Britain, Scotland Sign Deal For Independence Referendum

[jpinx]

Who knows what the rules are for getting onto the electoral roll? What's the "residency"· requirement, and what proof of what do you need to show in your own name? Will a POBox number do?

[phuketjock]

Does Sean Connery get to vote ?

He shouldn't do,or the rest of the expat/tax avoiders!

So should expat tax payers be allowed to vote then MAJIC??

[smokie36]

Does Sean Connery get to vote ?

No.

What about Mel Gibson,after all the Historical lies he told for the Scots?

It was just a film. I've never seen it in fact.

[nontabury]

..........

P.S the origins of the Haggis,some experts say that it originated in Lancashire others believe China.

Bagpipes are arguably Pakistani and kilts Greek. Gaelic is a celtic language coming from the same roots as modern sanskrit. Whiskey was first distilled in Ireland. The list is endless, but Queen Victoria's era seemed to put all that right

The UK TV show QI had a bit of a go about Scottish heritage myths, see below:

" What’s interesting about Scotland, kilts, bagpipes, haggis, porridge, whisky and tartan?

None of them are Scottish.

Scotland is named after the Scoti, a Celtic tribe from Ireland, who arrived in what the Romans called Caledonia in the fifth or sixth century AD. By the 11th century they dominated the whole of mainland Scotland. ‘Scots Gaelic’ is actually a dialect of Irish.

Kilts were invented by the Irish but word ‘kilt’ is Danish (kilte op, ‘tuck up’ )

The bagpipes are ancient and were probably invented in Central Asia. They are mentioned in the Old Testament (Daniel 3: 5, 10,15) and in Greek poetry of the 4th century BC. The Romans probably brought them to Britain but the earliest Pictish carvings date from the 8th century AD.

Haggis was an Ancient Greek sausage (Aristophanes mentions one exploding in The Clouds in 423BC).

Oat porridge has been found in the stomachs of 5,000 year old Neolithic bog bodies in central Europe and Scandinavia.

Whisky was invented in ancient China. It arrived in Ireland before Scotland, first distilled by monks. The word derives from the Irish uisge beatha, from the Latin aqua vitae or ‘water of life’.

The elaborate system of clan tartans is a complete myth stemming from the early nineteenth century. All Highland dress, including what tartan or plaid there was, was banned after the 1745 rebellion. The English garrison regiments started designing their own tartans as an affectation, and to mark the state visit of King George IV to Edinburgh in 1822. Queen Victoria encouraged the trend, and it soon became a Victorian craze. "

All a little unfair as almost all nations have their heritage tales that are largely based on myth, half-truths and blatant lies.

Excellent book about history as taught in US schools entitled "Lies my Teacher told me", and the follow up "Lies Across America" about the misleading signs, plaques and memorials telling a somewhat erroneous version of their respective stories. See below:

http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/0684818868

http://www.amazon.co... across america

So when will Caledonia seek its independence from the Irish Scots??

Here's one invention that the Scots can be very proud of

In 1245, it was the Scots who invented the condom,using a goat' lower intestine.

In 1598, the English somewhat refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

[jocko]

If Scotland votes for it Cornwall will be next where will it all end, Depression setting in. All countries can have a gripe, Just look at European history we are all mongrels look at the English language . Oh dear pass the Valium .

PS Davy Crocket had Scottish blood as did the great Johnny Cash just to mention a hundred ---------------------------------------------------------

Oi !! Johnny Cash's family came from Ireland

I know many famous people come from Ireland but Johnny Cash ai'nt one of them.

Google Johnny Cash Scottish roots

[nontabury]

If Scotland votes for it Cornwall will be next where will it all end, Depression setting in. All countries can have a gripe, Just look at European history we are all mongrels look at the English language . Oh dear pass the Valium .

PS Davy Crocket had Scottish blood as did the great Johnny Cash just to mention a hundred ---------------------------------------------------------

Oi !! Johnny Cash's family came from Ireland

I know many famous people come from Ireland but Johnny Cash ai'nt one of them.

Google Johnny Cash Scottish roots

Does it matter

[MAJIC]

Does Sean Connery get to vote ?

He shouldn't do,or the rest of the expat/tax avoiders!

So should expat tax payers be allowed to vote then MAJIC??

Why not?

[jocko]

If Scotland votes for it Cornwall will be next where will it all end, Depression setting in. All countries can have a gripe, Just look at European history we are all mongrels look at the English language . Oh dear pass the Valium .

PS Davy Crocket had Scottish blood as did the great Johnny Cash just to mention a hundred ---------------------------------------------------------

Oi !! Johnny Cash's family came from Ireland

I know many famous people come from Ireland but Johnny Cash ai'nt one of them.

Google Johnny Cash Scottish roots

Does it matter

It's a lighthearted comment it doesn't matter.

[tmd5855]

Not only the Scottish should be able to vote on this referendum. It is splitting up the United Kingdom therefore all parts of the Kingdom should be involved; English, Welsh and Northern Irish as well as Scottish.

Scottish and English goverments agreed to a union of equals. That is why both countries kept their own law, financial, education systems etc.

As equal partners, either party could decide to seperate, bit like a marriage, say you wanted a divorce, but, you then find out you could not have one since it was up to your wife to say yes, you can have a divorce??

You would say that was pretty unfair, would you not.

Wales was a Principality of the English crown so legally is not entitled to a vote.

NI is a politically created state more than 200 years later, you cannot add onto an agreement that changes the basis of the original agreement. If that could happen you are allowing retrospective legislation, that would would Daily Mail readers indignant with rage.

Ireland when it was brought into the Union (Red saltire on a white background) were about 180 years later, so retrospective would happen again.

[folium]

..........

P.S the origins of the Haggis,some experts say that it originated in Lancashire others believe China.

Bagpipes are arguably Pakistani and kilts Greek. Gaelic is a celtic language coming from the same roots as modern sanskrit. Whiskey was first distilled in Ireland. The list is endless, but Queen Victoria's era seemed to put all that right

The UK TV show QI had a bit of a go about Scottish heritage myths, see below:

" What’s interesting about Scotland, kilts, bagpipes, haggis, porridge, whisky and tartan?

None of them are Scottish.

Scotland is named after the Scoti, a Celtic tribe from Ireland, who arrived in what the Romans called Caledonia in the fifth or sixth century AD. By the 11th century they dominated the whole of mainland Scotland. ‘Scots Gaelic’ is actually a dialect of Irish.

Kilts were invented by the Irish but word ‘kilt’ is Danish (kilte op, ‘tuck up’ )

The bagpipes are ancient and were probably invented in Central Asia. They are mentioned in the Old Testament (Daniel 3: 5, 10,15) and in Greek poetry of the 4th century BC. The Romans probably brought them to Britain but the earliest Pictish carvings date from the 8th century AD.

Haggis was an Ancient Greek sausage (Aristophanes mentions one exploding in The Clouds in 423BC).

Oat porridge has been found in the stomachs of 5,000 year old Neolithic bog bodies in central Europe and Scandinavia.

Whisky was invented in ancient China. It arrived in Ireland before Scotland, first distilled by monks. The word derives from the Irish uisge beatha, from the Latin aqua vitae or ‘water of life’.

The elaborate system of clan tartans is a complete myth stemming from the early nineteenth century. All Highland dress, including what tartan or plaid there was, was banned after the 1745 rebellion. The English garrison regiments started designing their own tartans as an affectation, and to mark the state visit of King George IV to Edinburgh in 1822. Queen Victoria encouraged the trend, and it soon became a Victorian craze. "

All a little unfair as almost all nations have their heritage tales that are largely based on myth, half-truths and blatant lies.

Excellent book about history as taught in US schools entitled "Lies my Teacher told me", and the follow up "Lies Across America" about the misleading signs, plaques and memorials telling a somewhat erroneous version of their respective stories. See below:

http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/0684818868

http://www.amazon.co... across america

So when will Caledonia seek its independence from the Irish Scots??

Continuing the theme of invented heritage and founding mythology, and being today is St Andrew's Day, taking a look at the UK's patron saints underlines this situation.

St Andrew (patron saint of Scotland) was a Palestinian (don't tell the Zionist crew) who never set foot in and probably never knew of the existence of what was then Caledonia (before the Irish Scoti turned up).

St George (patron saint of England) was an expat Greek/Palestinian (not another one!) who also never left the Middle East.

St Patrick (Ireland's boy) was English (whatever that means) and follows in the English contributions to Irish mythology such as Guinness and writing the song Danny Boy.

The only patron saint with genuine provenance is St David who was born and bred Welsh....

Edited November 30, 2012 by folium

[I Like Thai]

..........

P.S the origins of the Haggis,some experts say that it originated in Lancashire others believe China.

Bagpipes are arguably Pakistani and kilts Greek. Gaelic is a celtic language coming from the same roots as modern sanskrit. Whiskey was first distilled in Ireland. The list is endless, but Queen Victoria's era seemed to put all that right

The UK TV show QI had a bit of a go about Scottish heritage myths, see below:

" What’s interesting about Scotland, kilts, bagpipes, haggis, porridge, whisky and tartan?

None of them are Scottish.

Scotland is named after the Scoti, a Celtic tribe from Ireland, who arrived in what the Romans called Caledonia in the fifth or sixth century AD. By the 11th century they dominated the whole of mainland Scotland. ‘Scots Gaelic’ is actually a dialect of Irish.

Kilts were invented by the Irish but word ‘kilt’ is Danish (kilte op, ‘tuck up’ )

The bagpipes are ancient and were probably invented in Central Asia. They are mentioned in the Old Testament (Daniel 3: 5, 10,15) and in Greek poetry of the 4th century BC. The Romans probably brought them to Britain but the earliest Pictish carvings date from the 8th century AD.

Haggis was an Ancient Greek sausage (Aristophanes mentions one exploding in The Clouds in 423BC).

Oat porridge has been found in the stomachs of 5,000 year old Neolithic bog bodies in central Europe and Scandinavia.

Whisky was invented in ancient China. It arrived in Ireland before Scotland, first distilled by monks. The word derives from the Irish uisge beatha, from the Latin aqua vitae or ‘water of life’.

The elaborate system of clan tartans is a complete myth stemming from the early nineteenth century. All Highland dress, including what tartan or plaid there was, was banned after the 1745 rebellion. The English garrison regiments started designing their own tartans as an affectation, and to mark the state visit of King George IV to Edinburgh in 1822. Queen Victoria encouraged the trend, and it soon became a Victorian craze. "

All a little unfair as almost all nations have their heritage tales that are largely based on myth, half-truths and blatant lies.

Excellent book about history as taught in US schools entitled "Lies my Teacher told me", and the follow up "Lies Across America" about the misleading signs, plaques and memorials telling a somewhat erroneous version of their respective stories. See below:

http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/0684818868

http://www.amazon.co... across america

So when will Caledonia seek its independence from the Irish Scots??

Continuing the theme of invented heritage and founding mythology, and being today is St Andrew's Day, taking a look at the UK's patron saints underlines this situation.

St Andrew (patron saint of Scotland) was a Palestinian (don't tell the Zionist crew) who never set foot in and probably never knew of the existence of what was then Caledonia (before the Irish Scoti turned up).

St George (patron saint of England) was an expat Greek/Palestinian (not another one!) who also never left the Middle East.

St Patrick (Ireland's boy) was English (whatever that means) and follows in the English contributions to Irish mythology such as Guinness and writing the song Danny Boy.

The only patron saint with genuine provenance is St David who was born and bred Welsh....

England didn't exist then, they were still in Germany.

[phuketjock]

..........

P.S the origins of the Haggis,some experts say that it originated in Lancashire others believe China.

Bagpipes are arguably Pakistani and kilts Greek. Gaelic is a celtic language coming from the same roots as modern sanskrit. Whiskey was first distilled in Ireland. The list is endless, but Queen Victoria's era seemed to put all that right

The UK TV show QI had a bit of a go about Scottish heritage myths, see below:

" What’s interesting about Scotland, kilts, bagpipes, haggis, porridge, whisky and tartan?

None of them are Scottish.

Scotland is named after the Scoti, a Celtic tribe from Ireland, who arrived in what the Romans called Caledonia in the fifth or sixth century AD. By the 11th century they dominated the whole of mainland Scotland. ‘Scots Gaelic’ is actually a dialect of Irish.

Kilts were invented by the Irish but word ‘kilt’ is Danish (kilte op, ‘tuck up’ )

The bagpipes are ancient and were probably invented in Central Asia. They are mentioned in the Old Testament (Daniel 3: 5, 10,15) and in Greek poetry of the 4th century BC. The Romans probably brought them to Britain but the earliest Pictish carvings date from the 8th century AD.

Haggis was an Ancient Greek sausage (Aristophanes mentions one exploding in The Clouds in 423BC).

Oat porridge has been found in the stomachs of 5,000 year old Neolithic bog bodies in central Europe and Scandinavia.

Whisky was invented in ancient China. It arrived in Ireland before Scotland, first distilled by monks. The word derives from the Irish uisge beatha, from the Latin aqua vitae or ‘water of life’.

The elaborate system of clan tartans is a complete myth stemming from the early nineteenth century. All Highland dress, including what tartan or plaid there was, was banned after the 1745 rebellion. The English garrison regiments started designing their own tartans as an affectation, and to mark the state visit of King George IV to Edinburgh in 1822. Queen Victoria encouraged the trend, and it soon became a Victorian craze. "

All a little unfair as almost all nations have their heritage tales that are largely based on myth, half-truths and blatant lies.

Excellent book about history as taught in US schools entitled "Lies my Teacher told me", and the follow up "Lies Across America" about the misleading signs, plaques and memorials telling a somewhat erroneous version of their respective stories. See below:

http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/0684818868

http://www.amazon.co... across america

So when will Caledonia seek its independence from the Irish Scots??

Continuing the theme of invented heritage and founding mythology, and being today is St Andrew's Day, taking a look at the UK's patron saints underlines this situation.

St Andrew (patron saint of Scotland) was a Palestinian (don't tell the Zionist crew) who never set foot in and probably never knew of the existence of what was then Caledonia (before the Irish Scoti turned up).

St George (patron saint of England) was an expat Greek/Palestinian (not another one!) who also never left the Middle East.

St Patrick (Ireland's boy) was English (whatever that means) and follows in the English contributions to Irish mythology such as Guinness and writing the song Danny Boy.

The only patron saint with genuine provenance is St David who was born and bred Welsh....

Folium Is this you and nontabury's best shot at why Scotland should not have independance???

Sad, very sad indeed!!

[jpinx]

..........

P.S the origins of the Haggis,some experts say that it originated in Lancashire others believe China.

Bagpipes are arguably Pakistani and kilts Greek. Gaelic is a celtic language coming from the same roots as modern sanskrit. Whiskey was first distilled in Ireland. The list is endless, but Queen Victoria's era seemed to put all that right

The UK TV show QI had a bit of a go about Scottish heritage myths, see below:

" What’s interesting about Scotland, kilts, bagpipes, haggis, porridge, whisky and tartan?

None of them are Scottish.

Scotland is named after the Scoti, a Celtic tribe from Ireland, who arrived in what the Romans called Caledonia in the fifth or sixth century AD. By the 11th century they dominated the whole of mainland Scotland. ‘Scots Gaelic’ is actually a dialect of Irish.

Kilts were invented by the Irish but word ‘kilt’ is Danish (kilte op, ‘tuck up’ )

The bagpipes are ancient and were probably invented in Central Asia. They are mentioned in the Old Testament (Daniel 3: 5, 10,15) and in Greek poetry of the 4th century BC. The Romans probably brought them to Britain but the earliest Pictish carvings date from the 8th century AD.

Haggis was an Ancient Greek sausage (Aristophanes mentions one exploding in The Clouds in 423BC).

Oat porridge has been found in the stomachs of 5,000 year old Neolithic bog bodies in central Europe and Scandinavia.

Whisky was invented in ancient China. It arrived in Ireland before Scotland, first distilled by monks. The word derives from the Irish uisge beatha, from the Latin aqua vitae or ‘water of life’.

The elaborate system of clan tartans is a complete myth stemming from the early nineteenth century. All Highland dress, including what tartan or plaid there was, was banned after the 1745 rebellion. The English garrison regiments started designing their own tartans as an affectation, and to mark the state visit of King George IV to Edinburgh in 1822. Queen Victoria encouraged the trend, and it soon became a Victorian craze. "

All a little unfair as almost all nations have their heritage tales that are largely based on myth, half-truths and blatant lies.

Excellent book about history as taught in US schools entitled "Lies my Teacher told me", and the follow up "Lies Across America" about the misleading signs, plaques and memorials telling a somewhat erroneous version of their respective stories. See below:

http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/0684818868

http://www.amazon.co... across america

So when will Caledonia seek its independence from the Irish Scots??

Continuing the theme of invented heritage and founding mythology, and being today is St Andrew's Day, taking a look at the UK's patron saints underlines this situation.

St Andrew (patron saint of Scotland) was a Palestinian (don't tell the Zionist crew) who never set foot in and probably never knew of the existence of what was then Caledonia (before the Irish Scoti turned up).

St George (patron saint of England) was an expat Greek/Palestinian (not another one!) who also never left the Middle East.

St Patrick (Ireland's boy) was English (whatever that means) and follows in the English contributions to Irish mythology such as Guinness and writing the song Danny Boy.

The only patron saint with genuine provenance is St David who was born and bred Welsh....

St Andrew also represents Russia - make of that what you will

St Patrick was born in Dumbarton, so at least he was a "Scot" in some sense.

[nontabury]

PHUKETJOCK

Folium Is this you and nontabury's best shot at why Scotland should not have independance???

Sad, very sad indeed!!

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I think you need to read through this thread, if you do, you will notice I am the greatest supporter of Scottish separation,and have been for the last 50yrs. It's only this last 10 yrs that I have been joined by an increasing number of fellow English people who relies that enough is enough.If you read the opinion polls,you will notice that there is a larger percentage of English people who desire separation than there are Scott's,ask yourself WHY.

[I Like Thai]

PHUKETJOCK

Folium Is this you and nontabury's best shot at why Scotland should not have independance???

Sad, very sad indeed!!

//////////////::::::::::::://///////////

I think you need to read through this thread, if you do, you will notice I am the greatest supporter of Scottish separation,and have been for the last 50yrs. It's only this last 10 yrs that I have been joined by an increasing number of fellow English people who relies that enough is enough.If you read the opinion polls,you will notice that there is a larger percentage of English people who desire separation than there are Scott's,ask yourself WHY.

So it won't take as long to turn England into a Muslim state ?

[Thaddeus]

The only patron saint with genuine provenance is St David who was born and bred Welsh....

Was he the only gay Saint in the village.

(I'll get my coat)

[phuketjock]

PHUKETJOCK

Folium Is this you and nontabury's best shot at why Scotland should not have independance???

Sad, very sad indeed!!

//////////////::::::::::::://///////////

I think you need to read through this thread, if you do, you will notice I am the greatest supporter of Scottish separation,and have been for the last 50yrs. It's only this last 10 yrs that I have been joined by an increasing number of fellow English people who relies that enough is enough.If you read the opinion polls,you will notice that there is a larger percentage of English people who desire separation than there are Scott's,ask yourself WHY.

nontabury

If what you say is true you and your fellow English are at liberty to approach your government

and demand a referendum on independance for England but sadly it is not likely that they, your

government, would entertain your request. Now you ask yourself WHY???

[folium]

Away from silly fake heritage myths a more serious point is highlighted by Salmond's nasty little love-in with developer Donald Trump and his desire to trash one of Scotland's most magnificent stretches of coastline in order to line his and a few others pockets.

Anyone who has spent anytime in Ireland in the last 20 years can hardly fail to miss the destruction caused by cosy relationships between greedy politicians and greedy developers. So much of Ireland has been trashed as a consequence and that process now seems to be well underway in Scotland.

Take a glance at any coverage of this story or even a look at "You've been trumped", and they give an interesting insight into how the "greatest ever politician", aka Mr Salmond, operates. The similarities with Bertie Ahern are quite alarming to put it mildly.

[Scott]

When your post disappears there is a reason. The next time a deleted post is reposted, a suspension will be given.

Personal arguments are not allowed.

Stay on topic and be civil to other posters.

[phuketjock]

Away from silly fake heritage myths a more serious point is highlighted by Salmond's nasty little love-in with developer Donald Trump and his desire to trash one of Scotland's most magnificent stretches of coastline in order to line his and a few others pockets.

Anyone who has spent anytime in Ireland in the last 20 years can hardly fail to miss the destruction caused by cosy relationships between greedy politicians and greedy developers. So much of Ireland has been trashed as a consequence and that process now seems to be well underway in Scotland.

Take a glance at any coverage of this story or even a look at "You've been trumped", and they give an interesting insight into how the "greatest ever politician", aka Mr Salmond, operates. The similarities with Bertie Ahern are quite alarming to put it mildly.

And of course folium you just happened to miss the fact that the Scottish government led by Mr Salmond

recently threw out a move by Trump to stop the erection of a wind farm off the coast of his golf course!!!

Anyone can select information that supports their view but it is the whole picture that is relevant to any debate

or discussion not some one-sided byassed view like yours.

[onionluke]

Long live the establishment , and long may the ignorent wallow in poverty , in a United Kingdom or Free Republic State or let A=anarchy , freedom is education .

The peace camp . When I was a marketeier the Americans were always trying to sell me Scottish whisky at a discount , " naw sorry pal , no can do "

and hell mend ye ......

Edited December 2, 2012 by onionluke

[folium]

Away from silly fake heritage myths a more serious point is highlighted by Salmond's nasty little love-in with developer Donald Trump and his desire to trash one of Scotland's most magnificent stretches of coastline in order to line his and a few others pockets.

Anyone who has spent anytime in Ireland in the last 20 years can hardly fail to miss the destruction caused by cosy relationships between greedy politicians and greedy developers. So much of Ireland has been trashed as a consequence and that process now seems to be well underway in Scotland.

Take a glance at any coverage of this story or even a look at "You've been trumped", and they give an interesting insight into how the "greatest ever politician", aka Mr Salmond, operates. The similarities with Bertie Ahern are quite alarming to put it mildly.

And of course folium you just happened to miss the fact that the Scottish government led by Mr Salmond

recently threw out a move by Trump to stop the erection of a wind farm off the coast of his golf course!!!

Anyone can select information that supports their view but it is the whole picture that is relevant to any debate

or discussion not some one-sided byassed view like yours.

And an update on this destruction of a stunning stretch of Scottish coastline and a classic case of lies, bending over for money and an utter contempt/disregard of local opinion, and all within the "greatest ever politician's" constituency....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anthony-baxter-reviews-the-progress-of-donald-1390579

[phuketjock]

Away from silly fake heritage myths a more serious point is highlighted by Salmond's nasty little love-in with developer Donald Trump and his desire to trash one of Scotland's most magnificent stretches of coastline in order to line his and a few others pockets.

Anyone who has spent anytime in Ireland in the last 20 years can hardly fail to miss the destruction caused by cosy relationships between greedy politicians and greedy developers. So much of Ireland has been trashed as a consequence and that process now seems to be well underway in Scotland.

Take a glance at any coverage of this story or even a look at "You've been trumped", and they give an interesting insight into how the "greatest ever politician", aka Mr Salmond, operates. The similarities with Bertie Ahern are quite alarming to put it mildly.

And of course folium you just happened to miss the fact that the Scottish government led by Mr Salmond

recently threw out a move by Trump to stop the erection of a wind farm off the coast of his golf course!!!

Anyone can select information that supports their view but it is the whole picture that is relevant to any debate

or discussion not some one-sided byassed view like yours.

And an update on this destruction of a stunning stretch of Scottish coastline and a classic case of lies, bending over for money and an utter contempt/disregard of local opinion, and all within the "greatest ever politician's" constituency....

http://www.dailyreco...-donald-1390579

Daily Record 5555555555555555

[StreetCowboy]

Away from silly fake heritage myths a more serious point is highlighted by Salmond's nasty little love-in with developer Donald Trump and his desire to trash one of Scotland's most magnificent stretches of coastline in order to line his and a few others pockets.

Anyone who has spent anytime in Ireland in the last 20 years can hardly fail to miss the destruction caused by cosy relationships between greedy politicians and greedy developers. So much of Ireland has been trashed as a consequence and that process now seems to be well underway in Scotland.

Take a glance at any coverage of this story or even a look at "You've been trumped", and they give an interesting insight into how the "greatest ever politician", aka Mr Salmond, operates. The similarities with Bertie Ahern are quite alarming to put it mildly.

And of course folium you just happened to miss the fact that the Scottish government led by Mr Salmond

recently threw out a move by Trump to stop the erection of a wind farm off the coast of his golf course!!!

Anyone can select information that supports their view but it is the whole picture that is relevant to any debate

or discussion not some one-sided byassed view like yours.

And an update on this destruction of a stunning stretch of Scottish coastline and a classic case of lies, bending over for money and an utter contempt/disregard of local opinion, and all within the "greatest ever politician's" constituency....

http://www.dailyreco...-donald-1390579

Daily Record 5555555555555555

High commendation indeed for Scotland's premier tabloid. Are you agreeing, or do you have an alternate source that you favour?

SC

[phuketjock]

And of course folium you just happened to miss the fact that the Scottish government led by Mr Salmond

recently threw out a move by Trump to stop the erection of a wind farm off the coast of his golf course!!!

Anyone can select information that supports their view but it is the whole picture that is relevant to any debate

or discussion not some one-sided byassed view like yours.

And an update on this destruction of a stunning stretch of Scottish coastline and a classic case of lies, bending over for money and an utter contempt/disregard of local opinion, and all within the "greatest ever politician's" constituency....

http://www.dailyreco...-donald-1390579

Daily Record 5555555555555555

High commendation indeed for Scotland's premier tabloid. Are you agreeing, or do you have an alternate source that you favour?

SC

To give you a clue SC the number 5 translate to ha in Thai.

[folium]

Daily Record 5555555555555555

Sad that you find the rape and destruction of Scotland's coastline and the shocking treatment of local people so hilarious....

Do you think that what Salmond has allowed Trump to get away with at Menie is a positive thing for Scotland?

[7by7]

So, phuketjock, what in the report, written by Anthony Baxter; the film's director, is so funny?

Trump's despicable treatment of the local residents?

Salmond's refusal to talk to the local residents; who happen to be his constituents?

The destruction of a site of special scientific interest so rich Americans can play golf?

What?

You obviously don't care for the Daily Record; how about The Guardian?

It it extraordinary that Trump's monstrosity ever got the green light – given that planning was denied by the council on the grounds that it was unsustainable and messed with an SSSI (the decision was overturned in the Scottish government). "We've had tremendous support from environmental groups," says Trump. Of course you have – for a project that involves messing with an ancient ecosystem to build a leisure complex that will mainly be used by people who will get there by flying across the Atlantic. The Scottish Environmental Protection Agency, Scottish Natural Heritage, World Wildlife Fund, the RSPB aren't among those groups; they all vigorously opposed it.

It's not just the sand and the birds Trump interferes with, it's the people who live there and have always lived there – Michael, Molly, Susan, Finlay, David. They are bullied and intimidated, their water and power cut off. And their houses surrounded by huge mounds of sand – he's putting them in one of his bloody golf bunkers.

Edited December 2, 2012 by 7by7

[phuketjock]

Daily Record 5555555555555555

Sad that you find the rape and destruction of Scotland's coastline and the shocking treatment of local people so hilarious....

Do you think that what Salmond has allowed Trump to get away with at Menie is a positive thing for Scotland?

folium imo you have way too much faith in sensation journalism and political commentary

and your dramatic language just serves to emphasize your desparation to be right!!!

[folium]

Daily Record 5555555555555555

Sad that you find the rape and destruction of Scotland's coastline and the shocking treatment of local people so hilarious....

Do you think that what Salmond has allowed Trump to get away with at Menie is a positive thing for Scotland?

folium imo you have way too much faith in sensation journalism and political commentary

and your dramatic language just serves to emphasize your desparation to be right!!!

Nice swerve but you still have not answered the question as to whether or not you think that what has happened at Menie is good news for Scotland. Over to you....

[7by7]

And of course folium you just happened to miss the fact that the Scottish government led by Mr Salmond

recently threw out a move by Trump to stop the erection of a wind farm off the coast of his golf course!!!

No, they didn't. A decision has not yet been made.

What happened was that some objectors to the scheme have changed their minds and withdrawn their objections.

From the Ellon Times, 5/10/12.

Last week four statutory bodies confirmed they had withdrawn their objections to the proposals following discussions with the developers - a consortium of Vattenfall, Technip and Aberdeen Renewable Energy Group.

Scottish Natural Heritage (SNH), the Ministry of Defence, National Air Traffic Services (NATS) and RSPB Scotland have all now lifted their opposition to the scheme after receiving assurances over their concerns.

The objections were lifted subject to a number of conditions to minimise impacts during construction and operation.

As Salmond totally ignored objections to Trump's golf course, it is almost certain that he will ensure his mate gets his way on the wind farm as well.

So much for the SNP's renewable energy policy. Like most of Salmond's eructions; it's just hot air.