Farang Negatitivity Towards Rich Farang In Thailand

[watcharacters]

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I have to give you this only because you need an aid to bring yourself down a bit if what you say is true. You've tried to big yourself up a lot and that's not wise to do on this board or LOS

maybe you should endeavor to be more like a quiet American if that's possible. or better yet "The Quiet American" which I think is an outstanding film with good setting and possibly historical authenticity.

good luck to you no matter you decide to do.

[watcharacters]

I normally only respond to people who publically boast about their wealth who, in my experience usually don't come near to their boasts. I have friends who are earning $2,500 a day (serious) in legitimate employment and would never make that information public.

As for the necessity to the wealthy being shown respect, would you, in this hypothetical example, show respect to K. Somchai who smuggles 100K of meth a month into the country and gets it onto the streets?

I will guarantee K. Somchai is making more money than you ever would, but would you respect him or show him respect?

I'm trying to recall a thread about someone getting a Thai citizenship where a poster said he has a "LOT" of friends who earn from ฿ 600,000 to ฿800,000 a month. I think the boasting on any forum has no limit. Maybe LSD has come back into vogue. LOL

[chiangmaikelly]

I normally only respond to people who publically boast about their wealth who, in my experience usually don't come near to their boasts. I have friends who are earning $2,500 a day (serious) in legitimate employment and would never make that information public.

As for the necessity to the wealthy being shown respect, would you, in this hypothetical example, show respect to K. Somchai who smuggles 100K of meth a month into the country and gets it onto the streets?

I will guarantee K. Somchai is making more money than you ever would, but would you respect him or show him respect?

I'm trying to recall a thread about someone getting a Thai citizenship where a poster said he has a "LOT" of friends who earn from ฿ 600,000 to ฿800,000 a month. I think the boasting on any forum has no limit. Maybe LSD has come back into vogue. LOL

Is that the same guy building 38 houses?

[chrisrazz]

Interesting subject this. I think OP has it wrong that Thais respect wealth or the wealthy. My personal opinion is that there are a number of character traits within Thai culture. It has a lot do with history and the way society has been structured. The rich and powerful have basically run the country since Thais arrived from china. The indigenous people's of Thailand being freed from Khmer slave status when the Thai came, yet, the power balance never changed. the traits of jealousy and greed are plainly apparent. An example of jealousy: neighbour finds a 'rich' foreigner, so, I'm off to Phuket to get one. Meets an old fart, while still married to a Thai who is working his nuts off in Taiwan, hubby comes home, wife demands all his income otherwise she's off to get a foreigner (already having done so) husband says no. In the meantime this lady has told anyone who listens how rich her foreigner is and how she is going to be the richest in the village, needless to say how humble her pie is now.

Greed. Not too hard to illustrate as it is everywhere wherever you find a uniform, teachers, government officials, police, military, politicians. Corruption is endemic, the current pollies are really just arguing about who are the most corrupt.

In order for ordinary Thais to get anywhere with any level of government they have to be patient and show respect, the important word is show. Ordinary Thais have for years, and continue to have their so called betters ram it down their throats. For rural types the need to borrow from agricultural suppliers the fertiliser etc needed to grow a crop also requires a show of respect.

Real respect is shown to monks, elderly family members, relatives and friends.

As far as I'm concerned, who you are is an accident of birth, this does not as a neccessity make you superior or inferior. Respect is to earned it is not a given.

[Kilgore Trout]

You said the word "farang" 12 times in your post, why you feel the need to do that eludes me.

What bothers me about "some" "westerners" with a lot of money is they expect to be treated by other "westerners" the same as Thais treat rich Thais.

For me, an a@@ h*le is an a@@ h*le whether he/she is poor or rich and deserves to be treated as such.

Also, people should live within reasonable means, if you go around flashing wealth than people will think you are a jerk, at least where I am from.

Edited November 30, 2012 by Kilgore Trout

[seefaonuma]

I agree that we go to the wrong way , people respect money than other thing , the media show this everyday .

I used to talk with my father about this too , worry that our next generation will respect only money .

My father said : don't worry our social on the process of learning , changing is fast here in Thailand now is the time of adaptation .

A hundred year ago we only slave , woman cannot learn , only few government staff rule the country , Thai people do not know the word " right " If compare now and pass , now is much better .

May be the next hundred year we completely accept that sufficiency economy theory is the best and people is equal .

I belive that many people in thailand still respect in goodness than money

But sometime they have to show that they respect rich people because they are in service job , sometime it good for theirs job .

[MrHammer]

As far as I am concerned I do not give a toss how rich or how poor a person is. It is their attitude that earns or loses my respect.

Many rich people are down to earth and many are snobs or simply like to flaunt it to the detriment of others. It is the down to eart ones I prefer.

And I will never ever bow down or kow tow to anyone who is financially wealthy simply because they are wealthy.

You do get trolls on here talking of having XXX million pounds and how am on earth are they going to survive in Thailand on £50K per week.

Lets be real, the lower class, salt of the land people, are usually worse company than wealthy people. So much jealousy, rage and stupidity, which of course is why they are poor in the first place.

[cobra]

... Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,

I'm a woman's man, no time to talk...

Ok, I'm wearing Cobra skin boots, gold nugget watch band, I smell really good, ...

Yes, lesser farangs are immediately intimidated, I've tipped a 1000b on a 500b tab,

just bought the bar a round on the way out, my driver is waiting down the street, ...

But I just don't feel the love or respect from you poor sods, you obviously can see the locals love and admire me,

well your girlfriend certainly does,

But with you under-pensioned, cash challenged pedestrian farangs, I get no respect at all I tell ya, no respect.

[Tiger7Moth]

I think I am a good example of an outright bitter and envious towards any Farang that mentions how they are above the normal farang wealth level in Thailand. And I call most posters without at least 11 posts who post obvious troll posts; trolls. Hope that helps.

Why are you bitter and envious? I would have always thought Thai people would be bitter and envious but when I talk to them, they are so accepting of thie position in life and really feel there is so little they can do to change it. With farnags, they have evey opportunity in the world and you might think they would admire another farang who worked hard and was able to rise above the general level, as we are taught to respect hard work and dedication.

What does 10 posts have to do with being a troll? So if I had 10,000 posts and lived my life on ThaiVisa, that in some way gives me more credibility?

Here is your problem: "admire another farang who worked hard and was able to rise above the general level". You are under the impression you are above others and deserve admiration. Every day I see 50 year old Thai women up at 3am in order to cook the food that they will try to sell for a few baht while walking the streets and pushing their carts. Do you think you worked harder than they do? So, what is the reason you feel you deserve admiration? Had you been born in a remote village in Thailand with an absent father who provided no financial support (very common) and had had limited education (I know one woman, now 29 years old, who was taken out of school at the age of 8 and put to work), would you have been so successful financially?

Is the person with $1 more than you above you and deserving of more admiration?

You and your attitude is the problem, not Thaivisa members.

[JurgenG]

As far as I am concerned I do not give a toss how rich or how poor a person is. It is their attitude that earns or loses my respect.

Many rich people are down to earth and many are snobs or simply like to flaunt it to the detriment of others. It is the down to eart ones I prefer.

And I will never ever bow down or kow tow to anyone who is financially wealthy simply because they are wealthy.

You do get trolls on here talking of having XXX million pounds and how am on earth are they going to survive in Thailand on £50K per week.

Lets be real, the lower class, salt of the land people, are usually worse company than wealthy people. So much jealousy, rage and stupidity, which of course is why they are poor in the first place.

And they are so loud and annoying, just look below you ....

[humblefalang]

so what equates to rich or poor.. I earn 100k per month.. Am i in the poor or rich band?

If it's 100k in US dollars, I would say rich.

If it's 100k in Thai Baht, I would say poor.

how can 100K baht be poor

it all depends of your life style. i would say/ but then again youi would that your income defines your life style

Edited December 5, 2012 by tombkk
: Personal attack and profanity deleted.

[anon210]

The OP seems to have a contradiction in his initial post...

I personally treat others equally in Thailand regardless of their wealth....I respect another based on who they are as a person and not due to their money or lack of it. When I encounter someone (Thai or farang) for the first time, I automatically assume they are a good person until proven otherwise.

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If you agree with this aspect of respect by one Thai towards another Thai of substantial wealth, then why do so many farang living in Thailand not display that same level of admiration towards other farang (or Thai) with a high net worth?

It is not very clear whether you are expecting to be treated as any other person (which you will be, if you don't need to talk only about yourself), or whether you are expecting "admiration".

While, someone who managed through efforts and hard work to get a nice position in life can be respected and appreciated, if he continues living and treating his fellow men with equal respect, someone who thinks he must command admiration, just because of material wealth, surely will incite rejection. Material success should be a source of satisfaction per se, no need for others to admire you. Conversely, respect is generally given to people who know to respect. I guess that answers the gist of your post.

[bunta71]

Mitt? Is that you Mitt Rmoney???

[geriatrickid]

I don't want your respect, love or admiration. All I want is for the server in the restaurant to take my order in a timely manner and to serve the food properly. I just want the driver to take me from point A to point B so that I arrive safely and not have to be a "farang" fare. I just want the appliance I purchase to last more than a month. I want to be able to take ashower without fear of electrocution. When I walk down Bangla, I don't want to be accosted by touts with trying to sell me a picture with a suffering tortured slow loris, or to step on a live wire, and I want the cops to be crime fighters, not the criminals.

[payak]

I don't want your respect, love or admiration. All I want is for the server in the restaurant to take my order in a timely manner and to serve the food properly. I just want the driver to take me from point A to point B so that I arrive safely and not have to be a "farang" fare. I just want the appliance I purchase to last more than a month. I want to be able to take ashower without fear of electrocution. When I walk down Bangla, I don't want to be accosted by touts with trying to sell me a picture with a suffering tortured slow loris, or to step on a live wire, and I want the cops to be crime fighters, not the criminals.

sounds fair, but on here it will get attacked by most.

somehow, and why I don't know,

[Briggsy]

The Thai version of Buddhism is almost unique in the world's major religions in that both in practice and to a lesser extent in theory it connects wealth with virtue. This is a reflection of their culture as you observed in your opening post.

[inthepink]

Your post is a reflection of how little you know about Theravada Buddhism but I am guessing this is a subject on which ThaiVisa does not invite discussion.

Edited December 4, 2012 by inthepink

[payak]

Your post is a reflection of how little you know about Theravada Buddhism but I am guessing this is a subject on which ThaiVisa does not invite discussion.

exactly, some thai people misunderstand the religion, nothing to do with wealth.

[tombkk]

Your post is a reflection of how little you know about Theravada Buddhism but I am guessing this is a subject on which ThaiVisa does not invite discussion.

Incorrect. Feel free to participate in the Buddhism subforum.

[cgphuket]

Don't worry about your vast wealth making you different in Yhailand. You likely won't have it for very long once you come. The wealthy farang who think they are "above it all" are the first once targeted here.

[NeverSure]

Bjbkk,

Your perception of the Brits couldn't be further from the truth that my experience being a Brit. If you flaunt it in the faces of those that don't have it, it would be likely to result in vandalism, violence or just verbal abuse. It would very rarely go without some kind of backlash.

snip -

Oh really. I saw the Royal Wedding, sir. Gorgeous woman, that Kate. She'll make the Brits proud and put even more beauty into the royal blood. I think I did see a wee bit o' money a flowin' though.

[Jigger]

so what equates to rich or poor.. I earn 100k per month.. Am i in the poor or rich band?

on the verge of poor imo.

[inthepink]

Your post is a reflection of how little you know about Theravada Buddhism but I am guessing this is a subject on which ThaiVisa does not invite discussion.

Incorrect. Feel free to participate in the Buddhism subforum.

Thanks, my mistake.

[thaibeachlovers]

I think I am a good example of an outright bitter and envious towards any Farang that mentions how they are above the normal farang wealth level in Thailand. And I call most posters without at least 11 posts who post obvious troll posts; trolls. Hope that helps.

Why are you bitter and envious? I would have always thought Thai people would be bitter and envious but when I talk to them, they are so accepting of thie position in life and really feel there is so little they can do to change it. With farnags, they have evey opportunity in the world and you might think they would admire another farang who worked hard and was able to rise above the general level, as we are taught to respect hard work and dedication.

What does 10 posts have to do with being a troll? So if I had 10,000 posts and lived my life on ThaiVisa, that in some way gives me more credibility?

Thais are mainly Buddhists, and believe that if they are good, they'll come back on a higher level, so it's just a case of waiting for the next life to be a hiso themselves.

At the moment in the west ( if you happened to be asleep the last few years and missed it ) the rich greedy people stuffed it for everyone else, so poor people hate them. You obviously missed Obama's campaign against the 1%!

I don't know how it is in Canada, but in my home country, when I was growing up, people were mostly equal and few were "rich".

Furthermore, had someone been a "skite" about being "rich", they'd probably have got their face punched in. We didn't like boasters.

[thaibeachlovers]

I think I am a good example of an outright bitter and envious towards any Farang that mentions how they are above the normal farang wealth level in Thailand. And I call most posters without at least 11 posts who post obvious troll posts; trolls. Hope that helps.

Why are you bitter and envious? I would have always thought Thai people would be bitter and envious but when I talk to them, they are so accepting of thie position in life and really feel there is so little they can do to change it. With farnags, they have evey opportunity in the world and you might think they would admire another farang who worked hard and was able to rise above the general level, as we are taught to respect hard work and dedication.

What does 10 posts have to do with being a troll? So if I had 10,000 posts and lived my life on ThaiVisa, that in some way gives me more credibility?

Here is your problem: "admire another farang who worked hard and was able to rise above the general level". You are under the impression you are above others and deserve admiration. Every day I see 50 year old Thai women up at 3am in order to cook the food that they will try to sell for a few baht while walking the streets and pushing their carts. Do you think you worked harder than they do? So, what is the reason you feel you deserve admiration? Had you been born in a remote village in Thailand with an absent father who provided no financial support (very common) and had had limited education (I know one woman, now 29 years old, who was taken out of school at the age of 8 and put to work), would you have been so successful financially?

Is the person with $1 more than you above you and deserving of more admiration?

You and your attitude is the problem, not Thaivisa members.

Good post.

I admire people for what they are, not how much money they have.

[mattjenson]

Members do fire from the hip, many read and see what at first glance irritates them. And after years of irritation they lean towards a quick irritated response.

[Potosi]

Liking or disliking rich Thais, well. What sort of society do we find in Thailand? A good method to define it is to look at the values. From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia....itical_spectrum

• Socialists (socialism) — Freedom ranked 1st, Equality ranked 2nd
  
• Hitler (nazism) - Freedom ranked 16th, Equality ranked 17th
  
• Goldwater (capitalism) — Freedom ranked 1st, Equality ranked 16th
  
• Lenin (communism) — Freedom ranked 17th, Equality ranked 1st
  

[MAJIC]

Bjbkk,

Your perception of the Brits couldn't be further from the truth that my experience being a Brit. If you flaunt it in the faces of those that don't have it, it would be likely to result in vandalism, violence or just verbal abuse. It would very rarely go without some kind of backlash.

Going to a local pub as a big 'I am' is a huuuugggeeee mistake.

More likely they would find that people avoided them,wealthy or not! no one likes to listen to a Prat who flaunts his/her wealth,a Taboo subject in civilised cultures.

[MAJIC]

real shocker OP only has 10 posts.

Cash Rich, TV Cultural experience,poor then,his money is no use here

[amiew]

In my experience, when someone starts a conversation talking about how much money they have, they are very insecure and needing attention. I am poor by western standards, and I have the respect of rich, poor, famous and a few infamous people because of the way I live my life. I don't look up to the rich ones because they are rich, and they don't expect it. I have knowledge and experience that is valuable to them. Plus, I'm just a very nice person. If I was rich, I wouldn't talk about it, in fact, if I came into a huge amount of money today, I would give most of it away.

Do people worship you in Canada because of your money? You know, of course, that western culture has its values all screwed up. That's one reason I want out of here.