Britain, Scotland Sign Deal For Independence Referendum

[StreetCowboy]

More good news for a future independant Scotland. Is this a good argument for independance then??? what the post is

actually about!!!!!

Source:-

www.scotland.gov.uk/news

FM welcomes Scotrenewables investment

13/12/2012

First Minister Alex Salmond welcomed today at First Minister's Questions the announcement by Orkney-based Scotrenewables Tidal Power Limited that they have finalised details of a package of foreign investment worth £7.6 million.

The total investment package will fund the design, construction, installation and testing of the next generation commercial-scale Scotrenewables tidal turbine, known as the SR2000.

The private investment from overseas is in addition to a £1.24 million WATERS2 grant from the Scottish Government awarded in August this year. The public funding has helped leverage the investment from Norwegian shipping company Fred. Olsen, French oil and gas multinational Total and Swiss technology giant ABB Technology Ventures.

The arrival of the latest technology partner being announced today – ABB – complements the existing investment team and demonstrates the great confidence that leading global firms have in Scotland’s renewables industry.

First Minister Alex Salmond said:

"Scotland is blessed with some of the greatest offshore energy resources on the planet and Orkney is home to EMEC (European Marine Energy Centre), the world's leading centre for marine testing.

"Add this to our engineering and maritime expertise and our supportive investment environment and it is clear to see why Scotland's wave and tidal energy industry is leading the way in technology and innovation, delivering jobs and investment to communities across Scotland.

"Scotrenewables' announcement today of the details of their foreign investment package worth £7.6 million is terrific news and a huge vote of confidence in the Scottish offshore renewables industry. Together with the WATERS2 grant they were awarded by the Scottish Government this summer, it will allow them to finance the design, construction, installation and testing of their new-generation two-megawatt commercial-scale tidal turbine.

"This deal brings in a substantial amount of private funding from overseas - more than £6 in foreign investment for every £1 of public money. It is another example of how public money can be used to leverage private investment and help support industry to reach ever-more ambitious heights.

"I welcome this investment, which is further evidence of Scotland surging ahead in the green energy revolution."

WATERS is a collaborative venture between the Scottish Government, Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, with funding from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF). Scotrenewables was one of five marine energy developers to secure grant awards totalling £7.9 million in the WATERS 2 funding round, announced in August, to further develop testing of new wave and tidal prototypes in the seas around Scotland.

Images of Scotrenewables SR 250 (kW) tidal turbine prototype, pictured in Orkney in August this year, are available at the Scottish Government Flickr page.

How much will be on stream when Hunterston II gets decommissioned?

SC

[phuketjock]

Please be consistent.

Sometimes you say that an independent Scotland will automatically be an EU member and it cannot be otherwise, at othertimes you say that membership will have to be negotiated.

Which is it?

The answer is, of course, the latter.

I am not saying, and have never said, that an independent Scotland will be refused EU membership. What I have said, based upon the comments of the EU commission and now the EU presiodent, is that it will not be automatic and it will be on the EU's terms, not Scotland's.

To be accurate EU membership is irrelevant the thread is about independance for Scotland in 2014.

What happens after independance will very soon clear up many questions including that of EU membership

so it is a complete waste of time discussing it now!!!

Scotland will either be in the EU or it will not, I like theblether would be more than happy to be out but in is

also acceptable.

On the contrary! the more questions that can be settled between now and the Referendum,the easier it will become for the Scottish people to make up their minds,instead of relying on Politicians Party lines.

I have seen nothing on here so far but wild speculation, and wild unsubstantiated press propaganda, which

has so far failed completely to answer any serious question that has been asked except maybe the odd

poster or so with some actual knowledge which is not based on " Wickipedia " or " Google " searching.

[phuketjock]

More good news for a future independant Scotland. Is this a good argument for independance then??? what the post is

actually about!!!!!

Source:-

www.scotland.gov.uk/news

FM welcomes Scotrenewables investment

13/12/2012

First Minister Alex Salmond welcomed today at First Minister's Questions the announcement by Orkney-based Scotrenewables Tidal Power Limited that they have finalised details of a package of foreign investment worth £7.6 million.

The total investment package will fund the design, construction, installation and testing of the next generation commercial-scale Scotrenewables tidal turbine, known as the SR2000.

The private investment from overseas is in addition to a £1.24 million WATERS2 grant from the Scottish Government awarded in August this year. The public funding has helped leverage the investment from Norwegian shipping company Fred. Olsen, French oil and gas multinational Total and Swiss technology giant ABB Technology Ventures.

The arrival of the latest technology partner being announced today – ABB – complements the existing investment team and demonstrates the great confidence that leading global firms have in Scotland’s renewables industry.

First Minister Alex Salmond said:

"Scotland is blessed with some of the greatest offshore energy resources on the planet and Orkney is home to EMEC (European Marine Energy Centre), the world's leading centre for marine testing.

"Add this to our engineering and maritime expertise and our supportive investment environment and it is clear to see why Scotland's wave and tidal energy industry is leading the way in technology and innovation, delivering jobs and investment to communities across Scotland.

"Scotrenewables' announcement today of the details of their foreign investment package worth £7.6 million is terrific news and a huge vote of confidence in the Scottish offshore renewables industry. Together with the WATERS2 grant they were awarded by the Scottish Government this summer, it will allow them to finance the design, construction, installation and testing of their new-generation two-megawatt commercial-scale tidal turbine.

"This deal brings in a substantial amount of private funding from overseas - more than £6 in foreign investment for every £1 of public money. It is another example of how public money can be used to leverage private investment and help support industry to reach ever-more ambitious heights.

"I welcome this investment, which is further evidence of Scotland surging ahead in the green energy revolution."

WATERS is a collaborative venture between the Scottish Government, Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, with funding from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF). Scotrenewables was one of five marine energy developers to secure grant awards totalling £7.9 million in the WATERS 2 funding round, announced in August, to further develop testing of new wave and tidal prototypes in the seas around Scotland.

Images of Scotrenewables SR 250 (kW) tidal turbine prototype, pictured in Orkney in August this year, are available at the Scottish Government Flickr page.

How much will be on stream when Hunterston II gets decommissioned?

SC

SC what on earth are you talking about, you are aware that the article is about wave power????

[StreetCowboy]

More good news for a future independant Scotland. Is this a good argument for independance then??? what the post is

actually about!!!!!

Source:-

www.scotland.gov.uk/news

FM welcomes Scotrenewables investment

13/12/2012

First Minister Alex Salmond welcomed today at First Minister's Questions the announcement by Orkney-based Scotrenewables Tidal Power Limited that they have finalised details of a package of foreign investment worth £7.6 million.

The total investment package will fund the design, construction, installation and testing of the next generation commercial-scale Scotrenewables tidal turbine, known as the SR2000.

The private investment from overseas is in addition to a £1.24 million WATERS2 grant from the Scottish Government awarded in August this year. The public funding has helped leverage the investment from Norwegian shipping company Fred. Olsen, French oil and gas multinational Total and Swiss technology giant ABB Technology Ventures.

The arrival of the latest technology partner being announced today – ABB – complements the existing investment team and demonstrates the great confidence that leading global firms have in Scotland’s renewables industry.

First Minister Alex Salmond said:

"Scotland is blessed with some of the greatest offshore energy resources on the planet and Orkney is home to EMEC (European Marine Energy Centre), the world's leading centre for marine testing.

"Add this to our engineering and maritime expertise and our supportive investment environment and it is clear to see why Scotland's wave and tidal energy industry is leading the way in technology and innovation, delivering jobs and investment to communities across Scotland.

"Scotrenewables' announcement today of the details of their foreign investment package worth £7.6 million is terrific news and a huge vote of confidence in the Scottish offshore renewables industry. Together with the WATERS2 grant they were awarded by the Scottish Government this summer, it will allow them to finance the design, construction, installation and testing of their new-generation two-megawatt commercial-scale tidal turbine.

"This deal brings in a substantial amount of private funding from overseas - more than £6 in foreign investment for every £1 of public money. It is another example of how public money can be used to leverage private investment and help support industry to reach ever-more ambitious heights.

"I welcome this investment, which is further evidence of Scotland surging ahead in the green energy revolution."

WATERS is a collaborative venture between the Scottish Government, Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, with funding from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF). Scotrenewables was one of five marine energy developers to secure grant awards totalling £7.9 million in the WATERS 2 funding round, announced in August, to further develop testing of new wave and tidal prototypes in the seas around Scotland.

Images of Scotrenewables SR 250 (kW) tidal turbine prototype, pictured in Orkney in August this year, are available at the Scottish Government Flickr page.

How much will be on stream when Hunterston II gets decommissioned?

SC

SC what on earth are you talking about, you are aware that the article is about wave power????

One day in the near future, Hunterston II will be decommissioned. Perhaps we will import power from England then, or perhaps we will be able to provide for our own needs. 1000 MW is a lot of wind turbines or 250 kW wave turbines. What is the SNP's policy on licensing of new generation to replace Hunterston? Does the SNP consider it important that Scotland continues to export power to England?

SC

[MAJIC]

Please be consistent.

Sometimes you say that an independent Scotland will automatically be an EU member and it cannot be otherwise, at othertimes you say that membership will have to be negotiated.

Which is it?

The answer is, of course, the latter.

I am not saying, and have never said, that an independent Scotland will be refused EU membership. What I have said, based upon the comments of the EU commission and now the EU presiodent, is that it will not be automatic and it will be on the EU's terms, not Scotland's.

To be accurate EU membership is irrelevant the thread is about independance for Scotland in 2014.

What happens after independance will very soon clear up many questions including that of EU membership

so it is a complete waste of time discussing it now!!!

Scotland will either be in the EU or it will not, I like theblether would be more than happy to be out but in is

also acceptable.

On the contrary! the more questions that can be settled between now and the Referendum,the easier it will become for the Scottish people to make up their minds,instead of relying on Politicians Party lines.

I have seen nothing on here so far but wild speculation, and wild unsubstantiated press propaganda, which

has so far failed completely to answer any serious question that has been asked except maybe the odd

poster or so with some actual knowledge which is not based on " Wickipedia " or " Google " searching.

One thing is certain should there be a Yes Vote (which I very much doubt) no amount of Bravado and Rhetoric will change the fact,that there will be gains and losses on both sides of the border,make no mistake on that!

There will be no outright Winners or Losers,regardless of what biased or otherwise information is fed to the Electorate.

[theblether]

7by7,

As an ex-resident of the area that you are discussing, I have to ask myself just how much you know about the area, about the residents of the area and about the complete story as a whole.

The vast majority of residents of the area welcome Trumps development..

You mention the SSSI. Do you happen to know exactly which part of the coastline is covered by the SSSI and exactly which part of the coastline is affected by Trumps development?

Unless you can call on something a bit more trustworthy than the press who, lets face it, would sensationalise anything to sell copy, can I politely ask you to cease disseminating and regurgitating the same sensationalised crap that passes for objective journalism in the UK....

Brilliant ScotsExpat brilliant

Did you get that 7by7

So, who do we believe?

An ex resident who carefully hasn't mentioned how long ago he left?

Or the people who have lived there for many years and still do, the Scottish Wildlife Trust, Scottish Natural Heritage, RSPB Scotland etc.?

No brainer, really.

The SSSI was Foveran Links, a moving sand dome. A large part of it has been destroyed to make the back 9 of the golf course.

Yes, Trump's development was welcomed in some quarters, Aberdeen University even gave him an honoury degree for God's sake! But not by the people who have been directly affected, nor by Aberdeenshire council who rejected his plans, only to have the Scottish government overule them, nor by many conservation and environmental organisations, including the three listed above whose reports on the matter I have linked to.

Do you dismiss those reports as "sensationalised crap" ?

Don't believe the people with a vested interest.

I would give up on this circular argument 7x7, we Scots thought it was madness when the Aberdeen Council knocked back the proposal, and in the end it was rightfully overturned and the lovely new course was built. Fabulous.

[StreetCowboy]

...

One thing is certain should there be a Yes Vote (which I very much doubt) no amount of Bravado and Rhetoric will change the fact,that there will be gains and losses on both sides of the border,make no mistake on that!

There will be no outright Winners or Losers,regardless of what biased or otherwise information is fed to the Electorate.

So in essence, what you are saying is that the privilege of self-determination is worth a gamble on whatever else may consequently follow? Given that things are rarely as good as they are portrayed, that seems a fairly limited prospectus

SC

[StreetCowboy]

7by7,

As an ex-resident of the area that you are discussing, I have to ask myself just how much you know about the area, about the residents of the area and about the complete story as a whole.

The vast majority of residents of the area welcome Trumps development..

You mention the SSSI. Do you happen to know exactly which part of the coastline is covered by the SSSI and exactly which part of the coastline is affected by Trumps development?

Unless you can call on something a bit more trustworthy than the press who, lets face it, would sensationalise anything to sell copy, can I politely ask you to cease disseminating and regurgitating the same sensationalised crap that passes for objective journalism in the UK....

Brilliant ScotsExpat brilliant

Did you get that 7by7

So, who do we believe?

An ex resident who carefully hasn't mentioned how long ago he left?

Or the people who have lived there for many years and still do, the Scottish Wildlife Trust, Scottish Natural Heritage, RSPB Scotland etc.?

No brainer, really.

The SSSI was Foveran Links, a moving sand dome. A large part of it has been destroyed to make the back 9 of the golf course.

Yes, Trump's development was welcomed in some quarters, Aberdeen University even gave him an honoury degree for God's sake! But not by the people who have been directly affected, nor by Aberdeenshire council who rejected his plans, only to have the Scottish government overule them, nor by many conservation and environmental organisations, including the three listed above whose reports on the matter I have linked to.

Do you dismiss those reports as "sensationalised crap" ?

Don't believe the people with a vested interest.

I would give up on this circular argument 7x7, we Scots thought it was madness when the Aberdeen Council knocked back the proposal, and in the end it was rightfully overturned and the lovely new course was built. Fabulous.

Makes you doubt the wisdom of local or devolved government, doesn't it?

[theblether]

Who do I believe, let me think, Someone who lived there and whose family still live there, or someone whose information is completely

garnered from internet searches???

No brainer really.

So you don't believe the people who actually live on the estate?

You don't believe the Scottish Wildlife Trust?

You don't believe Scottish Natural Heritage?

You don't believe RSPB Scotland?

But you do believe the spin of a proven liar; Alex Salmond?

Up to you.

We do believe them......we don't care. End of story.

We have vast countryside and wilderness in Scotland, and the decision was made to sacrifice this little bit of turf for the economic good.

Fine......the wee birdies will just have to flit somewhere else.

[theblether]

@SC

It does make you wonder about the wisdom or relying upon local politicians making planning decisions........luckily in this case the politicians were overruled by the experts.

[StreetCowboy]

@SC

It does make you wonder about the wisdom or relying upon local politicians making planning decisions........luckily in this case the politicians were overruled by the experts.

You are joking, aren't you?

[7by7]

So the policy of the supposedly green SNP is that an American tycoon's profits are more important than conserving a unique natural environment and the rights of local residents who have been bullied and threatened in attempts to force them to leave.

Thank you, theblether, for making that clear.

One SSSI desecrated, how many more will the SNP sacrifice so Americans can make money?

[MAJIC]

...

One thing is certain should there be a Yes Vote (which I very much doubt) no amount of Bravado and Rhetoric will change the fact,that there will be gains and losses on both sides of the border,make no mistake on that!

There will be no outright Winners or Losers,regardless of what biased or otherwise information is fed to the Electorate.

So in essence, what you are saying is that the privilege of self-determination is worth a gamble on whatever else may consequently follow? Given that things are rarely as good as they are portrayed, that seems a fairly limited prospectus

SC

It all comes down to how badly the people want self governance? from all polls to date,it would seem it may not be desired enough,to gamble a comfortable life,on what in essence is unknown. Opinions of course may change in the next two years,when more information has been clarified,and analysed one way or the other,and agreements reached. A yes decision,would most probably be irrevocable,so there is no room for mistaken beliefs,or wooly mindedness.

[phuketjock]

There appears to be some grand misconceptions displayed on this thread.

Independance for Scotland is not about winning or losing, It is about the right

of the Scottish people to govern there own country sink or swim.

When that day comes, and I believe it will, I am more than confident the Scottish

people can and will rise to the occasion, and rise well thank you!!!!!

[phuketjock]

...

One thing is certain should there be a Yes Vote (which I very much doubt) no amount of Bravado and Rhetoric will change the fact,that there will be gains and losses on both sides of the border,make no mistake on that!

There will be no outright Winners or Losers,regardless of what biased or otherwise information is fed to the Electorate.

So in essence, what you are saying is that the privilege of self-determination is worth a gamble on whatever else may consequently follow? Given that things are rarely as good as they are portrayed, that seems a fairly limited prospectus

SC

It all comes down to how badly the people want self governance? from all polls to date,it would seem it may not be desired enough,to gamble a comfortable life,on what in essence is unknown. Opinions of course may change in the next two years,when more information has been clarified,and analysed one way or the other,and agreements reached. A yes decision,would most probably be irrevocable,so there is no room for mistaken beliefs,or wooly mindedness.

Yet more speculative nonsense on what premise can you possible state " a yes decision would probably be irrevocable "

Absolute rubbish.

[StreetCowboy]

There appears to be some grand misconceptions displayed on this thread.

Independance for Scotland is not about winning or losing, It is about the right

of the Scottish people to govern there own country sink or swim.

When that day comes, and I believe it will, I am more than confident the Scottish

people can and will rise to the occasion, and rise well thank you!!!!!

We can govern our own country as voters within the United Kingdom. The vote is about our parochial prejudice against the English, and perhaps an admission from the socialists that they will never be able to convince the English of their case, so best to limit their ambitions to the peripheries of Europe - an interesting suggestion, given the comparative politics of the UK and the more central European nations.

SC

[StreetCowboy]

...

Yet more speculative nonsense on what premise can you possible state " a yes decision would probably be irrevocable "

Absolute rubbish.

Has the British government confirmed the terms under which we might be readmitted to the Union?

How much humble pie would we be required to eat?

Would it be short crust, or would we be forced to eat flaky puff pastry?

SC

[phuketjock]

There appears to be some grand misconceptions displayed on this thread.

Independance for Scotland is not about winning or losing, It is about the right

of the Scottish people to govern there own country sink or swim.

When that day comes, and I believe it will, I am more than confident the Scottish

people can and will rise to the occasion, and rise well thank you!!!!!

We can govern our own country as voters within the United Kingdom. The vote is about our parochial prejudice against the English, and perhaps an admission from the socialists that they will never be able to convince the English of their case, so best to limit their ambitions to the peripheries of Europe - an interesting suggestion, given the comparative politics of the UK and the more central European nations.

SC

As the scotsman that I believe you are I find it incredible that you would ever consider that

the people of Scotland would even think about any predudice against the English when a

decision as important as the future of our nation was involved.

The English do not merit a thought when compared to the future of Scotland.

I find it hard to believe that you are a United supporter!!!

[theblether]

@SC

It does make you wonder about the wisdom or relying upon local politicians making planning decisions........luckily in this case the politicians were overruled by the experts.

You are joking, aren't you?

No.....that's why we have the appeals system in place in Scotland for planning decisions. It's long been accepted by convention that local decisions can be referred to the Scottish Secretary, I believe there will be a similar appeals system in England.

In many cases the Scottish Secretary will support the council decision, and in others he will overturn it, on advisement from the Scottish Office planning experts. If need be some cases can then be taken for judicial review.

The planning system in Scotland is very robust, I find it bizarre and ridiculous that anyone things that AS jimmied this application through, i fact I honestly believe that anyone who believes that must be......

Joking.

[phuketjock]

More good news for a future independant Scotland. Is this a good argument for independance then??? what the post is

actually about!!!!!

Source:-

www.scotland.gov.uk/news

FM welcomes Scotrenewables investment

13/12/2012

First Minister Alex Salmond welcomed today at First Minister's Questions the announcement by Orkney-based Scotrenewables Tidal Power Limited that they have finalised details of a package of foreign investment worth £7.6 million.

The total investment package will fund the design, construction, installation and testing of the next generation commercial-scale Scotrenewables tidal turbine, known as the SR2000.

The private investment from overseas is in addition to a £1.24 million WATERS2 grant from the Scottish Government awarded in August this year. The public funding has helped leverage the investment from Norwegian shipping company Fred. Olsen, French oil and gas multinational Total and Swiss technology giant ABB Technology Ventures.

The arrival of the latest technology partner being announced today – ABB – complements the existing investment team and demonstrates the great confidence that leading global firms have in Scotland’s renewables industry.

First Minister Alex Salmond said:

"Scotland is blessed with some of the greatest offshore energy resources on the planet and Orkney is home to EMEC (European Marine Energy Centre), the world's leading centre for marine testing.

"Add this to our engineering and maritime expertise and our supportive investment environment and it is clear to see why Scotland's wave and tidal energy industry is leading the way in technology and innovation, delivering jobs and investment to communities across Scotland.

"Scotrenewables' announcement today of the details of their foreign investment package worth £7.6 million is terrific news and a huge vote of confidence in the Scottish offshore renewables industry. Together with the WATERS2 grant they were awarded by the Scottish Government this summer, it will allow them to finance the design, construction, installation and testing of their new-generation two-megawatt commercial-scale tidal turbine.

"This deal brings in a substantial amount of private funding from overseas - more than £6 in foreign investment for every £1 of public money. It is another example of how public money can be used to leverage private investment and help support industry to reach ever-more ambitious heights.

"I welcome this investment, which is further evidence of Scotland surging ahead in the green energy revolution."

WATERS is a collaborative venture between the Scottish Government, Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, with funding from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF). Scotrenewables was one of five marine energy developers to secure grant awards totalling £7.9 million in the WATERS 2 funding round, announced in August, to further develop testing of new wave and tidal prototypes in the seas around Scotland.

Images of Scotrenewables SR 250 (kW) tidal turbine prototype, pictured in Orkney in August this year, are available at the Scottish Government Flickr page.

How much will be on stream when Hunterston II gets decommissioned?

SC

SC what on earth are you talking about, you are aware that the article is about wave power????

One day in the near future, Hunterston II will be decommissioned. Perhaps we will import power from England then, or perhaps we will be able to provide for our own needs. 1000 MW is a lot of wind turbines or 250 kW wave turbines. What is the SNP's policy on licensing of new generation to replace Hunterston? Does the SNP consider it important that Scotland continues to export power to England?

SC

No problem SC the wind farm off Trumps golf course will be on line by then

Scotland will be exporting power to England long after you and I are gone.!!

[theblether]

...

Yet more speculative nonsense on what premise can you possible state " a yes decision would probably be irrevocable "

Absolute rubbish.

Has the British government confirmed the terms under which we might be readmitted to the Union?

How much humble pie would we be required to eat?

Would it be short crust, or would we be forced to eat flaky puff pastry?

SC

It'll never happen, don't fret about the quality of the pastries.

[phuketjock]

@SC

It does make you wonder about the wisdom or relying upon local politicians making planning decisions........luckily in this case the politicians were overruled by the experts.

You are joking, aren't you?

No.....that's why we have the appeals system in place in Scotland for planning decisions. It's long been accepted by convention that local decisions can be referred to the Scottish Secretary, I believe there will be a similar appeals system in England.

In many cases the Scottish Secretary will support the council decision, and in others he will overturn it, on advisement from the Scottish Office planning experts. If need be some cases can then be taken for judicial review.

The planning system in Scotland is very robust, I find it bizarre and ridiculous that anyone things that AS jimmied this application through, i fact I honestly believe that anyone who believes that must be......

Joking.

Just illustrates my point real knowledge beats Google anytime

[theblether]

SC should know better, he's Scottish and I believe he knows how the planning system works.

[StreetCowboy]

...

No problem SC the wind farm off Trumps golf course will be on line by then

Scotland will be exporting power to England long after you and I are gone.!!

One can't argue with faith.

Personally, when it comes to politics, my faith extends a fingers' length from my sweaty palm

Who amongst us trusts Alex Salmond beyond the third knuckle?

SC

[theblether]

...

No problem SC the wind farm off Trumps golf course will be on line by then

Scotland will be exporting power to England long after you and I are gone.!!

One can't argue with faith.

Personally, when it comes to politics, my faith extends a fingers' length from my sweaty palm

Who amongst us trusts Alex Salmond beyond the third knuckle?

SC

Me.

[phuketjock]

...

No problem SC the wind farm off Trumps golf course will be on line by then

Scotland will be exporting power to England long after you and I are gone.!!

One can't argue with faith.

Personally, when it comes to politics, my faith extends a fingers' length from my sweaty palm

Who amongst us trusts Alex Salmond beyond the third knuckle?

SC

Me.

I can't say I trust any politician blether but I have to say as far as it goes he has been the

only one so far to bring our nation anywhere close to the independance we need, and I

really do believe Scotland needs and will flourish when it comes.

[StreetCowboy]

...

...

Has the British government confirmed the terms under which we might be readmitted to the Union?

How much humble pie would we be required to eat?

Would it be short crust, or would we be forced to eat flaky puff pastry?

SC

It'll never happen, don't fret about the quality of the pastries.

There's plenty in Bedlam would question your faith.

Personally, I'm not bothered. I have a choice. But a few amongst the 15% of my countrymen may not, and my find themselves irretreivably mired in whatever they and their countryfolk vote for.

SC

[folium]

Does anybody have any uip to date polling data on the question of Scottish independence?

Last time it seemed Salmond had a long way to go re convincing the electorate.....

[elliss]

Who knows what the rules are for getting onto the electoral roll? What's the "residency"· requirement, and what proof of what do you need to show in your own name? Will a POBox number do?

rule one, you need to pay poll tax / community tax.

rule two, you need a uk residency address.

times they are a changing.

[7by7]

No problem SC the wind farm off Trumps golf course will be on line by then

Not according to Trump; who is now quoted as saying he is confident it wont get built due to lack of funding.

I wonder who gave him that idea.