I understand it right Thaksin "advised" KTB to grant 10 billion in loans to companies related to him even though he knew the companies would never to pay back the money.

Companies go bust and money is gone...

(Anybody please correct me if I am wrong (convince me)).

Isn't the idea of debate that the person who puts the case forward backs it up with links, evidence, that kind of "trivial" stuff, and tries to convince others that he is right? Or does the Forum and certain of its members have a different take on that basic rule?

Dear PPD,

If you would have been living here you would know. I have been here for 35 years non-stop. I have seen and read enough about this case when it was in the "news".

Please do some research so you know what I am talking about.

John

I am not sure that the companies were directly related to him but damning evidence is that some of the money went through his son's account. Strangely there has been nothing filed against the son.

Yes, getting state owned banks to make loans on overvalued collateral to flimsy companies that then go bankrupt has been a regarded as a perk of Thai politicians ever since I can remember. The most notorious case was Bangkok Bank of Commerce which went bust as a privately owned bank and was bailed out by the taxpayer. Then it was systematically looted by the politicians of the day until it went bust again for good in the late 90s and was the precursor to the Tom Yam kung crisis. Nothing has ever been done about the politicians who stole from it due to the fact that they are...well...politicians.

[saltandpepper]

Warrant issued, but will they actually try to arrest him now?

No

Well they ought to. Otherwise what's the point of an arrest warrant.

People who issue the arrest warrants are not those who are supposed to actually do the arrest.

[Sing_Sling]

Why are they wasting their time? They should know by now that Thaksin is above the law.

Eh? The 'Law' just issued hia arrest warrant

[Keesters]

I wonder what it takes to arrest a political criminal, but NO!!!! The coup makers just LET HIM ESCAPE!!!!!

and possibly a smart move on their part, he is out of the country cant come back...causes less problems, hence the reason they never requested interpol to arrest him either... to me it was a clever move

Not clever or smart in my opinion...I'd call it cowardly.

and doing a runner on 2 year jail sentance isnt cowardly ?..its not like he would have served his full sentance if he had even stayed in Thailand

Of course doing the runner is cowardly, I never said it wasn't. And full sentence should be served.

[Buchholz]

btw I think even the nation has dropped the

fugitive criminal

from its repetoire, you need to get with the times e.g

Once again, The Nation swings from being a propaganda mouthpiece full of rubbish, to a source worthy of quoting when it appears to back up a deluded argument of yours - in this case, the deluded argument that in fact Thaksin is not a fugitive criminal, despite having a criminal conviction and having fled that conviction.... all of which sums up the dictionary definition of "fugitive criminal" about as succinctly as it is possible.

We've been down this tired road before...

The above is factually accurate in calling him former prime minister. The OP is inaccurate in calling him fugitive prime minister. Posts saying he is on the run, running from the law, a fugitive, and other such nonsense are spin meisters in service of an agenda.

and

I'm sick the media referring to Taskin Shinawatra as the "fugitive former premier". Surely a more accurate description would be "deposed prime minister Taskin Shinawatra".

[Buchholz]

.

and

There is the 'fugitive' thing again. The Opposition seems to think that repetition best serves their agenda. Who am I to argue.

Use of this term is agenda, pure and simple.

which resulted in...

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

Perhaps you two could start a letter-writing campaign to Reuters, TIME magazine, AFP, BBC, New York Times etc.

make that four now...

arrowsdawdle

Morgo

CalgaryII

TheKrayTriplet

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Edited October 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[Nickymaster]

Can't the guy just pay his way out of all his problems like any good citizen of Thailand would?

He is trying very hard put there are still a few obstacles.

[Tatsujin]

Why the arguments now about whether he is a "fugitive" or not . . . ?

He has multiple arrest warrants out on him now, already been sentenced in one case, he refuses to comply with all requests to stand trial etc and is now "on the run", therefore he is a "fugitive" from the law. Simple.

Anyone who says or thinks different is just a complete idiot.

Edited October 12, 2012 by Tatsujin

[OzMick]

Why the arguments now about whether he is a "fugitive" or not . . . ?

He has multiple arrest warrants out on him now, already been sentenced in one case, he refuses to comply with all requests to stand trial etc and is now "on the run", therefore he is a "fugitive" from the law. Simple.

Anyone who says or thinks different is just a complete idiot.

Complete idiots? Not necessarily - parts of them may be missing.

[Nickymaster]

Can't the guy just pay his way out of all his problems like any good citizen of Thailand would?

He is trying very hard put there are still a few obstacles.

He is trying very hard but there are still a few obstacles.

[Tatsujin]

He is trying very hard but there are still a few obstacles.

Those obstacles being other equally rich and powerful families/individuals who are holding a grudge against him due to his very fair and honest business practices and the laws enacted whilst he was in power.

[kevvy]

he is in drag , the prime minster is him

[kevvy]

I thought id you had a criminal record you couldn't get into America!!! Money talks

[whybother]

Those obstacles being other equally rich and powerful families/individuals who are holding a grudge against him due to his very fair and honest business practices and the laws enacted whilst he was in power.

[marshbags]

I wonder what it takes to arrest a political criminal, but NO!!!! The coup makers just LET HIM ESCAPE!!!!!

and possibly a smart move on their part, he is out of the country cant come back...causes less problems, hence the reason they never requested interpol to arrest him either... to me it was a clever move

Plus the fact that if he had considered ) had any legal substance d his chances of overturning the verdict ( which was based purely on Thai law and evidencehe would have stayed on to do so.

Obviously his devious mouthpiece on manipulating matters of law in his favour knew this and advised him to go while he had the chance.

Also of course as mentioned earlier there was the matter of several other charges to follow and take into account, of which his chances of getting a not guilty verdict, based once again on Thai law and evidence were slim to zero.

marshbags

A polite correction of a gremlin effected first sentence along with my apologies for any confusion.

I,ve only just noticed while scrolling back on the comments most of which are making this a another very good debate,

It should have read :-

Plus the fact that if he had considered he had any legal substance and his chances of overturning the verdict ( which was based purely on Thai law and evidence ) he would have stayed on to do so.

Thank you

marshbags

Edited October 12, 2012 by marshbags

[Semper]

Why the arguments now about whether he is a "fugitive" or not . . . ?

He has multiple arrest warrants out on him now, already been sentenced in one case, he refuses to comply with all requests to stand trial etc and is now "on the run", therefore he is a "fugitive" from the law. Simple.

Anyone who says or thinks different is just a complete idiot.

Correct, let's round up a posse.

[Dap]

If Thaksin did not want this warrant issued, it would not have been issued. He knew about it long before the court made the ruling and allowed it to happen. He has full control from top to bottum is this Kingdom. There is some reason he allowed it that will ultimately benefit him, be assured of that.

He ain't god ... yet

[khunken]

If Thaksin did not want this warrant issued, it would not have been issued. He knew about it long before the court made the ruling and allowed it to happen. He has full control from top to bottum is this Kingdom. There is some reason he allowed it that will ultimately benefit him, be assured of that.

He ain't god ... yet

Unfortunately there are a few posters here who seem to think he is.

[Soutpeel]

If Thaksin did not want this warrant issued, it would not have been issued. He knew about it long before the court made the ruling and allowed it to happen. He has full control from top to bottum is this Kingdom. There is some reason he allowed it that will ultimately benefit him, be assured of that.

He ain't god ... yet

Unfortunately there are a few posters here who seem to think he is.

There are a few poster on here who would have his baby if they were physically able to get pregnant..

[Noistar]

But but but, this was politically motivated! Sondhi is still free! Thaksin is a great man who can do no wrong! Abhisit went to a rich mans school!

Well 2 out of 4 are right anyway. I'm suprised you think that all 4 are correct.

Isn't the issue that people of whatever political persuasion, actually have 'their day in court'.

The sentences which are issued are 'unusual' across the whole political spectrum.

If this man has the guts to stand trial, perhaps comparisons with anyone residing in Thailand are valid.

Until then, he is a coward who's name shouldn't sully those prepared to stand by their convictions.

Strange for a red to have such a blatant yellow streak

[rubl]

I hope this thread runs and runs - it's the funniest I've seen for ages. Daily Mail readers on steroids.

You're not defaming Daily Mail readers here, are you

BTW what's so funny about the Supreme Court issuing an Arrest Warrant against a fugitive criminal ?

It is impossible to defame a Daily Mail reader, by definition. I do not find the arrest warrant being issued by the Supreme Court funny. Perish the thought that I should speak bad of the courts on the TV Forum - they even have rules against it, I understand.

But the comments, Priceless!

btw I think even the nation has dropped the

fugitive criminal

from its repetoire, you need to get with the times e.g

"The Supreme Court Thursday issued an arrest warrant against

former prime minister

Thaksin Shinawatra for failing to turn up to hear the court's decision to proceed with the Krung Thai Bank loan scandal case".

(from OP)

Even the Justice Minister doesn't regard the sentence Thaksin

has

received as serious:

"As far as I know, Thaksin was sentenced to two years in jail - and that was not a severe punishment," he said."

http://www.thaivisa....n/#entry5739652

"When reminded by a reporter that Thaksin was a fugitive, Thawee said Jatuporn and Natthawut did not specify in their requests that they would meet Thaksin. "As far as I know, Thaksin was sentenced to two years in jail - and that was not a severe punishment," he said."

That k. Thawee is

not

the Minister of Justice, but Court Chief Justice, full name Thawee Prachuaplap. As for 'not a severe punishment' the CCJ might have meant that is should have been more

BTW it's self-exiled former PM some have it

[ginjag]

If Thaksin did not want this warrant issued, it would not have been issued. He knew about it long before the court made the ruling and allowed it to happen. He has full control from top to bottum is this Kingdom. There is some reason he allowed it that will ultimately benefit him, be assured of that.

He ain't god ... yet

Unfortunately there are a few posters here who seem to think he is.

That is only a FEW. these few offer only -lame dog sick pig excuses for him. locals benefit -from thinking he is god.