How Many Users Can Use A Tot Tower

[Pormax]

In my village (where up to now) the only way to get internet access was to have a large outside ariel and pick up the CAT

signal from the nearest tower 20+kms away. Now with the supposedly ending of CAT CDMA I have to look for an alternative.

Recently TOT has erected a large Tower in the grounds of the temple about 1km away from me.

10 users paid a substantial amount of money to get TOT to install this tower and run wiring to the 10 houses.

My questions are;

1. Is there a limit to how many users can use one tower

2. As I am about 250 metres away from the nearest house with the TOT connection, I anticipate it will be costly to get TOT to run

wire to my house, would I be able to get a WI Fi connection from this tower.

I am going into the TOT office soon but my past experience is that they are not very helpful so would prefer to go in with some idea of what I can or cannot ask for.

[Crossy]

We are using the TOT wireless solution which is what I believe has been installed for your village (I could well be wrong mind) http://www.thaivisa....nyone-using-it/

I understand that there is a maximum of 6 users per access point, but any number of APs can go on a tower, total bandwidth is limited by whatever the link to the backbone can handle.

[Pormax]

We are using the TOT wireless solution which is what I believe has been installed for your village (I could well be wrong mind) http://www.thaivisa....nyone-using-it/

I understand that there is a maximum of 6 users per access point, but any number of APs can go on a tower, total bandwidth is limited by whatever the link to the backbone can handle.

Thanks 'Crossy' for you reply. Have sent you a PM (I think, not sure how this works though)

If you do not get I will do a reply here.

[lomatopo]

It doesn't sound as though TOT as deployed Wi-NET on this new tower, as you mention "...run wiring to the 10 houses".

I guess I would ask someone, or TOT, exactly what type of network topology/technology they have implemented. It could likely be extended to your home, or maybe you could implement a P2P WiFi connection from the nearest neighbor and share their connection/and cost?

And yes, definitely ask about Wireless broadband, AKA Wi-NET.

The "short-straw", or bottleneck, in these types of topologies is the back-haul capacity, which may be limited to a single 2 Mbps microwave link, which may also be shared with other applications, like voice.

[Pormax]

It doesn't sound as though TOT as deployed Wi-NET on this new tower, as you mention "...run wiring to the 10 houses".

I guess I would ask someone, or TOT, exactly what type of network topology/technology they have implemented. It could likely be extended to your home, or maybe you could implement a P2P WiFi connection from the nearest neighbor and share their connection/and cost?

And yes, definitely ask about Wireless broadband, AKA Wi-NET.

The "short-straw", or bottleneck, in these types of topologies is the back-haul capacity, which may be limited to a single 2 Mbps microwave link, which may also be shared with other applications, like voice.

Thanks for your reply, appreciated.

Yes I agree think Wi Fi not available fom the mast.

Not being very technicaly minded not understand how one can 'implement a P2P WIFI connection from neaest neighbour' works.

Can you explain please.

Nearest neighbour is appox 250mtrs away. They have a white TOT box which they say can be connected to 4 computers..

[Crossy]

Duh, somehow I missed the '10 wires' comment, age catching up I suppose.

Either way, now you have a local tower and its associated link into the backbone you should be able to get a TOT connection of some form.

[lomatopo]

how one can 'implement a P2P WIFI connection from neaest neighbour' works.

Can you explain please.

Nearest neighbour is appox 250mtrs away. They have a white TOT box which they say can be connected to 4 computers..

You would extend the Local area network in your neighbor's home to yours. There are many, many different ways to do this, and there have a been a number of threads here with detailed, first-hand experiences, along with a list of equipemnt and local sources. A search would yield valuable information, perhaps?

One example:

[Guest]

As I was asking stupid questions on the other thread and tried to find more information of the technology used, noted this.

http://forum.ubnt.com/showthread.php?t=23526

- AirMax eliminates the issues of hidden node. This is a huge benefit and allows the scaling of many more clients per access point then when using 802.11 CSMA. This allows us to achieve upwards of 120 clients per AP without sacraficing AP performance.

So the Access point (I suppose this means the AP on the tower) itself can handle quite a lot of clients. Uplink speed to the core network and to the Internet is divided between connected clients.

I don't really know what is the maximum connection speed which AP can deliver (and divided between the clients) . Somewhere I read that it would be 150Mbps true TCP/IP traffic.. but maybe that's for some specific model and operating spectrum?

[lomatopo]

Not sure if that's Point-to-multipoint? or Point-to-point?

And 150 Mbps might under best-case scenarios?

I was under the impression TOT was speccing four customers per AP, not sure how many APs the can/want to put on a tower.

I assume there is no governmental authority "managing" this spectrum?

[Guest]

I don't know too.

But 2.4GHz and 5GHz spectrums should be free to use without licenses almost everywhere in the world? That's why those are used for wifi, bluetooth etc. And of course microwave oven to make H20 to party

[lomatopo]

I don't know too.

But 2.4GHz and 5GHz spectrums should be free to use without licenses almost everywhere in the world? That's why those are used for wifi, bluetooth etc. And of course microwave oven to make H20 to party

Understood, but those applications are contained in relatively small spaces, like a home, rather than being beamed across 50 Km.

[Pormax]

I am posting the results of my trip to the local TOT office re my initial opening thread.

Surprisingly this time they were quite helpful.

Anyway the mast recently put up in the temple can only take multiples of 10 users.

The mast is not the problem but the box they attach to it, I am technically minded but i presume that this is an AP..

Anyway my wife has to go around the village and hopefully find another 10 households that would like internet connection.

If this can be done then TOT will come alongto connect in approx 2 months.

The costs for wiring from mast to house would be the first 500 metres free then 5Baht a meter.other costs are about 4,500B

to be shared amongst the new users.

Not too hopeful she can find another 9 people as this is a very small village and while an arguement is that the internet is almost a must for school children now and it would save the children a 40km round trip to an internet cafe, one of the original 10 TOT users has started to build an internet cafe in the village. So I don't think they will be too pleased having more households with internet facilities.

My other option is WIFI and as I am less than 5 kms from the nearest tower with an anttenae that gives out this signal, it should not be too much of a problem,

I would need a an aerial on the roof of my house.

The cost quoted for the above plus WIFI installation = 18,000B then 890B a month for up to 8/1MBP

While I was in TOT another Farang (German I believe) came into enquire about a connection to TOT, he comes from a nearby village.

Told he could not be connected as the mast was 'full' now with 2 lots of 12 users. Not understand why their AP can have 12 users and our village only 10. Must have different AP for the number of people.

Anyway hope some find the information useful especially if CAT CDM users as they might soon be left with no connection if they bin this service, which I understand is likely though CAT won't confirm this.