GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Thai exports are not in a closed and protected market. I don't know where you get that. I also don't know where import duties come into play when the Thais import raw materials. Import Duties on Cars - From the Thai Customs Department can be found here [http://www2.customs....me=PersonalPer] As you can see the total import taxes start at 187% and goes up to 328%. Read my post again GH. I did not mention import duties on cars. And on a matter of your recorded comments....... see above. Import duties are low on raw materials high on finished cars - closing access to external manufactures selling in Thailand and protecting Thailand based assemblers - Get it yet? Edited October 15, 2012 by GuestHouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 CMK do you know how BoI approval works with respect to importing raw materials for BoI approved businesses? Do you know anything about that or do you need time to read up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 <deleted> is ur point CMK? Thailand makes a lot of cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletchsmile Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 ... It is only a matter of time before superior Thai engineering and production techniques and worker quality boost Thailand to a place permanently above the UK... I think you mean cheap labour. Thailand's threat isn't the UK, and the UK isn't really its competitor. It's other cheap cost producers, eg Indonesia, Vietnam, India etc. This year it will lose its No.1 rice exporter position to Vietnam. More industries to follow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) almost every F1 car Engines: Ferrari 3 teams Renault 4 teams Mercedes 3 teams Cosworth 2 teams And the chassis and design teams and all the parts suppliers all the consultancy companies ? And the Mercedes engines: formerly known as Ilmor. http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mercedes-f1-engines-brixworth-2012-07-06 Edited October 15, 2012 by arthurwait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Read my post again GH. I did not mention import duties on cars. Import duties are the means of protecting the Thai Auto Assemblers and restricting access to the market - Doh ! Good for you. I didn't mention it because it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Read my post again GH. I did not mention import duties on cars. Import duties are the means of protecting the Thai Auto Assemblers and restricting access to the market - Doh ! Good for you. I didn't mention it because it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Yes it is, because without import controls and import duties Thailand would not be able to compete in the open car market. Another uncomfortable fact you deny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Thai exports are not in a closed and protected market. I don't know where you get that. I also don't know where import duties come into play when the Thais import raw materials. Import Duties on Cars - From the Thai Customs Department can be found here [http://www2.customs....me=PersonalPer] As you can see the total import taxes start at 187% and goes up to 328%. Read my post again GH. I did not mention import duties on cars. And on a matter of your recorded comments....... see above. Import duties are low on raw materials high on finished cars - closing access to external manufactures selling in Thailand and protecting Thailand based assemblers - Get it yet? No. It has nothing to do with the number of cars produced in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Read my post again GH. I did not mention import duties on cars. Import duties are the means of protecting the Thai Auto Assemblers and restricting access to the market - Doh ! Good for you. I didn't mention it because it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Yes it is, because without import controls and import duties Thailand would not be able to compete in the open car market. Another uncomfortable fact you deny. Thailand competes in an open market. Thailand can not impose controls on other countries. Thailand exports cars to many markets. Thailand has no control of those markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 almost every F1 car Engines: Ferrari 3 teams Renault 4 teams Mercedes 3 teams Cosworth 2 teams And the chassis and design teams and all the parts suppliers all the consultancy companies ? What does that have to do with car production in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Thailand competes in an open market. Thailand can not impose controls on other countries. Thailand exports cars to many markets. Thailand has no control of those markets. It does so from behind a closed and protected Thailand market - Hence the reason why the range of cars available in the Thai market is so poor and why what cars there are cost so much more than elsewhere in the world. Do you really believe Volkswagon are not selling large numbers of cars here in Thailand because Thai people don't like Volkswagon's products. Those willing to pay the extremely high prices resulting from import controls and import duties seem to like VWs - but sadly out of the price range of most. Edited October 15, 2012 by GuestHouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Thailand competes in an open market. Thailand can not impose controls on other countries. Thailand exports cars to many markets. Thailand has no control of those markets. It does so from behind a closed and protected Thailand market - Hence the reason why the range of cars available in the Thai market is so poor and why what cars there are cost so much more than elsewhere in the world. Do you really believe Volkswagon are not selling large numbers of cars here in Thailand because Thai people don't like Volkswagon's products. Those willing to pay the extremely high prices resulting from import controls and import duties seem to like VWs - but sadly out of the price range of most. Export market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't know the details of the export of Thai vehicles. I imagine that most of the exported vehicles are Japanese pick-ups going to other ASEAN countries, since it is renowned as a centre for manufacture of Japanese pickups. I imagine other vehicles get exported as counter-trade, to get lower import tariffs to bring other vehicles into the country. So the import barriers do help the export as well. Similarly the UK marketed itself as a destination for Japanese (and perhaps American*) car manufacturers to set up to localise production for the EU. Comparatively relaxed employment legislation, business-friendly local government, good infrastructure and a sophisticated and committed workforce, in comparison to our more efficient but workshy neighbours, if the blurb from the British equivalent of the BOI is to be believed. SC *Of course, the American manufacturers had long been established in Europe, in various countries, dating back to times when there were more diverse hurdles to free trade at a more parochial level, and even before that to the days when logistics were less efficient and the cost of shipping cars was significant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Export market? Subsidised by a protected Thailand market. Huge profits on cars assembled in Thailand and sold in the protected Thailand cover all the base production costs - export is a bonus. Having demonstrated you know nothing about engineering and production technology, please don't make a fool of yourself on economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 almost every F1 car Engines: Ferrari 3 teams Renault 4 teams Mercedes 3 teams Cosworth 2 teams And the chassis and design teams and all the parts suppliers all the consultancy companies ? What does that have to do with car production in Thailand? As you said, it is the techonological excellence of the Thais that underlies their massive growth in car manufacturing, and their worldwide success. Countries like the UK, which cannot match their engineering and technical expertise, are bound to fall by the wayside, and become nothing more than assemblers of rikshaws and tuk-tuks. SC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Export market? Subsidised by a protected Thailand market. Huge profits on cars assembled in Thailand and sold in the protected Thailand cover all the base production costs - export is a bonus. Having demonstrated you know nothing about engineering and production technology, please don't make a fool of yourself on economics. Exports in July hit a record high of 94,838 units, an increase of 25 percent year-on-year with export values of Bt46 billion, an increase of 37 percent year-on-year. Auto exports in the first seven months of this year were recorded at 551,707 units, up 15.73 percent year-on-year with an export value of Bt263 billion, up 25.32 percent year-on-year. Thailand exports can not and are not protected. Wake up and smell the roses. Even you can add. What percent of the auto market is export? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Engines: Ferrari 3 teams Renault 4 teams Mercedes 3 teams Cosworth 2 teams And the chassis and design teams and all the parts suppliers all the consultancy companies ? What does that have to do with car production in Thailand? As you said, it is the techonological excellence of the Thais that underlies their massive growth in car manufacturing, and their worldwide success. Countries like the UK, which cannot match their engineering and technical expertise, are bound to fall by the wayside, and become nothing more than assemblers of rikshaws and tuk-tuks. SC Try numbers for the past 40 years instead of humor. Not as funny but better information. Thailand’s auto production this year is expected to exceed the target of 2.2 million units to 2.3 million units. Edited October 15, 2012 by chiangmaikelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Exports in July hit a record high of 94,838 units, an increase of 25 percent year-on-year with export values of Bt46 billion, an increase of 37 percent year-on-year. Auto exports in the first seven months of this year were recorded at 551,707 units, up 15.73 percent year-on-year with an export value of Bt263 billion, up 25.32 percent year-on-year. Thailand exports can not and are not protected. Wake up and smell the roses. Even you can add. What percent of the auto market is export? OK so you don't understand economics either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Exports in July hit a record high of 94,838 units, an increase of 25 percent year-on-year with export values of Bt46 billion, an increase of 37 percent year-on-year. Auto exports in the first seven months of this year were recorded at 551,707 units, up 15.73 percent year-on-year with an export value of Bt263 billion, up 25.32 percent year-on-year. Thailand exports can not and are not protected. Wake up and smell the roses. Even you can add. What percent of the auto market is export? OK so you don't understand economics either. What percent of the auto market is export 2nd time? You called it a bonus! What percent would a rational person think it will be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 What percent of the auto market is export 2nd time? You called it a bonus! What percent would a rational person think it will be next year? It doesn't matter what percentage - a large and growing protected home market making huge profits - Export is subsidised by the base costs being covered - But I'm getting into economics again.... you'll struggle if its not in a BoI news letter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 While we are on unanswered questions.. Right up there in your opening post you claimed Superior Thai Engineering and Production Technology - you still have not given us any examples of these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 What percent of the auto market is export 2nd time? You called it a bonus! What percent would a rational person think it will be next year? It doesn't matter what percentage - a large and growing protected home market making huge profits - Export is subsidised by the base costs being covered - But I'm getting into economics again.... you'll struggle if its not in a BoI news letter. Sticks and stones you know. Of course you are wrong. If the export market is a large percent your argument is false if it is a small percent your argument might hold water. If you don't know you are not informed about the Thai auto business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 If the export market is a large percent your argument is false if it is a small percent your argument might hold water. If you don't know you are not informed about the Thai auto business. Of late I've been taking all Thai Government statistics on exports with a large pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 While we are on unanswered questions.. Right up there in your opening post you claimed Superior Thai Engineering and Production Technology - you still have not given us any examples of these things. Post #155 for the fifth time and if you don't like the answer up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) If the export market is a large percent your argument is false if it is a small percent your argument might hold water. If you don't know you are not informed about the Thai auto business. Of late I've been taking all Thai Government statistics on exports with a large pinch of salt. So If the statistics prove you wrong the statistics must be wrong. Are there people who fall for your stuff here? Nite nite. Edited October 15, 2012 by chiangmaikelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 While we are on unanswered questions.. Right up there in your opening post you claimed Superior Thai Engineering and Production Technology - you still have not given us any examples of these things. Post #155 for the fifth time and if you don't like the answer up to you. I've read 155 several times - no mention at all of any Thai Engineering or Thai Production Technology - Lots of mention of Thais Assembling cars to imported Engineering using Imported Production Technology. NO Thai Engineering or Thai Production Technology at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 So If the statistics prove you wrong the statistics must be wrong. Are there people who fall for your stuff here? Nite nite. No if the statistics are subject to 'White Lies' they should be ignored on both sides of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 While we are on unanswered questions.. Right up there in your opening post you claimed Superior Thai Engineering and Production Technology - you still have not given us any examples of these things. Post #155 for the fifth time and if you don't like the answer up to you. I still couldn't see any examples of technology or engineering in that post. You pointed out that there had been massive inward investment and that very many people work in those plants producing lots of cars. As mentioned, inward investment, Thai labour. SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draftvader Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 almost every F1 car Engines: Ferrari 3 teams Renault 4 teams Mercedes 3 teams Cosworth 2 teams Yes, please find out where they are tuned and fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draftvader Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 almost every F1 car Engines: Ferrari 3 teams Renault 4 teams Mercedes 3 teams Cosworth 2 teams Yes, please find out where they are tuned and fitted. To save you the grief. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_Teams_Association#Teams That would be "almost" every F1 car 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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